Finally, I mean really. It looks great @Wynne and I'm glad to see all your hard work coming together offically. You guys have been doing a great job at this for so long. Good luck, cant wait to see you continue the story.
As some of the others have said I would like to see the road connected and 2 entrances, however with your proposal to remove the fence I think that almost a non issue. As said by @Aristocrat I think it looks very corporate and I dont think it's far fetched to think a group with your man power and resources could set something like this up. I also like the location, as livonia seems to be very centralized in just a few places right now. As far as the RP goes, I dont think it's fair to speculate on that until we see whether or not RP happens there, but I will say I'm not worried about it considering the high quality RP I've recieved from your group whenever I encounter them.
Had just the opposite experence about 15 mins ago. Held up, but so much more then a 'handsupordie give me all your stuff' experence. Several people involved and they all brought awesome, and different RP to the table. Cool to see how they worked things out and actually created a story between everyone involved rather than just robbing and killing because they could. Really fun, thanks to everyone who was there, keep up the good work.
@Para There as been a good amount of hostility between Umbra and The 5.0.3 since we've been around. I will try my best to cover what I can from looking through my discord logs. What I can cover for certain is the last 30 days:
February 24th - @TegsBenedict and @JoeRogan kidnap @Jadeziggygirl, a 5.0.3 captive, outside of Zaleise in Livonia. When move her to Chernarus, and decide to stay ourselves as well. Not sure this counts but it would have pissed them off.
March 2nd - @Wynne and @Vandire attack Kopa prison in Livonia with several other groups. The party Umbra members were a part of initiate here.
March 4th - An offline raid occurs in Kopa prison involving @Wynne and @Vandire
March 23rd - Umbra executes @RocJag, however this has nothing to do with the 5.0.3, this is because he deserted the Praetorian Guard in January. However I can see how this would be seen as a hostile act toward them if he was a friend and ex-member.
March 21st to present - The events that @Doctor Ice is reporting begin occuring. Not sure exactly of all of these as I was only present for 1 personally.
I think this should cover most of the hostilites prior to that;
Umbra and the 5.0.3 began relationships 12/27/19 - A man named Jax, who I believe is @Leik, and myself make an agreement to fight the 24th street gang. The 5.0.3 and Umbra are on good terms.
1/10/20 - A man named Jacob Lakey approaches the Umbra base and begins asking a lot of questions about the 5.0.3 and what we knew about them. He is very suspicious. We take him hostage and bring him to the Berenzino school. Shortly after we arrive @CJ and the 5.0.3 show up. Some words are exchanged about our suspicions. @CJ releases the hostage and things start to become tense.
1/13/20 - @CJ and the 5.0.3 approach our base at Black Mountain, they claim they are planning on raiding, but after talking with them they decide to leave.
1/14/20 - @CJ returns to Black Mountain and executes member John Butcher (no longer on the roster). They raid the base and we officially become enemies.
Sometime late January - 5.0.3 Executes Umbra member Jackson Montoya (no longer on roster) in the famous car video.
2/2/20 - Umbra moves to Livonia to hunt down ex-Samaritans.
From this point on things are pretty quiet until the attack on Kopa.
IC'ly through out our relationship as a group, not much has been done to make peace between our 2 groups. We did try and make peace with them when we first met them at black mountain but nothing really since then.
I have no problem with our IC relationship, its a hostile game and everyone needs an enemy, and 90% of the time with them they have been fantastic enemies, so I personally have never really tried for peace, because our story as enemies has really been great. My past encounters with @CJ and his crew personally have been good, but this incident is not about the relationship between our groups, but the frequency and length of the attacks. From what I am told at least 1 of the raids lasted more then 6 hours.
I will add that I have watched the video of you (@CJ) in the hostage situation with that member and I am completely appalled by his behavior. I've told you a lot in our DM's with each other that we wanted RP and he was completely out of line. He has been removed from the roster as I will not tolerate that behavior in this group, and I do apologize for that.
@CJ you mention that our group lore is mostly about a fight with you, and you are correct about that being how we formed. However our main goal is to find and execute people we have put onto the blacklist. You yourself are the only member of the 5.0.3 on that list, and honestly we have never truly pursued that because how would we ever realistically catch you. Our goal is to hide and gather information on those targets and strike when we can, staying hidden because if we are too busy going to open war with you or any other group, we can't do what we actually aim too. The coalition you speak of was not formed to fight you, you can look in my goals and see that it was formed to protect refugees from the war between you and An Pobal, not start a war itself. It lost sight of what it was formed to do and after I left Livonia, they attacked the prison. That's why I marked that goal as failed, because it didn't do what it aimed too.
Can I ask 2 things -
1. You say you attacked us for things Umbra has done in the past, yet several POVs in this thread state that the 5.0.3 didnt know Umbra lived there. So which is it?
2. The execution of @RocJag has been used several times as a justification for an attack, I am wondering how a) you know Jager Casanova is dead, seeing as he is dead and could not have told you. And b) even if you did somehow ICly get that information how do you know he was executed for his association with the 5.0.3, because that isnt true. All of his past associations were brought up, but Jager has been a target for execution since early January, long before his time in the 5.0.3, and that was for desertion of the Praetorian Guard during war time. So even if you knew somehow he was killed, how would you know why? You've also stated that he was no longer a part of the 5.0.3, so how is avenging someone who is no longer part of your group relevant justification for an attack? I would also like to add that Jager's radio was taken about 30 minutes before execution was even brought up.
@Para will be taken care of as soon as I am off work! Will make sure they meet all requirements.
@Para ended up finding some time to get them done because this is way more fun then working. Please let me know if you have any feedback or I need to change anything. Thank you again!
I will post my full pov when I am off work but I will go ahead and state this is regards to your first claim of characters being switched from s2 to s1 to avoid retaliation. The people on the radio and attacking you are members @Wynne and @Vandire, at the point they were attacking you, the rest of Umbra was already in Chernarus. The individuals that attacked you are still currently in Livonia, and never have lived in the town of Novo.
The majority of Umbra members made the move to Chernarus on February 24th, when we 'kidnapped' Zoe Benson and brought her to Chernarus to hide her from you. Quite a few were in Chernarus before that. However your examples of radio broadcast show that you were attacked by Wynne and Jacob on the 2 of march. Nobody fled to not be attacked by you, there has been a consistent presence of both servers.
Now in regards to your claim about the cavaliers living with us, the cavaliers are friends who had dropped by to visit, they found you inside the compound and heroically stormed in to defend us. The cavaliers live elsewhere, however I do believe you already know that do to the fact they have been raided as well. Radio chatter for clarification:
You can see her last line is "this is not your fight guys, go protect albian" - the settlement belonging to the cavaliers.
Lastly, in this rushed POV is the accusations of Novo people running into firefight involving you. You are a majority EU group and we are majority American. You have the advantage of being 'awake' first. Our people wake up and trickle in slowly not knowing what's going on and you are already there. They cannot log, as that would be combat logging.
I also have one question for you, I was going to include screenshots of them in this but since you've claimed them yourself I will just ask. If you intended to ever give us room to breathe, why did you build not one, but 2 bases less that 300 meters from us? Especially the first base in Novo industrial. A large tower where you set up everything you took on the roof for all to see. You claim we took it back and use that to justify further attacks, but the way you set it up on literally the second tallest building in novo out in the open seems almost like baiting to me. Like you wanted it to be found so you would have that excuse to attack again.
No one is upset that you're back, in fact @Aristocrat can verify that we have been planning what to do when you return for nearly a month. What is upsetting is that you seem to have this idea that s1 is this peaceful place and you need to punish the people choosing to play on that server for that. We expected you to come back and play out storylines with RP, but it truly seems that your intent is to bring back giant firefights with the minimal amout of RP required. There has been plenty of hostilities in Chernarus during your time away, it's just smaller scale RP, not firefights, because that's not what we were designed to do. Firefights and raids will happen, it's part of playing a hostile game, but for 4 days none of us have even had much of a chance to go to our home, because it seems that you're already there if we decide to.
It seems to me that a blend of IC and OOC information is influencing these decisions, and it appears that some where along the way the line between what is IC and OOC has disappeared.
I have a bit of a different opinion then what seems to be the general consensus here so I'll go ahead and state my opinion.
I do not think that groups should be limited to one server in any form, there are plenty of IC reasons to sometimes move between the two. As long as it's not a constant thing and its RPd out properly it's fine. It's on the people playing to make to do this responsibly, as any form of regulation would be difficult to pull off.
Now the multiple characters thing is a more complex issue. I dont see a problem with it, and I understand why it is being done to avoid the badRP stigma of flash travelling between servers and I definetly appreciate anyone trying to be responsible and i also am glad to see the landscape of Chernarus become more complex. I love the story of the 5.0.3 looking for Umbra and chasing them down out of hiding, it really plays into the whole sort of shadow force thing I was going for with Umbra.
From what I understand ICly, the 503 held up a man in Livonia who told them that Umbra was in Chernarus, and they acted on that information. The person they held up most definetly had that information, so to me that's an awesome natural RP scenario fo play out.
Now what I do wish is that CJ and the 503 members we all know and love came themselves. Not because I have any problem with what they are trying to do, as I said I understand it. But I think had the RP would have played out better if characters who had histories together had arrived so we could better forward that storyline. It's kind of hard to RP out living in Chernarus for a month when suddenly Tyrone and friends appear out of a bunker on the airfield like a section 20 member whose airfilters have gone bad. It would also make it easier for Livonias to explain why such a presence in their country is suddenly absent.
I think it's a complicated issue that doesnt exactly have a correct answer, as I think the 5.0.3 was trying to do the right thing when they created these alts. I think we are just all going to have to go through some growing pains and let this develope naturally and ICly.
What matters most is that Chernarus has life again, which OOCly is what I was hoping would happen when I made the decision the move a portion of my group to Chernarus knowing we were being hunted. It's nice to see the country that alot of our characters call home have some life again. At the end of the day this is dayzrp, not second life. Hostilities should be expected.
Roleplaying with you guys over the past couple weeks has been nothing short of amazing. I often find myself having to mute because I'm laughing so hard. Literally any interaction with any one of you gents is so much fun, keep up the good work! Look forward to more.
I like it, heard nothing but good about you so far. Glad to see Johnny and Hana and still around and doing great things. Love the idea of establishing a new group in Chernarus as well, l think it's just what S1 needs. Good luck!