POV: We pulled up on a group of people on the coast, they begin running away. We chase for a while and end up catching one of them in a field. the rest, in typical fashion, disappear into the trees. We send a few that way to check and find no one. I wait for a little bit, around five minutes or so, then initiate on the female and take her away. I warn her at least three times that if she hides a radio or gun that she would die. We get to the house and she has a radio, so I kill her. We run off to prison island, find nothing, get in our car and drive north, get ambushed at Pav mil and die.
I'd like to note that as of recent reports and statements regarding dynamic rights, you must be present in the situation in order to gain rights. The others in Kamenici had run off full speed and a decent distance away. Meaning that they did NOT have defensive dynamic rights. On top of this, a large portion of the people in truck had not previously initiated. Meaning that they were RDM'd.
If position logs are pulled it will show that they were far away by the time we initiated, after snagging the women we RP'd for around five minutes before initiating, and we searched the immediate area. They were not close enough to see it, and were definitely NOT PRESENT for the initiation in anyway.
I would formally like to also report them for RDM x7, and of course the two invalid executions on Oxen and Shepherd.
To add on to the execution, Rolle says "The hostage who was killed is classed as not affiliated because he is not a member of the attacker approved group, nor an approved group that is marked as an ally of that group". The Trade Union are not marked as our ally, and they were only with us through randomly finding them on a road.
Last time I was involved in one of these reports with the suspects, they linked a report that got me put on final over a year ago. I assume that it will be linked again, so I will take this opportunity to defend myself. This situation is nothing similar. My official group initiates on the female, the rest of her dynamic group have been long gone, out of LOS and nowhere present for the initiation. The female then fails to comply with my orders and is executed. The two situations are completely different and I hope that it is not aimlessly thrown once again at me.
I'd like to point out the clever use of words regarding their POV's. They say things such as "shortly after" when referring to when we initiated on Pips, but this is blatantly false. I role-played with her for at least five or so minutes before ever initiating, and if we get the full position logs pulled for this team, from myself, pips and the rest of the suspects then we can prove just how far they had run.
Just from what we have now, we see that Mexi was located at the red circle (pictured below), and even with a generous estimate on the hostage location (could be wrong, need more pos logs still), then he was around 2.3 km away from the initiation site three minutes after the hostage being executed. Keep in mind there was about 3 or 4 minutes between initiation and execution, but even accounting for that there is no way that Mexi and Co. were anywhere close enough to see or be involved in the roleplay leading to the initiation. Even with dex you cannot move that fast or that far.
They have yet to say whether or not they were close or present because they know they were not, and the use of vocabulary such as "soon after" or "shortly after" when regarding the initiation is blatantly false as roleplay was given to Pips for several minutes before an initiation.
"You need to be present when the initiation is dropped, or you yourself personally need to be initiated on to gain defender rights." Although verdicts do not cause precedent, it shows the interpretation of the rules and how they are being enforced.
On top of this, to add on to what @Queerios said, the behavior from @groovy pips was NVFL and baiting. When I offered to resolve this by having her walk to the truck for a conversation she would respond with statements like "or what" and "what are you going to do about it" and "I dont think I am going to". Even though she was HEAVILY outnumbered by just my group, not to mention the bystanders watching idly by. She showed no value for her own life and displayed clear paths of baiting. With that I would also like to bring about this accusation of baiting and NVFL formally, if I must make a separate report let me know staff.
This is the logs plotted out at 23:57, roughly as we initiated on Pips. Keep in mind this could even be before we initiated, as when we initiated on Pips we began moving her south of this position. Meaning at the absolute best, with perfect timing, that this was the closest they could possibly be to the situation. The closest groovy member was well over a KM away and the rest of the gang was almost 2KM at 1800 M. Above us is Chase, who chased them even further, the men were full sprint running away and were NOT INVOLVED in the situation at all. They abandoned their dynamic member, completely lost LOS and were 2KM away before we even initiated.
Thank you @Hofer for the rest of the logs, and as you mentioned before, I will be representing my group, "The Time".