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    Bro did Evan get PK´d?

    1. EvanPVE

      EvanPVE

      Yup, by staff.

  2. EvanPVE

    What do you listen to ?

  3. EvanPVE

    S2 - Vybor RDM

    POV There is a guy in Vybor constantly yelling stuff over the PA system and using his megaphone. He is basically talking trash about about everything, peoples skin color, religion, directly insulting people and so on. He also yelled about his god the water goat? Yelled for food 200times even though he could just go to the store and ask for some and he did, but then he started yelling about it again 2 minutes later. We tell him multiple times to quit doing it in MANY different ways, some nice, some less nice. He started targeting me, so I had some banter going back and forwards with him, him insulting me, me insulting him and so on. I check the town a few times for more people, since no one is stupid enough to do this and be alone. I find 2 people (later we discovered that there was one more) I walk inside the green house located right behind the school and hear a man putting away his weapon, I walk upstairs and see a man with an SVD pointed directly at @Xeno position, he casually acts like he was just looting and I then runs off, entirely out of town, not suspicious at all. I then go searching around town again, where I see a man inside the electrical building, he opens the door the second I walk past and uses it as a shield, also rather close to the school (I believe this is the man who killed me). Then we come to the initiation, my assumption of these two people being with him came true, I initiate from the lower level of the school with the CTF, pointing guns and all, but in a position where I couldn’t instantly get one tapped by the OP and I run upstairs to assist the CTF and hear gunshots flying, i then quickly run back down and up again (As seen in the video) I then see all 3 CDF people dead on the ground and @Xeno looting them / standing close to them. I quickly take action and shoot @Xeno (Since I thought he actually killed them), I had kill rights anyway, since he didn't comply. We run around town trying to find the two people I saw earlier. (This part may be out of order or not entirely true, since I will bring over what I remember from me and @Bsigos discord conversation) @Bsigo then takes fire (without being initiated on) and spots one and kills him, he tells me the location of the second person and tells me that he has him pinned down in a building up in the field. @Bsigo was wrong. I try to run up to the small shed, but a man pops out of the wall next to the gas station and kills me. the rest is basically just me listening to callum bragging about how he is a PVP god and killed all of them. - @Bsigo also pointed out that he met @Ingvalid in town who was shot multiple times by @Xeno friends, but they will have to explain that part since I was already dead. - @Xeno also stopped a bit to many times in his RP for me not to think OOC coms were used. -I find it funny how @Xenos friends still had kills rights after not RP'ing with him for way over an hour, the situation at the school building alone lasted 30+ minutes and all the stuff prior lasted over an hour. At no point did he communicate IC with these people, and we/I know that since we had people following him 24/7 (One of them being @Bsigo) -I would consider the entire thing baiting and RDM from their side, there is no way DEFENDERS rights transferred through RP (Since they are not an approved group) Would last way over an hour and he most definitely baited people to initiate on him, shit talking everyone and everything for way over and hour, even after being asked nicely and not so nicely MULTIPLE time. -I have also never met this person before, like never and he started saying ‘’I know your name’’ ‘’It starts with an E, then a V’’ at this point he realized it would be OOC and said ''Then T'' like anyone would be called EVT. The OP never spoke about it again. (This POV was written before @Ingvalid and @Bsigo posted their POV's, so my confusions may be answered) Since I am going to be asked for video, I have none, but a snagged a few screenshots. These are the only ones that would make sense to post. @Voodoo @Randy
  4. EvanPVE

    S2 - Vybor RDM

    @Voodoo I would like the POV from @Bsigo and everyone he killed doing the incident, since they were directly involved and never posted their POV on the other report. -I would also like a POV @Ingvalid since she was there and possibly shot by @Xenos friends. My POV will be posted the second @Xeno posts the ''Evidence'' he showed the first time (unedited) and the 2.5+ min clip he says he has.
  5. 𝙿𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝙰 𝚖𝚒𝚜𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚌𝚎𝚍, 𝚘𝚙𝚛𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚒𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚌, 𝚛𝚎𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚜𝚑, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚌𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚁𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚕𝚎𝚏𝚝 𝚋𝚎𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚢 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚋𝚛𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚒𝚗 𝚊 𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚌𝚎 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚜𝚘 𝚏𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚕𝚒𝚊𝚛. 𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝚚𝚞𝚎𝚜𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚟𝚎, 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚏𝚞𝚗 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚜𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚠𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚑𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚕𝚎𝚏𝚝 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑. 𝚆𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚍, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚖𝚊𝚢. 𝚂𝚝𝚊𝚢𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚘𝚛 𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚢𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚘 𝚍𝚒𝚏𝚏𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚗𝚌𝚎. 𝙿𝚊𝚜𝚝 𝙰 𝚊𝚛𝚛𝚘𝚐𝚊𝚗𝚝, 𝚌𝚞𝚗𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚐, 𝚌𝚢𝚗𝚒𝚌𝚊𝚕, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚓𝚘𝚢𝚏𝚞𝚕 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚐 𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝚕𝚎𝚏𝚝 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚌𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚘𝚛 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚌𝚎𝚜 𝚑𝚎 𝚗𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚢 𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚍𝚎𝚜. 𝚆𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚁𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚐𝚘𝚗𝚎, 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚁𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚕𝚘𝚜𝚝, 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚁𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚕𝚎𝚏𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎. 𝙰 𝚛𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚖𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚜, 𝚛𝚎𝚖𝚘𝚟𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚒𝚗𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚙𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚊𝚗 𝚒𝚗𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚙𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚎 𝚁𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚊𝚜 𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚢 𝚊𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚝. 𝙲𝚑𝚒𝚕𝚍𝚑𝚘𝚘𝚍 𝙰 𝚋𝚞𝚕𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚍, 𝚘𝚞𝚝𝚌𝚊𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚍, 𝚒𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚙𝚘𝚗𝚜𝚒𝚋𝚕𝚎, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚊𝚍𝚊𝚙𝚝𝚊𝚋𝚕𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚐 𝚖𝚊𝚗, 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚌𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚗𝚎𝚠 𝚠𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚗 𝚊 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚙𝚞𝚝𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚝𝚠𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚊𝚠. 𝚂𝚎𝚎𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚁𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚛𝚘𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚙𝚞𝚕𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚠𝚊𝚢 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚙𝚘𝚠𝚎𝚛 𝚘𝚛 𝚌𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚍𝚘 𝚊𝚗𝚢𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐. 𝙼𝚒𝚜𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚌𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗 𝚊 𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚌𝚎 𝚠𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚗𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚍𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 𝚏𝚘𝚘𝚝, 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚠𝚎 𝚌𝚊𝚗 𝚍𝚘 𝙸𝚜 𝚠𝚊𝚒𝚝.
  6. 𝙿𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝙰 𝙻𝚘𝚜𝚝, 𝚆𝚒𝚕𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚐, 𝙳𝚎𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚜𝚊𝚗𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚐 𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝚕𝚎𝚏𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚛𝚘𝚝 𝚒𝚗 𝚊 𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚌𝚎 𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚘𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠. 𝙾𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚚𝚞𝚎𝚜𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚍𝚛𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚑𝚒𝚖 𝚝𝚘 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚞𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚚𝚞𝚎𝚜𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚏𝚒𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚒𝚖𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚜. 𝙽𝚘𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚐𝚘, 𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚍𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚚𝚞𝚒𝚝𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚊𝚗 𝚘𝚙𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗. 𝙾𝚗𝚎 𝚐𝚘𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚗, 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚗𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚜𝚝𝚘𝚙𝚜. 𝙿𝚊𝚜𝚝 𝙰 𝚝𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚋𝚕𝚎𝚍, 𝚙𝚘𝚠𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚞𝚕, 𝚊𝚌𝚑𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚍𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚎𝚗𝚎𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚐 𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝚕𝚎𝚏𝚝 𝚏𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚌𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚝𝚛𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝙱𝚛𝚒𝚝𝚊𝚒𝚗. 𝚆𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚁𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚘𝚜𝚝 𝚍𝚛𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚊 𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚌𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎𝚐𝚊𝚗, 𝚋𝚊𝚌𝚔 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚌𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚑𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚘𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚋𝚊𝚌𝚔 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚕 𝚏𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚕𝚢, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎𝚜 𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚘𝚜𝚝, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚌𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚛𝚎𝚞𝚗𝚒𝚝𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝙶𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝 𝙱𝚛𝚒𝚝𝚊𝚒𝚗. 𝙲𝚑𝚒𝚕𝚍hood 𝙰 𝚞𝚗𝚒𝚚𝚞𝚎, 𝙷𝚘𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚝, 𝚛𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚊𝚋𝚕𝚎, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚜𝚙𝚕𝚒𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚐 𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝚝𝚛𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚍 𝚋𝚎𝚝𝚠𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚊𝚠𝚜𝚞𝚒𝚝𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚌𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚝𝚛𝚢 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚘𝚠𝚗. 𝚂𝚎𝚎𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚁𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚑𝚎 𝚌𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚋𝚛𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚙𝚞𝚕𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚞𝚙𝚘𝚗 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚎𝚢𝚎𝚜, 𝚙𝚞𝚕𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚊 𝚌𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚝𝚛𝚢 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚑𝚘𝚖𝚎, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚑𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚏𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚕𝚢 𝚒𝚜.
  7. EvanPVE

    The War between Campfire makers vs Military LARPers

    There has been a bad ratio in the past and there properly will be again, that is simply why i touched on the topic. Also, i know calling a group ''hostile'' or ''hero'' is pretty vague, but it is the meaning behind it in general, you could say ''good'', ''neutral'', ''bad''. All groups fall under at least one of these, some maybe even ''good'' and ''bad'', depends on how you look at it. I see the problem stemming from groups (not the ratios, but groups in general) Like minded people tent to stay together, that can be good or bad, depends on the situation, but if you like ''Campfire RP'' you stay with ''Campfire RPers'' and most do nothing else and the same goes for ''Military LARPers''. I personally stopped being in a group just because i HATED to be put in a box saying that i am either ''good'' or ''bad'' and i didn't want to do just one thing either. There are some groups that completely breaks the stereotypes and are overall just perfect in my opinion (I am not mentioning the groups that i see bad for obvious reasons.) I know this group would technically fall under being ''Hostile'', some could argue ''Neutral'' for some members, but one group i feel like mastered the ratio of their RP and did it pretty good, Is The Dead Batteries. There are others, don't get me wrong, this is just my number one. I'm glad we could agree on a few things, haha.
  8. EvanPVE

    The War between Campfire makers vs Military LARPers

    I don't agree with people who are 99% ''Campfire RPers'' or people who are 99% ''Military LARPers''. I personally feel like there should be a mix of both, but it should be out of balance favoring RP (Campfire RP) Campfire RP can be fun, interesting and you can developing some pretty good understandings about your own character and others, but for people who choose the hostile way of playing is great, i personally enjoy hostile RP more than i enjoy Campfire RP. But people who only ''RP'' to be hostile/PVP or only ''RP'' to sit in a base in the middle of nowhere is not how i see a future for this server. ''Military LARPers'' should do a bit more of normal RP, i agree, but ''Campfire RP'ers'' should also understand that there is a place for PVP and hostile RP, you can't simply talk everything out. Everyone should do a bit of both at some point in their characters life, but i personally think it should be divided 30/70 or maybe (with emphasis on maybe) 20/80 favoring RP over PVP. And if we are talking about groups, 1, 2, 3 hostile/PVP groups is more than enough in my book. But you start crossing the line when there is 4,5,6 hostile groups with 10,15,20 members in each and half or all of them are allied with each other. I'm not saying there should be 2 hostile/PVP groups and then 8 hero groups constantly being against them, i'm saying maybe 2-3 hostile/pvp groups, a few hero groups, a few neutral groups and maybe sprinkle a few groups who are a mix of both? you can really play this out in many different ways. -But all 100% PVP focused groups should be set to 0. As a wise young lady once said ''The best of both worlds'' If you get this, you are a legend
  9. EvanPVE

    EvanPVE's Ban Appeal

    @Zanaan I was told questions like these could not be answered by staff while my appeal was active, so i implemented them in the report. -Also, the latest post i made regarding these questions were closed, another reason to why i would like to keep them here. -It doesn't matter if they aren't being answered in the appeal, as long as i get them answered afterwards.
  10. EvanPVE

    Proper initiation

    @CamoRP How would you tell a part an Initiation and Strongarming then fx.? And how do you make sure both parties 100% know the intent? There must be some way people gain kill rights according to the rules, Like with Defender Rights and Attacker Rights or is it just a guessing game? Do i have to sit there and think ''Is this guy strongarming me for my guns or is he initiating?'' ''Does he gain kills rights if i walk away or does he not?'' And if the rules were like that, surely everyone who gets reported would just say ''But my intent was this'' or ''I didn't know his intent was that''. -Sorry for the bombs of questions, you are just the first person with another opinion to mine that I feel like i can have a proper discussion with. I would happily take it here or over DM's
  11. EvanPVE

    Proper initiation

    @Ducky Could you please just keep it on topic or off the discussion? There is obviously a ''What do you think?'' at the top, i simply want people's opinions.
  12. EvanPVE

    Proper initiation

    @Ducky This is a community discussion not an ask staff. since the rule apparently is open to peoples own interpretation and can be done in a multitude of different ways, I wanted to see what people have experienced, how they have done it in the past and/or what they think is needed in a proper initiation. please keep things on topic and respectful.
  13. EvanPVE

    EvanPVE's Ban Appeal

    Link to the source of punishment (report/post): Why the verdict is not fair: If you follow the rules, read previous verdict and the fact that it was preached throughout the community that you need to show and/or tell people that their life is in danger in some way, shape or form. The fact that i was surrounded by 6-7 people all 1. talking normally to me until 2seconds before i was shot someone raised his voice 2. Pointing no guns at any given time doing this incident and 3. never gave me any quintessences, direct or even indirect threats to my life. I tried to draw out aggression and RP, but instead i got shot without any real reason other that ''He might shoot, so lets shoot him first''. I will state the same things that i stated doing the report: I was being detained, not robbed or anything in that manner. If all 7 of you posed a threat to me i would never have pulled out my gun, but since all 7 or how many of you there were all had your guns lowered and was just talking to us, i saw to threat against me or my friend. You NEVER have your guns on your back either, so all 7 of you having your guns out didn't even change the situation at all. ______________________________________________ 4. Hostile actions are player interactions where you or your group members lives are threatened by other players, you are forced to do something against your will under threat of violence, someone is stealing from you, etc. For example, if someone is telling you to drop your weapon and put your hands up or else you will die, he is committing a hostile action against you. -It is explained 3 TIMES in the rules and i still got banned and the person who shot me faced no quintessences? If it is mentioned 3 times in the rules, there must be something behind it right? My life was never threatened, as sentence 1 says, there was NEVER any mention of violence and there was no version of ''or else you will die'' ______________________________________________ 4.1 All initiations and hostile actions as well as their demands and conditions must be made clear and unambiguous to all involved players. Hostile actions or initiations must be done personally and on specific targets who must be aware who the attacker is, for example they cannot be done remotely through radio or PA system. - No conditions were made either? ______________________________________________ I will state the same things that i stated doing the report: How can detaining someone without showing any direct threat or making any direct threats over VOIP be an initiation OR a direct threat to someones life? If you had simply pointed your guns, given us consequences or anything like that, then you would have been a direct threat AND it would have been a proper initiation. This counts more as strongarming. ______________________________________________ I will state the same things that i stated doing the report: 1. Guns out doesn't mean hostile intent or that my life is threatened. Pointing your gun at me would have made it a huge difference. -Imagine me walking up to someone and telling them that they are being detained with my guns drawn but not pointed and then 5-10 seconds later shooting them because they didn't ''comply'' in what world do you think that is okay? 2. The word detained is not a threat or hostile. Telling people to put their guns down without any consequences is not a threat or an hostile act, it is a request. -Since no direct threats were shown or told this would fall under strongarming and in a strongarming situation you have no right to kill the person if they do not comply. 3. I was approached, since when is being approached a hostile act or a threat to my life? 4. Calling in NVFL is just insane, if you at any point had told or shown that my life was in danger the entire situation would have been different. It's not on me to sit and think if you are being hostile or not, if my life was in danger or not and so on, YOU HAVE TO SHOW OR TELL ME. ______________________________________________ I read through countless reports involving initiations, and in most if not all of them the initiation involved some kind of direct threat to someones life ''Put your hands up or you will be shot only warning'', ''Put your hands up or i will shoot'', ''Put your hands up or die'' ''Hands up or die'' Everyone hands up or you will be shot'' ''Surrender or we will open fire'' just to mention a few. ______________________________________________ ''Initiations have been based on tone and intent since new rules were added several months ago. Note how we no longer list all possible scenarios how an initiation should be made like we did in the mod where you had a static "Drop weps, <timer>, <condition>, <consequence>!" which made the RP around it sooo boring and repetetive. Instead we leave initiations open to the players and allow them to be creative only requiring the initiation to be delivered properly and be clear to everyone that it is indeed an initiation.'' -It was most definitely unclear to me that i would be shot if i pulled out my gun, i would have expected aggression, weapons pointed, loud yelling, AN ACTUAL INITIATION and so on. -"Drop weps, <timer>, <condition>, <consequence>!" But you need some of them right? I mean all that was made in this ''initiation was the ''Drop weps'' part. ______________________________________________ initiations have been based on tone and intent since new rules were added several months ago. Note how we no longer list all possible scenarios how an initiation should be made like we did in the mod where you had a static "Drop weps, <timer>, <condition>, <consequence>!" which made the RP around it sooo boring and repetetive. Instead we leave initiations open to the players and allow them to be creative only requiring the initiation to be delivered properly and be clear to everyone that it is indeed an initiation. -How will you determine if it is clear to everyone? Apparently the staff was unsure of it, A LOT of staff even, so how can you determine it? -If this isn't mentioned in the rules and the rules state something else 3 times, how would you expect people to know this? I have NEVER been robbed/initiated one without anyone either pointing a gun at me and/or directly threatening my life. I have been told by members and staff MANY times to include a DIRECT THREAT when robbing/initiating on someone. ______________________________________________ Now why was my character PK'd? I know it is normal procedure doing NVFL, but i didn't shoot anyone? i didn't try to shoot anyone? I didn't go against consequences? I pulled a gun on someone who was trying to ''strongarm'' me using different word than usual. I simply tried to make the RP interesting and more appealing than them yelling at us, then questioning to us for 10 minutes and telling us not to come back. In my opinion and apparently 49% of the staff's opinion, let alone with several community members opinion, i was never properly initiated on, so why is it fair to PK my character? ______________________________________________ initiations have been based on tone and intent since new rules were added several months ago. Note how we no longer list all possible scenarios how an initiation should be made like we did in the mod where you had a static "Drop weps, <timer>, <condition>, <consequence>!" which made the RP around it sooo boring and repetetive. Instead we leave initiations open to the players and allow them to be creative only requiring the initiation to be delivered properly and be clear to everyone that it is indeed an initiation. - Using this statement by @Roland i can say pretty much anything and call it an initiation? I don't have to give any consequences, give any form of direct threat, it being verbally or shown. I can simply say ''I here by take your freedom! Put your gun away'' Or outnumber set person 3-1 and say ''You are now my slave'' and if he refuses, walks away or anything like that, i can shoot him? -Leaving EVERYTHING to people to do as they feel like is the wrong way to do things, this will CLEARLY cause trouble, there should be some pointers, fx. LIKE IN THE RULES! Why, just why, would 98% of initiation ALWAYS contain pointing guns and given consequences/threats if they didn't think it was needed or stated so in the rules? One may think they are having fun and joking, 10seconds later he is dead. One may think he is being strongarmed, 10 seconds later he is dead. One may think they are just talking , 10seconds later he is dead. ______________________________________________ Why the hell would i pull my gun out and not shoot if i was going for NVFL? I didn't even try, MY GUN WAS NEVER RAISED. One could say that i didn't know and saw NO INITIATION. ______________________________________________ What the community thinks. (I would have liked it to have been longer and have more discussion instead of just answers, but it was closed before it got that far.) ______________________________________________ Instead of completely copying @AndreyQ statements, i am simply going to copy the link to his post (here you will also find @Roland's statement) (some of the replies and discussions were continued or started in PM's, but i respect the fact that they are DM's and not publicly shown) Additional statements/comments explaining your point of view: ''@EvanPVE and his friend fire weapons back into town where infected are, alerting the CDF to their location.'' This statement in the punishment is also wrong: 1. I never shot a single bullet 2. CDF was alerted because of the vast amount of bullets The Watch fired, not because of 3-5bullets? 3. No one was alerted to our location, shots were fired pretty far away from our location, we simply stood and watched. -These three statements alone make me feel like the report wasn't read properly and/or the video wasn't watched with much care. ______________________________________________ How can any of the punishments be remotely fair if sooo many staff members were unsure about it? We are not talking 1 or 2, we are talking a big chunk of the team. ______________________________________________ ''You can't just kill someone because you say "drop your weapon" and nothing happens. There has to be an unambiguous initiation made and it is your job to make sure that the other person hears it. '' What would you like to achieve with this appeal: PK removed, Points removed What could you have done better?: Nothing. I might add things here and there, since i am currently getting opinions (won't be posted unless i am given permission) and reading through hundreds of previous verdicts and reports.
  14. EvanPVE

    Proper initiation

    What does a proper initiation NEED to contain? What do you think?
  15. EvanPVE

    Proper Initiation

    What does a proper initiation NEED to contain?
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