Server and location: S1 - Chernogorsk
Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2019/6/16 (10:00-11:20 AM GMT???) (Confirmed: 5:45 AM - 7:15 AM EST)
Your in game name: Dean Lockwood
Names of allies involved: Jay Spartan [Various CTF members]
Name of suspect/s: Mercenary Group that calls themselves "Contractors"
Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): 2 CTF's Vehicle
Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):
Detailed description of the events:
BadRP/Griefing: So I wake up and I hear the CTF outside complaining that some guys outside are dismantling their car and attempting to "sell the parts" when they already destroyed the car parts / etc (bad roleplay and griefing). This was one of the CTF members cars. The accused is claiming they have a recording of one of the CTF members having permission to keep the car. If this is true, I'd like to see the entire clip of him asking to keep the car, and the CTF member specifically telling him that it is okay to take the car. If so, the griefing portion of this can be dropped. (Not some half-trimmed clip of a conversation regarding a portion of this conversation- The whole clip). After being told that it was these guys outside causing a bunch of drama, the Mafia left to deal with them. We held up one of the boys from "The Contractors" after concealing his identity. (This was the start of the initiation) - Note: This was an obvious bait to start PvP rather than roleplaying. This was a horrible example of how this server should run and this group should be severely looked at as they are wanting to become an official group. [PvP Baiting no RP involved] This, of course, seems a little much like a lie, considering they destroyed two cars... not just "one" that they were told they could take.
[Griefing Summary] Boyo claimed to have "Evidence - "Video Evidence" of the CTF saying he could have the car, and he is blatantly lying as he destroyed two cars. None of the CTF guys initated on him at all during the time that this was happening. The only people that initiated on them was the Mafia and this was long after his claim. He is blatantly going to lie on this report about having permissions and already blatantly lied to me about "having permission to take the car" Their story does not add up. First, it's "We were given the car". Second: "We're stealing the cars" Third: Nah we were just trying to sell the cars. These guys had an intention of destroying property to grief and PvP bait the CTF members by creating horrible RP. When confronted with a group that can actually handle them. The story suddenly changes and they run off into the city and "Never heard of anything that happened about the cars" The parts were taken off the car and destroyed to the side. So if they wanted to steal the car, that was pretty stupid. If they wanted to sell shit, kinda sucks selling broken parts. If they were given it, why didn't they just drive off with it. These guys are obvious pvp baiters to the roleplayers and it's quite annoying.
Hostage NVFL: The mafia was on decent good terms with the mercenary group that calls themselves "Contractors", we took this guy into a building and questioned him about his affiliation with them. #1.) He blatantly lied to me saying he wasn't apart of the contractors. We tied him up and found him with the dark-blue armband and told him to stop lying to us, we noticed his voice and armband. He still proceeded to act stupid. We gave clear demands stating that if anyone gets involved with this situation you will be shot.(TO THE HOSTAGE ONLY) (His boys were running around with no arm-bands at all making them virtually impossible to notice if they were apart of a group or not and just shot one of my boys Zayne in the head after a clear threat was made. The guy inside that we decided to kill in a trade for the opposing group making this decision. We actually tried to de-escalate the situation as we have had great friendly interactions with these boys multiple times today. Today I saved one of their men from getting held up, I could clearly hear the leader of their group saying "Dean's a cool guy, we're good with the Mafia." Noticing that this could very well be the same guy, I tried to de-escalate the situation by telling him that he may have his weapon back and everything if he just told me that he was apart of the mercenary's and we can simply go our separate ways. He then proceeded to threaten us with "If you know what's best for you, you'll just let me go." so he had an attempt at trying to RP there, then one of his boys just shot one of mine. So I executed him. The dude refused to PK in a blatant NVFL situation. If he would've pk'd I would not have thrown up this report at all. The opposing group did not attempt to RP the Hostage situation out and just did mindless dog brain PvP in a blatant bait to push us into a PvP Situation. (Griefing the Cars)
[The NVFL Summary] Has nothing to do with the hostage lying, it's the fact that we gave him 3 opportunities to live, and ways for him to get out and instead, had no value to do it and just kept threatening us with "You better let me go or else high horse attempts" - Just wanted to pvp rather than talk the situation out. His intentions were clear. If you have an intent to die, PK your character. Do not act like you are a god. That is not what an RP server is about. It's a bit disheartening how it's gone downhill this way and is an emotional tantrum for those who have to deal with it. If you're going to act like you have the upper hand and you don't take a PK in that instance, you are acting like you are god. Knowing that you will die. We were happy to give you up to your boys and let you go, even if it was going to escalate into a gun fight. Which your boys did not initiate back onto the CTF guys or myself.
We gave the hostage every right to value his life, and even gave him a multitude of ways out, to de-escalate the situation.
[No-Reinitation by the "Defending" group Summary] You boys had 0 knowledge of who took you, hostage, only IC info you got was "put your hands up" and "my hands are up" and this was only from the mafia, you guys attacked two of the CTF guys that happened to be in the area just looking around. And you KOS'd / Killed them. As a group, if you are unsure of your enemies, you must "initiate on them" and make your demands clear as day. You had no knowledge of what was going on from the surrounding world, and you guys were clearing using OOC comms / Teamspeak / Discord, to meta-game information to one another and were not using VOIP. The new rule states that you must talk in the game as if you were talking to someone over the radio in real life. Odd how your boys were quiet the entire time.
BadRP/KoS: This group had 3 different groups interact with them in a PvP situation I did kill the hostage that refused to value his own life as we would've let him go if he just told us the truth in our demand. He was powergaming attempting to act like the bigger dog of the situation with his life in danger trying to play horrible lies after we already told him we knew he was. However, I ran away and no one was able to confirm or deny that I killed the hostage as no one was there to see it. One of the boys stated "Put your hands up or you will be shot upstairs" I replied with. "Okay, my hands are up and complied being 1 man vs unconfirmed amounts. I came downstairs saying this situation could've been resolved peacefully had you gentlemen not baited with lies. Immediately while they had me, hostage, they just KoS'd me out of emotional rage as I guess they were speaking oocly inside of Teamspeak regarding the situation. They brought no RP to the table at all and were just running around shooting acting like dogs without a leash. Terrible RP. Horrible interaction. (CTF) or Chip's guys can confirm this.
This group personally had good relations with our group and it makes 0 IC sense as to why an uncontracted group who already clearly stated that they deny contracts against us, would attempt to PvP bait and give little to 0 RP interactions. Seems to me these boys were just bored and had nothing to do with their night.
Note: I messaged one of the leaders of the group pissed off stating that this is an RP server, not a PvP server if you want to PvP hmu, and we'll go to a PvP Server. ( I do apologize for this as I was heated with the terrible roleplay presented to me - he ended up calling me and raging before the conversation even could continue and proceeded to hang up - baiting a reaction via text, as you can clearly see.).
[The KOS Summary] One of their boys shot me while they had me, hostage, while fully complying after they told me to put my hands up and not being able to identify who I was during the gunfight. They shot me after I said, "I wish things could've been talked out, rather than baiting others into a fight." I was then immediately shot after I complied to their demands. They had no clue who I was, or who executed their friend. They made 0 attempt to negotiate/interrogate. I was told, "Put your hands up and you won't be shot". I obviously complied being the last one left. This group acts more on emotions than they do in roleplay, we are not the only group affected by this. There was 0 knowledge that was I was the one that killed the hostage let alone them knowing that I was apart of the group that executed the member, and they made 0 attempts to figure it out. (AKA) Used OOC comms/metagaming to figure it out. We were only spotted in the canals, away from the hostage, as we snuck out the back side away where no one could see us intentionally.
Their boys never initiated on CTF, who never shot at anyone let alone initiated. They killed two CTF members on KOS, without initiating for information/demands to the CTF boys. And killed a hostage who was fully complying to demands and was ready for RP.
FINAL EDIT: This group is not an official group and did not attempt to re-initiate (On chip's guys CTF who are not apart of our group that initiated) in any way or attempt to make countering demands in regards to the situation or to make themselves known as the enemy hostiles. We do not just shoot random people on the street. This group also did not talk in VOIP around the building to confirm if the person inside was their hostage or not, they had 0 knowledge of what building he was in / etc or what the enemy was wearing. Just a comms from the guy saying "I'm putting my hands up"
This is not the first issue I've had with this group, as they also AOGM'd my guys on Cho's stream after taking advantage of a crashing situation, I can clip this if the admins would like me to. I'm unsure if I returned before NLR, however, I did not go near the gunfight or near my dead body, I simply went to take pictures of the griefing as proof.
There are plenty of other groups who have been baited into "multiple contracts" that these people are using as excuses to initiate onto other people that never existed and have poofed into existence. If admins are curious about this I will contact you privately and get you the individuals who made these claims directly to me.
Twig, was on a call with me and ended up exploding/yelling at me over his discord, and hung up on me, which lead me to say some things via text which were quite angrily expressed. Such as below. https://gyazo.com/6134dfacaca347b183453f67ac6cb4b4 - I openly apologize for this, as this could be considered OOC hate? If I need to be punished for this I understand, as it was a mistake on my end. However, if I am to be punished, his character should be permanently pk'd in return at the least.