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  1. Caesar

    December 2017 Staff QnA follow up

    @Jamie, you should check out Para's profile. There was much more scope for agreement than we realised. I agree significantly with your second paragraph. I don't believe you can be 100% consistent. I didn't actually address the creation of the rules directly but more their interpretation. My position can be summed up as follows. Cases with similar facts should be treated the same. If there is divergence that requires a different judgement it should be argued well enough that any reasonable critic can see the reasoning. Be as consistent as possible. But we all understand that over times interpretations can change. As long as they are not changing so frequently or drastically that you unfairly punish those who could not have known. My point was that if you start with the idea that you can do something it unfortunately occurs that people fail to think if they should. I did notice some of that attitude when I rejoined staff briefly. Para's comment seemed to indicate that it had resurfaced. I don't speak about any particular case. I don't intend to reply further as if I haven't made myself clear yet. I probably won't. Oh and you've got that razor sharp edge. o7.
  2. Caesar

    • Caesar
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    • Para

    Rather than clutter up that thread further. I am curious, what in the UK's modern history makes you believe that consistency has been abandoned?

    Being an Australian we got our legal system is essentially from you guys. So much so that it was technically possible to appeal to the UK's privy council (a process admittedly only used once) until it was last denied in practice in the 60's.

    The rule of law is a basic principle held to many Western countries. One of its primary facets is that the populace should be constrained by the law, not by decrees made from upon high. Interpretation exists, but historical precedent is only changed with significant justification and is the exception to the rule.

    I never said you can never distinguish a case. You can, but you must be able to justify it. Having the onus on the GM's ensures that a certain amount of intellectual rigour is imposed in judgements. In my experience it helps prevent people falling into the trap that just because they can use subjective values, they should. They should always challenge their inherent assumptions to see if they hold up to scrutiny.

    Look forward to hearing your thoughts. Also all this fluff on profiles makes my beast gaming PC and decent internet lag like fuck.

    1. Caesar

      Caesar

      FYI for further reading.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precedent

      Case law is incredibly important to legal systems, including the UK's. Precedent can be overruled, especially by a higher court but generally once a higher court has made a decision the lower courts are bound by it. The higher court can later change it's opinion. But even then previous cases become "persuasive". Changes are only done with significant consideration of its impact for future cases.

      I would need significant evidence to persuade me that the UK has abandoned such an important pillar of legal systems worldwide.

    2. Para

      Para

      Firstly, I never said it had been abandoned entirely. it hasn't, it is just now the system has the judiciary taking into account more social views. The system now, as it currently stands, allows the judiciary to dissent from the 'law' (obviously they cannot outright go against the law, comparable to here you can't suddenly allow somebody to log out after 20 minutes of their timer instead of 30).

      I wish I had my AS law notes,

      TL;DR and from what I can remember:

      Pre 1900s, the law was inconsistent AF though the system was still in development. I think around 1916, there was a case whereby the UKSC (or formerly the UKHL) had to remain 100% consistent for all cases after that. For us, over the last 100 years of so, massive amounts of social change have been introduced, be it a more widely accepted view on abortion to other areas of law such as voluntary manslaughter. A system that is 100% consistent is unable to change, and once cemented into the system, a judiciary doesn't want to stray away from that standard for many years. It wasn't until the 1960s (I think 1967) after that the law was reformed to allow the house of lords to step away from previous precedent and adapt the law to fit the modern standard. 

      There have been cases after the 1960s where the judiciary has failed to step away from this 'standard' they were forced into accepting simply because it was cemented into their ways. 

      If this seems vague, i apologise, but I destroyed all my old notes when i finished my A-Levels and I wasn't particularly in the mood to write an essay on this topic (as i already did 2 years ago :P )

      Edit: Also, I know how precedent works, i studied Law during my A-Levels and am now studying law at degree level. I've never said it abandoned it's precedent system, what I am saying is that when the system does not allow them to step away from previous precedent the system becomes impossible and unfair when new changes come along. 

    3. Caesar

      Caesar

      It seems we are more in agreement then we originally thought. We both acknowledge there is middle ground. I never said you will ever reach 100% consistency. It's an impossible goal. I see we are both law students so understand the doctrine of precedent. My argument is you start from a position of consistency and then only diverge with a very good reason indeed. I was arguing against the mindset that Rolle often showed. As you said, even your house of lords (as well as our high court) and reticent to change previous rulings. On occasions it is absolutely necessary to take into account changing statutes and societal issues, but once again. It is the exception to the rule.

      I think the scope for disagreement here is much smaller than I originally thought. I don't know how inconsistent staff has been. But it should be the case that any changes are made with the intent of alleviating shortfalls in the system and not a "case by case" system of bias and subjectivity. These changes should then be enforced. Ideally if changes are made suddenly to rectify an issue the person should not be punished if an offence is now punishable and a notice should be made the conduct is no longer acceptable. If a certain conduct is now acceptable all future cases should adhere to the standard.

    4. JoffreyRP

      JoffreyRP

      /r/iamverysmart

  3. Caesar

    Caesar

    Since I doubt I'll be on this site on new years. I'll post this now.

     

    1. Falk

      Falk

      Hello Legend Caesar 

    2. Caesar

      Caesar

      Hello Western.

    3. Falk

      Falk

      Return time? 

    4. Caesar

      Caesar

       

    5. GenericName

      GenericName

      I miss your non sugar-coated opinions. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    6. JoffreyRP

      JoffreyRP

      I don't.

    7. Caesar

      Caesar

      =D

  4. Caesar

    December 2017 Staff QnA follow up

    This answer saddens me greatly. Nothing against Para personally but it is an attitude that needs to be eliminated with extreme prejudice. I understand that you can never be 100% consistent. But you should always strive to that goal. In law they have things called precedents, and while a court can distinguish (basically ignore) a case it is generally only done if a significant legal oversight has been made. There should be a doctrine of equal under the law. If a distinction has to be made it should be explained to a level that would satisfy any reasonable critic. It should be a basic intellectual exercise of the staff to start with the standard and to rigorously challenge the standard with the facts of the case to determine if extenuating circumstances must be taken into account. Only if that can in fact be justified should the punishment or outcome be changed. You should never start from the viewpoint that just because you can, you should. I know much of this comes from Rolle. While he is the "captain" of this boat I would have hoped that the admins would challenge this idea. Rolle has a tendency of making captains calls. While technically his right he does have a tendency to work against his communities best interest in his haste. He will see something he doesn't like and rather than sit back and think it through he will lead from a place of emotion, over logic. Not that I am speaking of any particular case, because honestly I haven't been paying attention. My 2c.
  5. Caesar

    Return of SVR?

    Honestly, the group would need changes. The server was different back then. But I would support it. Although hardly an unbiased observer. It might even make me come back (maybe a 10% chance) if some of our old adversaries came back to make it a challenge in the ever evolving war for dominance.
  6. Caesar

    Anti - telepathic communication rule

    I always said that this was bullshit. If a certain group of people hadn't of changed the definition of surrender and used the plain English definition it would never have been such a big issue (as was originally intended). I distinctly remember when I first saw this in a report I was totally outraged by it, but everyone else saw it as ok. It's a stupid thing to allow. Better late than never I guess. I still maintain that changed for the worse. Sure the original definition may not have been perfect, but in those circumstances it was a significant improvement. As soon as you "surrender", just stop talking. This doesn't mean wait until your radio is taken. There are other good suggestions in this thread, including in all hostile situations forcing a double mic. I am not saying the original intention was the best solution or the only one. More stating that the change in definition was poorly thought out as it went backwards. I get the annoyance here, but I also get the counterpoint. From my experience of group dynamics not everything stated is IC while playing the game. So much of this game can be done on autopilot that you don't even have to talk too much about it apart from some basics or when something interesting actually happens.
  7. Caesar

    • Caesar
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    • Jamie

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    I am proud of you, although I will confuse you and refuse to say why. This goes for you other red names also.

    1. Jamie

      Jamie

      That's surprising. 

      Can you elaborate? 

    2. Aiko

      Aiko

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      What could it be!?

    3. Caesar

      Caesar

      You shall never know, or maybe you shall. Who can tell :D. 

  8. Caesar

    TS and Voip - make it more fair?.

    It has the same problem as things like ACRE. It's inherently less fun. Let me explain, people when playing during lulls will not always talk about in game stuff. In my experience there is a great deal of "shit talk" going on with people just having fun. If people had to broadcast this as well they could easily get hit with Bad RP. Is it ideal that people use radio when they can RP in game? No. but it also happens for a reason. This reason is not always malicious or attempting to seek an advantage.
  9. Caesar

    • Caesar
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    • Cid

    Congratz, long overdue IMO.

    1. Cid

      Cid

      I feel the same.  Thanking you.

  10. Caesar

    Caesar

    Today is a dark day, DayZRP has lost a true hero. A light in the darkness, a voice of reason in the insanity, the calm in the storm.

    We can only wait and see how this day impacts not only this day, but all days to come.

    1. YaBoiParantoid

      YaBoiParantoid

      Don't worry, he's back in 17 days :> 

    2. Lyca

      Lyca

      Not gonna lie... he got me too.

      I was unbelievable sad.

    3. BostonRP

      BostonRP

      DayZRP hasn't lost me!

    4. Chewy

      Chewy

      It's okay, El no will be back soon.

       

    5. Caesar

      Caesar

    6. YaBoiParantoid

      YaBoiParantoid

      ouy knahT

    7. Caesar

      Caesar

      Little does a certain blue monkey know, the gate was locked behind him.

    8. YaBoiParantoid

      YaBoiParantoid

      I noticed, I was turning the key :>

    9. Caesar

      Caesar

      They also changed the locks.

    10. YaBoiParantoid

      YaBoiParantoid

      Guess that's why the Mongols invented pogo sticks

    11. Caesar

      Caesar

      It's sad I got that reference.

    12. Roland

      Roland

      Who? :D

    13. YaBoiParantoid

      YaBoiParantoid

      @Rolle cheeky

  11. Caesar

    Manchester

    You're right. But the problem in adittion to the actual source is fundamentalism. If you are a fundamentalist christian you are just as able to commit heinous acts. Luckily the western world went through a reformation that the other parts have not. We can only hope other parts of the world follow suit with rapid progress. In my view it's all wrong. But if you believe it without harming anyone. So be it.
  12. Caesar

    Caesar

    My heart goes out the the victims and their loved ones in the several terrorist incidents recently. I only hope that one day we can all come together and focus on our shared humanity, rather than the divisions of religion.

  13. Caesar

    • Caesar
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    • Kordruga

    Are you bored? You seem bored.

    1. Kordruga

      Kordruga

      I do not like you.

    2. Caesar

      Caesar

      Surprisingly enough, I really don't care.

  14. Caesar

    New Lore = Re-Whitelist?

    As other's have said. A notice would suffice. Also as suggested change the PW to force people to check the PW and hopefully lore. Seems reasonable. Easily possible. Trust me on that one. You could easily do it.
  15. Caesar

    Caesar

     

    1. Caesar

      Caesar

      It was self defence. 

  16. Caesar

    Caesar

    Get's called a hypocrite because you know, simple minds. So apparently if you say x rules should be removed that means you can never advocate harsher punishments for others, smh. That's the logic climate change deniars use. It's snowing so it can't be x.

    Another example someone might want drugs legalized but terrorists executed.

    To be clear I recommend removing points for templates and minor breaches of radio chatter protocol. I called these more procedural rules at the time.

    I still stand by my comments regarding multiple rulebreaks.

    But even if it was a break from my history. Who cares, intelligent people when presented with facts change their minds to suit. One of the many problems in this community. Very few act like this. They are too dogmatic.

    I am no hero of the people. I have my own thoughts and couldn't give a flying fuck if you or anyone else appreciate them.

    1. Nihoolious

      Nihoolious

      Why do you feel the need to lock your status update? Do you not want to have discussion with your fellow community members?

    2. Mexi

      Mexi

      Getting boring now to be quite honest, your updates were hypocritical because of how much you really wanted to push more punishments onto anyone that stepped out of line. 

      You're not magically some sort of community hero for changing your mind.

    3. Caesar

      Caesar

      Mexi you obviously didn't read. I am no hero. Never claimed to be, nor do I care to be so. I have my opinions and they are far more consistent then you give me credit for. You seem to be struggling with nuance.

      I believe the following:

      1. We have rules that shouldn't be rules or should result in a hide only. I stated this in staff. So it is YOU that is incorrect. In fact me arguing as much as well as others got Rolle to agree with the current more lenient system. That is a fact of history.

      2. I do believe all in game rule breaks should be punished. I have suggested a model that found broad support. 75% or people wanted a harsher system. A small group of people and the majority of admins I guess disagree. So be it, that issue is void I guess.

      A punishment to fit the crime.

      3. A few in game rules should also be mended. I stated this in my first meeting with Rolle. I would like to find ways of opening up playstyles without allowing abuses of the system. Easier said than done but there are ways. Some of this can come through the lore wipe and some through revisions of rules. For example the settlement rules.

      Nihoolious, you are correct. The kind of people that would have posted and did previously barring a few are exactly the kind I don't care to talk to. They have to date said nothing to dissuade me.

      I had intended for that to be my closing .02.

      If they wish to reply. They can on their own profiles.

  17. Caesar

    Caesar

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    A small part of me misses these days.

     

    1. Stagsview

      Stagsview

      Kill it with alcohol and drugs.

    2. Caesar

      Caesar

      Probably a good choice, got any suggestions for specific substances?

    3. Para

      Para

      Paracetamol

    4. Caesar

      Caesar

      Wow............

    5. ToeZ

      ToeZ

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      LIKE THAT DICK, PACHOW!

    6. Caesar

      Caesar

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    7. ToeZ

      ToeZ

      ;)

  18. Caesar

    Caesar

    As someone who only occasionally says shit here I can say emhpatically now that I am an outsider, that I was way to close to the issue before. I can see that I was all too eager to ignore the childish bullshit in this community, only paying attention to it when things got "toxic". It is obvious that I wanted this community to be better than what it can be. I expected to much, it is a gaming community filled with people who are in fact for the most part, acting their age. There is no hope for raising the level of maturity and reducing the bickering in this community, it is inherent. It always has been.

    Not that I am suggesting it change. It can't and probably shouldn't. It's just time that people stop pretending. Staff, lighten up a little on the points. This community is about fun. Some of the rules that are more procedural leading to points should go. The best we can hope for is people don't flame or disparage each other. On that front alone you have more than enough to keep you busy.

    As for the community. Stop the pissing contests. No one is impressed. Continue on with your silly shenanigans. That wont ever change.

    1. Jamie

      Jamie

      Slightly confused. You were the person that wanted to issue more points with your double dipping procedure? 

    2. William

      William

      This status update has left me confused

    3. Mexi

      Mexi

      Attempted to bring double dipping into the reports, good lord. Not to be rude to you, at all Caesar.. But that second statement is hypocrisy at it's finest.

      Have a nice evening.

    4. Aisling

      Aisling

      Thank you Caesar for being able to take a step back and take a different look at things. While it may have taken a bit of time, at least you are able to and able to openly admit it, it's more than many people can say for themselves after all.

    5. Nihoolious

      Nihoolious

      Caesar, didn't we have an argument a week or so back where I said staff shouldn't be robots and you said staff need to be harsher?

    6. Rabbit

      Rabbit

      This strikes me as massive hypocrisy seeing as you advocated being strict and actively worked to start flame wars and get people banned. lol give me a break

      Image result for spiderman thread gif 

    7. Caesar

      Caesar

      I said procedural rules. It's not hypocrisy it's a point of disagreement. To be honest I am over caring about the point either way. Do as you wish, it is clear no one in the current team knows what double dipping means. Or atleast not what it originally meant. Considering I was the person who first successfully advocated against true double dipping I would point out that my stance is in fact totally consistent. I understand people like to gloss over important defining words. But I did say "procedural rules". I don't count most if any in game rule breaks as procedural.

      But either way. Do as you wish. Give any amount of points you wish. I stated my opinion but simply don't care enough anymore to fight the issue. If you want to enforce an illogical and inherently contradictory system. Be my guest.

      Meme and unserious responses will be removed. Feel free to disagree with me.

    8. Mexi

      Mexi

      You pushed for this to turn into a court of law but now you've had enough of the points being given and all of a sudden you see this as a gaming community? Are you drunk?

    9. Caesar

      Caesar

      As a side note I was talking more about the forum side of things. I have specific IG rule enforcement disagreements inc the amount of points and settlement rules. But that is something which I am not specifically touching upon here.

    10. William

      William

      k

    11. Nihoolious

      Nihoolious

      Caesar you use a lot of big words and make well thought out responses, but literally none of this matters if you flip flop on your opinions every other week. I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish here with this rant but all it is doing is giving people a platform to call you out on. You are allowed to post your opinion, but at this point I'd just stop trying as it doesn't seem to be turning out well for you.

    12. Mexi

      Mexi

      tbh if you don't get in game your opinion should be void, but.. Yano, that's just me.

    13. Rabbit

      Rabbit

      People don't dislike you and this status because you're wrong about the rules, they dislike it/you because you were the biggest rules lawyer / most sensitive member of staff about rule breaks and now all of a sudden you're acting like a hero of the people defending them against unfair rules. (This is the definition of hypocrisy, in case you didn't understand the word) 

      You actively seemed to try and ban as many people as you possibly could seemingly because you didn't like them and now this? If you're not going to get in game just leave like me and the people you forced out?

    14. Rabbit

      Rabbit

      Is this a who we miss thread @Dew?

      I miss Castiel, Andrey, and Shadows... I wonder why they're gone?

      I bet they'd be active members of the community if they remembered they have DayZ installed!

    15. Dew

      Dew

      @Rabbit No, but Thumper had always used to ask staff to relax with the points ever since I could remember. 

    16. Caesar

      Caesar

      1. Disregard my opinion because I don't play? So be it. That is your choice. I don't plan to either. Can't really blame you for that.

      @Nihoolious. You will have to remind me of the context. I am specifically talking about procedural issues. Including things like templates and removing rules like necroing. Also NSFW as a rule should be looked at.

      I admit I have partook in this pissing contest. People are kidding themselves if they continue to deny the fact that their friends started it and it continued from there. I never said I have been 100% in the right. In my case bridges were burned with people mentioned previously. It's sad really. I originally wanted to work with them. But after being accused of doing it just for the badge + other thing I had no reason to hold back upon leaving staff. Although it's likely we both read a little too much into each other's comment. While a few were relates. Not all were. I can't remember a %.

      Look. I could still theoretically bury the hatchet. My opinions wont sway much but if certain people and their friends saw their way into civility as well I would ask for their reinstatement. Hell they could all become admins. Let them try their way for all I care.

      I had a certain vision. At least with "double dipping" I wasn't the only one. It was changed for the worse and more than a few agreed. I am glad I don't have to enforce a system that is too harsh is some circumstances but illogically lax in others.

    17. Caesar

      Caesar

      I suppose you could say. The punishment should fit the crime. For example 2 in game rule breaks are worse than one. So a harsher penalty make sense. We did a good thing with systemic cautions. But I would do away with punishments for templates entirely. Replace with hiding the posts, like we close non compliant appelas/reports. Emote only radio chatter should also be hidden and never warned. Overly hostile radio chatter responses shouldn't be a thing. But if so, hide them also. I have other thoughts that I could state but I gotta go.

  19. Caesar

    Caesar

    In my experience some people don't even try to hide their self interest, let alone overcome it. They strive to bask in it's glow and push others into serving it. It would be refreshing if not so destructive.

  20. Caesar

    Caesar

    “People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive.” 
    ― Blaise Pascal

    “Subjectivity measures nothing consistently.” 
    ― Toba Beta

  21. Caesar

    Text RP Breakers

    I personally believe that if you as a text RPer find it difficult to keep up with a reasonable speed of conversation that is a problem that should have been considered before you decided down on this path. That is a very good reason why I never became a text RPer. I understand that text RPing has benefits. But adding more allowances for text RPers when it come down to their choice annoys me. I fully support your ability to text RP. But I suggest that in order to do it, you should be able to continue the flow of conversation without requiring special allowances.
  22. Caesar

    Manchester

    It sounds good, until you realize that is what got us here in the first place. Time for the west to focus on the west. Get our forces and military equipment out of these areas, hopefully the people in these countries can eventually stabilise them on their own. We are simply not helping. All we are doing is creating further instability and putting a target on our backs. Let the middle east fight their own wars. EDIT: In case it isn't obvious, these attacks are pure barbarism and I hope everyone involved in such brutal acts the most painful deaths possible. My condolences go out to all those affected.
  23. Caesar

    Rule changes to reduce subjectivity

    This wont happen....... The system is ambigious by design. Rolle is entirely happy with that fact and he passionately hates any form of consistency. As it stands I do not think Rolle can be convinced against this. I know I and others have made made plenty of arguments to this effect to no avail. I could be wrong but I do believe a a majority of admins are also ok with this barring a few examples, like adding distances. Don't quote on that last bit. I am not 100% sure. Removing subjectivity when the owner will fight against any form of consistency is an exercise in futility unless he excuses himself from the rule changes entirely. I don't see it happening. Examples of ambiguity I can think of. NLR and ghosting distances. Why metagaming is ok if you fuck it up. Why the person that baits gets 3 days while his hapless friends can get 7. Hell if you want to talk consistency which is related the staff cannot even present a unified look when presenting verdicts. You have admins and GM's free forming or using their own touch of flair. I've always believed consistency in both presentation and effect is a cornerstone of instilling faith in a system and it's outcomes. "It's not a defect, it's a feature."
  24. Caesar

    Caesar

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  25. Caesar

    NLR Clarification needed

    That's a little inconsistent with how we treat other matters such as combat log. I was surprised when I reentered staff that even 30 second or perhaps smaller was enough to punish someone. The problem with going for the subjective call of how bad something is where does it stop? Is 980m ok? 970m? 950m? 900m? If these distances are ok. Shouldn't they be the minimum? No, staff should pick a minimum and rule based off it. Anything less will lead to claims of bias and inconsistency. If you want to do something like this. Make a standard of x% under will be unpunished. But once again. If you do this than you may as well reduce ghe distance. The standard should be 1500m's. It's a good number that ensures no shenanigans are had. For people that respawn in the area they must leave through the most direct route out of the zone only.
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