John Caboose POV
Me and the boys were in Cherno and we spotted some cars outside of the trading post. So we thought we might steal them. Then we saw the guard and thought maybe just take the wheels and make a chop shop. When we took the first wheel the guard initiated on us. he said something like put it back or i'll shoot. If PVP was what we wanted we would have killed him there. Instead one of our guys went out and talked to the guard and after a few moment he said he didn't care anymore and you can take them, so we did. This is not griefing after we took the car parts they belonged to use and can do with them as we please. So we tried to sell on the corner and RP'd using them for scrap metal. After a little while a few more guards were in the tower and one of us heard him say they were going to kill us all so we fled. They found me and soon after initiated one me. When they initiated that gives my dynamic kill rights. They took me to a house and tied me up and I tried to lie my way out. I was told if anyone interferes they will kill me. I was tied up and had no way to tell my guys this. When they started taking shots they killed me. I am not part of an approved group and no negotiation were made to release me.
I will address every accusation one by one.
Griefing - We were told we could take it. After that what we do with the newly acquired stuff isn't up to them. it is our stuff to do with as we please.
NVFL - Lying to a hostage taker has never been NVLF. You are allowed to lie it is a part of RP and is in no way against the rules. I had no way to tell my guys not to get involved at them and the hostage takers never to my knowledge told them I would be killed if they did. I don't know if you expected me to tell them that even though I was tied up and had no way to.
Baiting - If we were baiting why did we not kill the guard when he initiated on us the first time and why did we leave before you even came out of your gate. This was never about PVP.
KOS - You were seen coming out of the house you had me in and where my dead body was, shot at while you ran and chased in a house. They follow you the whole way and even if they didn't know you personally pulled the trigger there is no doubt you were involved. 4.6 If you successfully capture a player through a hostile action and then take him into your custody, he is now considered your hostage. You must do everything in your power to keep your hostages alive and in a relatively good health. That includes protecting them from external threats like zombies and leaving them with a realistic chance of survival when they are released. A character that is taken hostage may be executed once for a hostile incident that happened in the past where the hostage was personally responsible for, or participated in a death of your ally. In any other circumstances, hostages may only be executed in the following scenarios:
Metagamming - I muted right as I put my hands up. One of my guys was on the PD right behind you heard the initiation saw you take me and followed you. If I wasn't going to meta to save my life as a hostage by telling them not to shoot you why would I do it after I died? As for no one talking around the building. If my guys can hear my voice outside the building why would they need to ask anything. They saw you take me and watched you go to that house.
0 IC sense - we are contractors I told you that we hold no loyalties to you.
0 RP - We RP'd with your guard more than anyone probably had in hours. We even tried to get him to buy our scrap metal. We left because you said you were going to kill us. When you say things like that of course we are going to leave.
As for bringing up the past. I am sorry you and your guys crashed a week ago. I'm not telepathic I had no way of knowing you crashed until one of your guys went ooc in voip to tell us. It is not AOGM when someone else crashes and you keep looking for them when you have no idea they crashed.