Link to Source of punishment (report/post):
Why the verdict is not fair:
It was more than fair and probably a long overdue punishment
Additional statements/comments explaining your point of view:
Where to start with this, So I was banned back in March and was let back on amnesty in June. I did a lot of sketchy things that led me to being on amnesty. The report that actually set me over back in march was a BadRP report but there was a lot more to me getting to that point than just that. Since coming back, I have stayed true to my promises that I made in my Amnesty Appeal. I have stayed clean, showed a desire to prove that I have bettered myself. Prove that I want to be part of this community, and I believe my OOC attitude and IC attitude/ actions show that I have grown. I have been part of many discussions on the Forums as well as playing in game a lot and staying overall active. I have also reported in game bugs or glitches I have found in game as well as other exploits I had known of or found out and told the dev team about them either in DMs or in the bugs channel on discord. I believe that I have improved myself and I will keep on doing just that past this appeal regardless of outcome.
To note just a couple of examples of things that I have tried. I, and many friends, Joined the RAC when I got unbanned which was way out of our comfort zone. We were not used to the type of RP that was presented in RAC and I think that generally speaking, we did pretty alright. There are always things that could have been done better but I think that the experience I provided to other people while playing with RAC was much better than what I was doing before. Again, Thank you @HarveyLR for allowing us a chance to play in your group.
With this I have also cleared or at least attempted to clear up a lot of OOC tensions I've had with many different community members. Some members were never interested in settling things which is fair but some of those that have, I have become friends with. I used to see a lot of things as other people's fault, or that I was being targeted, stuff like that. Nowadays I just take care of my own and am understanding that my actions are my own, and not done by someone else. Situations I have been in, as well as things I have said, are my own and I understand that I must take responsibility for those actions that I made and not make an excuses for them if they are unjust actions..
What would like to achieve with this appeal:
Final warning removed
What could you have done better?
Since coming back, I could’ve done a lot of things better. I made a few mistakes along the way that could have been avoided but i've learned from these mistakes. Past this appeal, I will continue to improve myself. Even after this, I will continue to improve both my attitude, and the way I conduct myself in game.
I think the biggest thing that perhaps showed improvement was back in early august, I received a message from the admins about some things they want to see improvement upon as well as some other critiques with it. As they had said, “Old Habits Die hard” I made more promises with my response to them and I feel as though I have delivered on those promises. Cutting back from the, as they put it, “PVP Monkey”
I believe I have shown my desire to RP and not treat this server as a PVP server. There are some specific details within that message that I will not share here but if you look back at what was expected, I feel as though I have improved upon or completely gotten rid of some of those habits. With that, I am still continuing to work on improvement. I have a long way to go but I have put in the effort to show that I am doing my best to improve as well as having actually improved. When i'm off final it won't be back to my old ways, I will continue critiquing myself and being better.
I want to thank the Staff team and the community for being patient with me. I am understanding of the reputation the precedes me and can understand anybody that may have ill will towards me. I hope that within these last few months I have proved some people otherwise and if not, I hope to prove it in the future. Thank you.
(Also I dunno when my actual appeal date is supposed to be or how to check. I just know I was let back in mid June so I think its been 3 months?)
To quote rule 2.5,
2.5 Ghosting is switching between multiple game servers in order to gain an unfair advantage. For example, using multiple servers to get past defenses of a base that exists only on one of the servers, change your location to log in behind enemy lines during active hostile situation, switching between servers to loot the same location twice in order to obtain more loot or switching servers to escape active kill rights on you.
In no way did we break this rule. Half this rule no longer applies as it was in place when we had 2 servers on the same hive.
On top of that, no where in the rules does it say you are not allowed to change characters. The only thing I believe could be pushed with that is if everything had kicked off, and then mid gunfight we switched characters. That would be a rule break but that’s not what happened.
The truth is we changed characters about 15 minutes before anything had happened. We were at that point in time not involved with any situation or even recently role played with anyone. Absolutely nowhere in the rules does it say what we did was not allowed.
In regards to Ghosting, to hit us with this would be to hit us with a rule that doesn’t even apply to the server today. If the rule is interrupted in any other way than what is written in the rules then the rule should have been updated a long time ago. If rules are written one way but are changed by interpretation of the staff team later down the line without any rule update, then player shouldn’t be hit for it. If this is the case then the ghosting rule should either be removed or updated. You cannot expect players to follow a rule that doesn’t exist or to follow by a meaning of that rule that isn’t cited on the rules page.
TLDR: Nowhere in the rules does it say that what we did is a rule break in regards to changing our characters. And even then, our intent wasn’t to have a situation with SGRU it had just happened out of pure chance after we changed characters.
I believe @Phoenyxx POV may add some details here. From what I remember, we had changed to our chechen characters as you see with position logs and we were all quite spread out. At this point everything is being relayed to us about who we thought was pjs group in town yada yada. Since we had been spread we were going to meet before going into beri. We figured either the checkpoint or the house and I believe it was @Phoenyxx who suggested we meet at that house. Shortly after she suggest we meet at the house, she then double mics saying hello or something to people she had run into. These people being SGRu. (we are already in game as our Chechens by this point and had been for a good bit.) After her double mic saying hello it is shortly followed by something like “my hands are going up” which was our signal that someone was holding her up. I personally dont quite remember if we knew it was SGRU or not. I knew there was a point in a time a mention of Russians being around but I had thought it was Most likely Pjs group (Our comms were very bad during this) However, we did on our chechen characters get told to meet up at that house and shortly after she double mic something similar to the above that I quoted. That is how we knew where she was as well as that something was happening. It is shortly there after that @UniiLR runs up and initiates one the people in the house and kills one and dies.
edit: I am typing this on my phone so sorry for any grammar/Mis spelled words
Please explain as my mind is ether blanking or there is nothing to this. What do you feel was abused and how?
14 minutes after switching character with no prior interaction with you or anyone else for that matter is when first shots ring. The people that you did interact with stayed on their alt characters. You say you have no problems with the gunfight but that seems to be exactly what your problem is. There is no ruling on switching characters in the rules. To that, my understanding was that as long as you hadn’t had any recent interactions with people and there were no active rights on you, or you on others, there is no problem.
I switched characters before @Phoenyxx was initiated on. I had run into nobody, I did not have kill rights on anyone and nobody had kill rights on me at the time of me switching characters.
your statements are contradictory. Please explain to me how our rights were abused? Outside of you getting killed at that house which you claim you have no problem with, I believe the only other shots exchanged was frosty killing someone who wasn’t with you guys nearby in the woods. Our only other exchange of gunfire was your guys killing @Mike @Eagle @Maybelele at the gas station in the middle of nowhere aswell as you guys opening fire on @YAKMOUTH who if you wanna be technical, you didn’t even have rights on him which could’ve been a invalid kill had you managed to hit your shots and kill him.
In no way did we abuse our rights as the only person who even used rights was @UniiLR and those were used seconds after he initiated. The rest of the boys to my understanding only returned fire after they were shot at, that being @[email protected]@Maybelele. Myself didn’t even shoot a single bullet this entire situation as I myself was focused on re initiating because I’m on final and making sure my targets are 100% valid.
Please explain what you feel was abused and how it was abused @neom as I fail to understand your argument at this point in time
What’s even crazier @neom is not even knowing you were around until I had already changed characters. I don’t get what’s trying to be had with with this report. But i guess we will have to leave that to the staff team.
as always, if you wish to talk this over then dm me. If not so be it
@Eddie One thing to help with establishing timing, @UniiLR initiated on them and killed @neom just a few seconds later I believe. If you pulled kill logs just for that, you would get the time stamp of when things kicked off compared to when we switched characters. It will show that we had been on our chechens for a good amount of time before anything even happened.
Like I said above, I was not aware that russians were even around till after I had switched to my chechen character.
Ah, I should clarify, We were told they were there as there was a large group of people there. Mis informed. Point still stands, didnt know the russians were even there till after I had already swapped characters and got in game.
I switched characters at Gorka before any initiation happened. My game crashed like 6 times. But before any initiation was dropped on @Phoenyxx I was already on my chechen character.
I had no kill rights on anyone, nobody had kill rights on me and I had changed characters before anything had started. The Reason we were even over there was to get @SovietPj and his group as they were in beri and we were gonna get revenge for what happened the other day which we knew they were there because @YAKMOUTH had told us. While all this is happening we are sitting in the same Radio as Most of the Pub Members as well as @Phoenyxx's character, Lily, along with @YAKMOUTH on his character, Hector, as well as @AlkisLR, on his character Tristan. All of these people have worked with our chechen characters before in the past so this is not out of the ordinary. It had only come to my attention that russians were around after I had already logged into my chechen character not before.
As for any worries, about meta gaming, even if we had acted on info obtained from our other characters which we did NOT, all that same info could've been relayed by the many pub members in our radio as well as the 3 people I mentioned above.
Gonna add into this, Good response.
As from me, Yeah I had fun at the event. @Drbeans & @Atrix Did absolutely stellar and knew what they were doing. The rest of you i have nothing but dissapointment for you. @cas and @Millie as well as a lot of people I dont recognize, you guys were so eager to just execute me and @Eagle and I still dont understand why or the motive. It came off as "I wanna execute them cause I cant be bothered to deal with them" but thats just me. If this happened to me on any other character or not part of this event, I almost 100% would've of reported BadRP. I understand big groups makes communication hard but that doesnt give the excuse to jump the gun on things. Take a deep breath, everyone relax. This game is not real life, it is a video game. Have fun, dont stress about things. Good luck in the future and I hope I never see what I saw today.
As always, Feel free to disagree with my feedback if you do. Im sure things are seen differently from your POV. Thanks guys
Edit: Context: I was on a lore character to helps Staggs