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-CML-NorWayy

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  1. -CML-NorWayy

    Who will win the Iron Throne?

    Samwell Tarly wins, reason. He's gonna be one of the only main characters that lives. And the end scene is going to be him writing a book called the Song of Ice and Fire, or it will be called a Dream of Spring.
  2. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

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  3. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

    With permission from Pontiff, I would like to push for a Counter Report against Squillium for False Report. Based on the OP's statement the video evidence and the statements from the OP's allies, it is very clear that the OP told the Revenants that he was being taken hostage. The Revenants in the base very clearly heard me make the demand both to Squillium and to the general area that if we received fire that Squillium would be shot. As you can see from these two quotes its very obvious this is not a carry over from the initial engagement that I was not involved with at Bash mountain but instead is a use of the OP's allies Dynamic Defense rights following a new initiation against Squillium. In this video evidence from Zorull https://plays.tv/video/5cae92fd872154c5fb/monkey-8-seconds You can clearly see me making these demands to Squillium's friend who I discovered were there friends based off of how they were guarding him whilst he was interrogating another man, along with how I had given them previous warnings about doing smart things and their reactions to my initiation on Squillium in total that is 4 warnings. Yet they headed none of them. Squilium also claims that there was no way for him to convey that information to his allies, fair enough but in the video and the POV of his allies, I covered that for him multiple times, however they didn't listen. Towards the end of the video unfortunately it cuts off in the middle of an awkward sentence. Based off the POV of @HeyItsGrimmhe clearly states that I was being revived by a random bystander behind a tree and once Grimm arrived he assisted in bandaging and covering me with his rifle as well with the intent to initiate and help in the fight. However, due to Zorull's recording crashing and it being in his POV, the only way to confirm this is from Grimm's POV. It seems very clear to me that this report is a clear continuation in an effort to target myself and members of my group based of off OOC bias as a result of our invalid initiation report against MoodyOG without any basis in any rulebreaks.
  4. Link to the source of punishment (report/post): Why the verdict is not fair: Whilst the invalid kill is for the most part valid. I feel that the Invalid Kill - (Ruleplayed) is not, in this case I believe that Invalid Kill - (Firefight) is a much more valid verdict. My reasoning behind this is that the OP took over 15 seconds to even attempt to comply, along with that it was in darkness. The first thing he did was use the maginifque emote upon coming out of cover which from the distance I was at with my Red Dot M4 looks very similar to a reload animation. Along with the fact that even after we initiated and the OP claimed he was trying to get his friend to comply, they kept moving away from us with their weapons drawn. In this situation I took a chance to fire after a clear and valid initiation in which the OP did not comply until well after the allotted time. Along with this the OP's friend up until the moment I executed very clearly had no intention on complying. This is no different from someone taking a chance and shooting someone with their weapon out in the middle of an active firefight, both people took a chance, but in the invalid kill firefight verdict, the person at fault never gave the victim any chances. In this situation I gave the person plenty of chances. The first was when he over heard my conversation and attempted to run. But I decided to wait and give him roleplay before initiating, but instead he ran. The second was when I told the two other men with him that they were free to leave and they did so, neither of them were harmed. The third chance was when I gave my demands, yet he hesitated for way to long, did not stop running, and still had his weapon out. In my opinion what I did constitutes a firefight, the minute the OP and his ally did not comply, it turned into a firefight making this a (Firefight) Invalid Kill. Along with this, I could also make the argument, that when he ran out from behind the tree he made the wrong hand gesture, as seen in this report If someone makes the same hand gesture after being initiated on, it isn't my fault that the target messed up and made an error and I kill him. While I could make the decision to wait and shoot after, at this point in time what I knew was this. We initiated on two men, who went none compliant, kept their weapons out and were backpedaling away. When shots started going out, I saw both people sprint behind a tree with weapons out with the man with the SCAR consistently peaking for a shot. When the OP runs out from behind the tree and immediately does the wrong emote that looks extremely similar to a reload animation, by simply looking at the precedent set by many other reports taking the risk is can be placed as two things. It isn't my fault he made a mistake, or it was in the middle of a firefight and is equivalent to a mis-ID. Additional statements/comments explaining your point of view: In conclusion, I feel that the 10 points 3 day ban was over-zealous in this case. While it is definitely true I should've given the OP more time, as I stated in my POV on the report my game froze up from the mass amount of fire and the large amount of people in close proximity, which led to my lag firing as soon as he stepped out from behind the tree and made the wrong emote. My lag can be proven from the time at which the hit logs connect, (03:21:28 | Player "Jacob Nguyen" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" into Lungs(48) for 34 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4-A1 from 45.0202 meters 03:21:28 | Player "Jacob Nguyen" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" into Torso(1) for 34 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4-A1 from 45.0202 meters 03:21:28 | Player "Jacob Nguyen" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" into Torso(25) for 34 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4-A1 from 45.0202 meters 03:21:28 | Player "Jacob Nguyen" [HP: 20.6879] hit by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" into LeftArm(29) for 34 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4-A1 from 45.0202 meters 03:21:28 | Player "Jacob Nguyen" [HP: 31.9079] hit by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" into LeftArm(21) for 34 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4-A1 from 45.0202 meters) It doesn't seem possible for a M4 spray from 45.020 meters to have 5 rounds connect on one target all at the same time without any misses and all hit the upper chest at the exact same time. This can be shown in Laroches video as well, where you can see that all 5 rounds seemingly hit him at the exact same time. This is only seen when one of the two players is lagging substantially, which I was. Furthering my earlier point that by the time that he stepped out from the tree and made the wrong animation after non-complying, I mis-ID'd his initial animation. Before he was in the surrender animation, which in my opinion constitutes a Invalid Kill (Firefight) verdict rather than an Invalid Kill (Roleplayed) verdict which is often attributed to non-tense situation such as an invalid execution, where both parties are not under fire. And the offending party had plenty of time to chose to do the right thing. In this scenario, I made a split second decision to engage a target that to my knowledge still had the intention to No-Comply based of his movements, the speed of which he left cover, and his attitude leading up to the initiation. This is no different than someone in the middle of a firefight in Stary Sobor who shoots someone approaching behind his friends with his weapon drawn in the middle of a firefight. In both scenarios, the target is in a location where shots are being exchanged. The target had a choice to either leave, comply, or put both their hands up. And in both scenarios, lives on both sides are at risk. What would you like to achieve with this appeal: Have the Invalid Kill (Roleplayed) replaced with Invalid Kill (Firefight), along with having 5 of the ten points removed. The three day ban is fair enough, however having that changed to a 2 day is alright with me. What could you have done better?: In this situation I definitely could've waited till I was directly in danger instead of working of the instinct to protect myself and teammates. When I opened fire before lagging I was running from cover to cover, and from what I saw was the up until that very moment non-compliant OP running from out behind a tree turning to his right towards me and severson and doing the magnificent emote which looks exactly like a reload from more than 10m away. If I had focused more on being reactionary rather than proactive this situation wouldn't have occurred, and I understand now that while firefights are stressful, especially with that volume of fire, and not having radio contact with any of the people with you. It is up to me to police when and where I shoot, I just wish that I hadn't have lagged at that moment, and taken more time to identify exactly what the persons intent was when the ran from behind the tree just like in the case of a Mis-ID Firefight.
  5. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

    I would like to call in @Zorullas one of my allies in this situation
  6. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

    No, they are literally when you are back up out of the fetal position. But in the video you can see that I'm not making callout's, I'm not telling my teamates where we were taking fire from, I'm not saying who we are taking fire from. I relayed no sensitive information that would've changed anything about the situation. It's the same case of telling your teamates, hey I just got shot i'm dead, that doesn't constitute metagaming. Again, as grimm has stated, he witnessed and assisted in reviving me. Along with watching the man bandage me, I gave out no meta-gamed information whilst I was down, and along with that in the video you can clearly see me telling all of your friends if we get shot at you will die.
  7. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

    Yes there are logs for consciousness, however, they only register once the character is literally back up and standing. Not when the person can see and move their head. And as both myself and Grimm said, I was assisted by a bystander who can be seen in the video. The man with the white hunting bag who was also gunned down by the revenants behind the tree along with myself and grimm.
  8. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

    I went uncon almost immediately after shooting you, but I was in the middle of a conversation with G19 about wether or not I told you and the people who shot us if we told them if we got shot at we'd kill you. Which, is what this report is about. It took me 22~ seconds to begin regaining consciousness which isn't uncommon at all when you have an innocent bystander attempting to heal you.
  9. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

    https://plays.tv/video/5cae92fd872154c5fb/monkey-8-seconds This is the full uneditied clip.
  10. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

    In the end of that clip is when I'm waking up. If the clip didn't end there you would hear the rest of the sentence. I'm in cover waking up, zorull keep on the pressure I'm low. At which point one of the bystanders bandages me while I pull out my gun.
  11. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

    That was me saying im conscious
  12. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

    That video isn't taken from my perspective, will be uploading the full clip shortly.
  13. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

    As you can see in this video https://plays.tv/s/M9uA2t7DyCXA I clearly state to the Revenants and everyone inside the camp that if we come under fire that squillium will be shot, and then after that we would kill all of them. They way you can tell this is accurate is because the man in the in the Tower, the one who replied to me, and the man on the left corner are both the men who shot me, and shot squillium as well. If you would like to pull logs for the rest of the incident you will see that everyone on the OP's side was in the courtyard was within VOIP range and in fact even responded to my threats.
  14. -CML-NorWayy

    S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

    Vitaliy Makarovich POV: Logged in at Lopatino, about 15 minutes after the boys got into a scrap with the Revenats at Bash hill. Looked around for a bit on the west end of the airfield, decided to head up towards Tisy Summer for some RP maybe meet up with my boi Riker and Jimmy Lorenzo. Got to the Camp and found @Squilliumholding a guy hostage at the gate with 1 man in green and 2 revenants covering him. These people being the Dawson brothers. Even though I had kill rights, I decided I'd rather attempt to RP with them rather then JFK them from outside the gate. Walked up to the first man and asked him his name, recognized Miller's and his friends voice and with the knowledge that the Dredgens and the Revenants were close allies and most definitely communicating via radio decided to warn the man to "Not do anything stupid when the time comes." He later approached me and asked me what I meant and I told him. "Don't do anything stupid, what is about to happen doesn't concern you. Stay back and nobody will get hurt." Which to be completely fair, although it doesn't scream, Hey imma take your boy hostage shoot me and he dies; but it is as close as I could get to saying that whilst remaining lowkey enough to not warrant being shot right there on the spot. Jimmy and I then approached Squillium, and initiated. Of course because I know they are very close to the Revenants, they were in the same radio, and afterwards I learned that the Dredgens TS channel was changed to (DREDGENS REQUESTING REVENANTS HELP) I told Squilium that I knew that he was trying to stall and that he needed to drop his radio immediately so he couldn't scream for help. I then took his weapon and told him to slowly walk to the front gate. I then proceeded to say in voip loud enough so everyone in the small camp could hear me. "If your little friend with the PP-19 and the green jacket shoots you die." The when we were about 15ft from the gate I repeated, "If any of your friends shoot at us you are going to die." I know that the Revenants @NinjaBenheard this because immediately after he repeated the same thing I told him. "Make smart choices and nobody gets hurt." to which I responded "Yes and you do the same, make smart choices." around 30 seconds after that, when we were around 50~ meters from the camp straight north down the road, the Revenants opened fire on Squillium. Not sure what the hell was going on, I turned to my right and see him start to run so I shot him 2 times then attempted to run to cover but got knocked uncon. I woke up around 1 minute later and saw Grimm roll up and try to bandage me. The guys from inside pushed out and killed me.
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