Honestly the safezone idea is fucking stupid in my opinion. The whole idea of the apocalypse is that you aren't safe ANYWAYS, no matter how safe you feel. A lot of people made camps like 101 and got salty when people attacked it. It makes sense for the camp to be attacked. IC, people will want those resources to survive. I get why you're mad, but chill out. Let the players make their own safezones and protect people from dying through RP. Simply adding rules that protect people only RUINS RP.
Now people are saying maybe this will only possibly be for a bit when the infection first hits. Why not just let people protect the settlements through actual good RP and being mature? Are we REALLY not capable of being mature?
Emotes can do plenty, trust me. There is a time and place for different types of RP, this is one of those. I want to ask, what is the purpose you find in being able to speak when you are told not to speak? Isn't that NVFL and therefore can be a rulebreak / get you killed? You need to allow for more realistic RP and you'll find you'll be much more immersed and enjoy the experience more. Don't hold yourself back.
You do own the hostage. We are talking realistically here. Want to be in charge of your body? Don't get taken hostage. Don't want to get taken hostage? Too bad.
This is a suggestion that would change the rules so don't bring up the rules we're aiming to change here. I know we're not aiming to change the rules of hostages in a general sense, but gagging is special and would modify the rules. Keep an open mind.
I'm going to first of all link this thread because it relates to this immensely. Thank you @Tony.
We are trying to roleplay a realistic apocalypse. When you are a hostage, you aren't in control of yourself, the other person holding the gun is in control in both a realistic sense AND in our rules. You don't want to be gagged? Too fucking bad. You can STILL RP. You just can't TALK. There is a difference people. RP includes emoting. Your emotes can change the situation drastically, it doesn't have to be words. You can emote crying which might swing the person holding the gun's emotions to let you go. Obviously that's hypothetical, but it's possible.
Also, you shouldn't have to GIVE permission to be gagged. It doesn't fucking matter whether or not you're gagged in the eyes of the hostage. If you're not gagged and you talk when you shouldn't talk the person with the gun will just shoot you. If you don't talk, why does it matter whether or not it's because you got gagged? Just so you have the freedom to disobey the person holding a gun? That seems pretty stupid. Along with that, let's say you escape the situation. Isn't it easy to just remove the gag from your mouth?
People, as Tony has said, remove this fucking invisible barrier and allow immersive and realistic RP. That's what you're here for, right?
Not true. You CAN RP. You just can't TALK. The person should not be talking if the person holding the gun wants them quiet, that's NVFL. There are plenty of other ways to RP. You can emote a struggle, you can emote trying to wiggle, you can emote starring at the weapon, perhaps waiting for a chance to break out, you emote grunting. MAYBE YOU CAN EMOTE TRYING TO CHEW THROUGH THE GAG. THAT WOULD BRING UP RP! There are SO many ways of bringing up good RP without talking, and you being a great RPer would know that. Don't let there be the invisible barrier.
I completely agree. Thing is that I learned is that technically raising your gun at someone and saying "Who are you?" or something realistic like that is TECHNICALLY an initiation, and 90% of this server are a bunch of triggerhappy fucks looking for pvp. They can't accept that THAT is how someone would approach a situation.
I cannot agree with you enough bro, everything you have said is extremely true and I hope people listen to this.
All I was asking was what people think about the realism in Dayz Public and DayzRP, I understand how you thought I was suggesting it though, and I edited it because I realized that I had said that, but I simply want to know what you guys think is realistic in DayzRP and Dayz Public and how they are different.
I see your points though, and I definitely don't mean that DayzRP should allow KOS, that would be horrible, but I was just simply saying there might be a way to add natural fear rather than having to RP it.
Personally I have no idea. I just believe as a community if we really tried hard to make a new system, it could work. I am mainly just looking for what people think.
What do you guys think when it comes to realism compared to Dayz Public and DayzRP because that was the main idea I was trying to question.
Okay, I understand that many of you have certain bias towards public because of KOS, but hear me out.
I want your opinions on realism of Dayz when it comes to both DayzRP and public. Personally, I feel that certain parts of Dayz Public are more realistic than DayzRP. For example, I find that interactions WHEN THEY OCCUR in Dayz Public are way more realistic than DayzRP. Not because people RP, because they never do, but because there is ACTUAL TENSION. People don't act like "Oh I'm safe they can't kill me unless they initiate and if I just comply I'm fine." EIther one of you could pull out a gun and pull the trigger within a second, taking the other's life. That is a huge deal. There are trust issues, people get scared. Now, if someone decides to hold you up in public and you comply, THEY CAN KILL YOU, EVEN IF YOU COMPLY. When you are begging for your life in DayzRP, you are literally begging for your life in Dayz Public. I have had it happen many times where I've been held up and I have had to beg for my life, pleading not to be shot. In DayzRP, you don't get that emotion. Now, another thing is that people in Dayz Public are not as common to see because people are terrified because they know that can happen. So, you might scout someone out, see what they do. It's more intense to meet someone, you are more reserved, IT IS WHAT WE AIM TO HAVE HAPPEN HERE.
Now, in Dayz Public these amazing interactions are not common because 90% of people KOS. That is not a problem in DayzRP. Another problem is that people in Dayz Public don't want to RP being in the actual apocalypse, and to be fair they don't have to.
So what do you guys think?
I completely agree with you. Firefights are extremely important. But a lot of people focus purely on firefights and don't care about the outcome in the RP. Whether that be not RPing out injuries, not willing to accept defeat overall, getting salty, etc. There are many problems with the community and how it RPs, and it won't get fixed if the community doesn't care.
I don't think we should change the rules to fit my mindset, but I am simply pointing out what can realistically happen and how it contrasts with what we RP.
Well that is a problem! There needs to be something to fix that, because that is a VERY realistic way of dealing with a situation. Honestly, it probably just needs to come from the community though.
You have a point, and I do agree that it will most likely turn into mass KOS and RDM due to the lack of maturity in this community, but honestly I am just trying to prevent more rules being put in place to further ruin the RP. I believe we need to see the change from the community and see less trigger-happy assholes but instead people who are interested in RPing.
No. Stop. We don't need more fucking rules. People can use common sense. If you run into an ACTIVE FIREFIGHT AND DIE, that is YOU being an idiot. Not the fault of the people in the firefight.
Rules hurt the RP. People need to use common sense when thinking how THEIR CHARACTER would think, NOT THEMSELVES OOC. If you don't hear shots and you get shot, that sucks, but it's real life. Maybe you should be more cautious? That's REALISM. You could be shot at ANY point by ANYONE. You could walk up to someone and they could pull a gun and blow your brains out, you have no idea. Thing is, RULES DEFEAT THAT. People walk up knowing they can't be shot and act that way as well. It's fucking stupid.
Thing that sucks is there is nothing you can really do in that situation. Perhaps if you don't have your gun out they much reinitiate, but honestly there is not much you can do. To be fair, you are an unknown with a gun in your possession. You could be bait. You could have some sort of trick up your sleeve. They don't know. It's not always because they think it's funny or NVFL. There might be a fight still going on, but they are just trying to figure out where the enemy is. See? There are many different scenarios THAT ARE POSSIBLE WITH OUR RULES.