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Server and location:  S1 elektro school building

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME):  2019-10-4 4:00

Your in game name: Thomas jenkins

Names of allies involved: Max amann

Name of suspect/s:  stella, cain

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any):  no

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):  no

Detailed description of the events: 

My friend max had just radioed me that there was people at the center then shortly after I got an emergency signal from his radio. I ran to the center and overserved them leading him away. I followed them to the school. I sat outside as they beat him with a sledgehammer and threatened his life. I also overheard them making threats on my life if they were to find me. I minded my time till they were exiting the building and decided to get the jump on them, killing cain as he stepped outside. stella turned back into the school and proceeded to lock herself into a classroom. we searched the building till we found the room she was hiding in. after breaching the door we realized that she had combat logged to evade the situation.

I time stamped in the chat after we realized she had logged.

Edited by rhothar

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We never said in VOIP that we were hitting him with a sledgehammer, would you mind telling me how you know this?

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because I was able to talk to him directly after and see his face. I could hear the entire conversation you were having during your torture sessions, bood spitting and all.

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Connection Logs:

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02:06:11 | Player "Thomas Jenkins" is connected
- Currently Connected -

02:05:11 | Player "Cain Stephanov" is connected
- Dead -
03:59:15 | Player "Cain Stephanov" has been disconnected

02:27:26 | Player "Stella Williams" is connected
03:59:55 | Player "Stella Williams" has been disconnected

03:27:57 | Player "Max Amann" is connected
- Currently Connected -

Hit Logs:

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03:58:51 | Player "Cain Stephanov" hit by Player "Thomas Jenkins" with PPSKN42 from 8.50675 meters 
03:58:51 | Player "Cain Stephanov" hit by Player "Thomas Jenkins" with PPSKN42 from 8.51621 meters 
03:59:01 | Player "Cain Stephanov" hit by Player "Thomas Jenkins" with PPSKN42 from 3.71869 meters 
03:59:01 | Player "Cain Stephanov" hit by Player "Thomas Jenkins" with PPSKN42 from 3.71869 meters 
03:59:01 | Player "Cain Stephanov" hit by Player "Thomas Jenkins" with PPSKN42 from 3.71869 meters 

03:42:08 | Player "Max Amann" hit by Player "Cain Stephanov"  into Torso(16) for 3.15 damage (MeleeFist)
03:42:37 | Player "Max Amann" hit by Player "Cain Stephanov"  into Head(0) for 3.5 damage (MeleeFist)
03:48:42 | Player "Max Amann" hit by Player "Cain Stephanov" with Sledgehammer

Kill Logs:

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03:58:51 | Player "Cain Stephanov" (DEAD) killed by Player "Thomas Jenkins" with PPSKN42 from 8.51621 meters 

Chat Logs:

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03:31:34 | Chat("Cain Stephanov"): *Searches for radio* // does he find one?
03:31:45 | Chat("Max Amann"): //the one on my chest??
03:38:36 | Chat("Stella Williams"): *She begins searching him, patting him down*
03:41:12 | Chat("Stella Williams"): *She watches him*
03:48:12 | Chat("Max Amann"): *spits blood
03:48:55 | Chat("Max Amann"): *spits blood*
03:49:20 | Chat("Max Amann"): *spits blood*
03:50:05 | Chat("Max Amann"): *spits blood*
03:51:46 | Chat("Cain Stephanov"): *Puts the sword on his shoulder cutting him a little but*
03:51:54 | Chat("Cain Stephanov"): //*bit*
03:52:00 | Chat("Max Amann"): *whinces in pain*
03:52:09 | Chat("Stella Williams"): *She looks away annoyed*
03:57:36 | Chat("Cain Stephanov"): // permission to log off after?
03:57:57 | Chat("Stella Williams"): //Can i log after?
03:58:15 | Chat("Max Amann"): //how far we going
03:58:19 | Chat("Cain Stephanov"): // not far
03:58:29 | Chat("Stella Williams"): // do i have perms to log after ?
03:58:37 | Chat("Max Amann"): //YES
04:08:38 | Chat("Thomas Jenkins"): //timestamp combat log stella

Calling in the following people to post their Point of Views & any video evidence they may have:
@rhothar | Thomas Jenkins | OP
@Coco | Cain Stephanov | POSTED
@radiosalt | Stella Williams | POSTED
@Chimmy Chonga | Max Amann | POSTED

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MY POV: We initiated on Max on the top of the hospital in Electro. Cain pointed his gun at him and instructed him to DROP ALL WEAPONS as well as his radio or he would be shot.  We then took Max hostage, and brought him from the hospital in Electro to the School in Electro. We took him up to the second floor of the school and restrained him with handcuffs. We then searched him and found a pistol on him, along with a few mags for the pistol that contained bullets.. We could have killed him because of that, however we decided not to because it could've been an honest mistake. However we took the pistol from him for the time being. We role played with him for a bit, questioning him, and teasing him a bit. One of the questions we asked Max was "Is Thomas awake?" to which Max replied "No" leading us to believe that Thomas was offline. After a while we decided it would be best to let him go. As we uncuffed him we gave him his gun back so he could defend himself and began to start to walk downstairs to exit the building. Before we got to the door both Cain and I asked Max (OOC) using "//" if we had permission to log out after the hold up as we were getting tired. Max responded with "//YES" letting us know that it was okay to log off. The moment Cain walked out he was shot to death by "Thomas Jenkins" Which seems a bit odd because we had taken Max's radio. Never the less Thomas somehow knew where we were, and what door we were exiting out of. The moment I saw Cain go down I took advantage of the fact that Max told me I could log out and proceeded to run up the stairs, lock myself in a room and log out, as Max had given me permission to do out of character. I would also like to add that "Thomas Jenkins" never initiated on me or even spoke to me in game, not a single word. I never even saw Thomas's character/avatar. We also never heard Max speak to Thomas in game even BEFORE we took his radio.

Edited by radiosalt

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I was out searching the town for supplies when I was alerted by max (through a series of radio button taps alerting an emergency) I assume when they were initially taking him hostage. as I was in the area I immediately ran to the hospital where our community center is located and observed them taking him north so I followed from a distance till they ended up in the school north east of town. I initially sat in the apartment building next to it but I couldn't get  clear view so I snuck up till I could hear their voices at the back side of the building. I sat in wait as they tortured max and questioned him. at one point cain started asking max about some totally random woman and where she was. they tried to ask if he knew where i was and what my sleeping schedule was. there were death threats made towards max and me. stella said she felt like max was not the one to punish so after awhile they decided to let max go if he would leave town or otherwise be shot if he did not. as they were stepping out the back door which I was next too throughout the encounter I decided to use the surprise to my advantage and eliminate cain and stella before they could find me and attempt to kill me. I was able to kill cain but as I turned towards stell she ran back into the building. proceeding with caution, max picked up cains firearm and we entered the building. I heard stella fumbling with a lockpick so we figured she locked herself into one of the classrooms. after clearing the first two floors, we found the locked door on the third floor. we breached the door to find an empty room.

I understand that max had cleared them to log after the situation was over. but in my eyes the situation was not over and she clearly ran and logged after watching her friend get murdered. I would think that logging at that time would be consistent with combat logging since she did not give us a chance to roleplay the situation further.

I feel like I did the right thing for my character as there had been a few tense situations leading up to this encounter including me kicking cain out of the center for abusing the medicine and molesting zombie corpses in from of the hospital. I had even locked the doors on him and had to pull a gun on him after he decided to break in. I believe that because earlier in the day cain had came by and asked if I would spare a storage container to store stellas gear in since she apparently had some sort of accident, and I refused, that they decided to retaliate on us. Max had confirmed with me after he was free that they were angry about me not giving them a storage container.

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Max Amann P.O.V: I wake up and leave a tent in the top level of the Thomas Jenkins Community Center and i see that there are 2 people who are going through our wares, I greeted them in a friendly manner and stayed around the center like my character usually dose when hes awake, I try to handle security needs if there ever should be any at the center, I radioed Thomas on another frequency and let him know there were two customers at the center, also a normal thing for my character to do. I left the second level and talked just a little bit with the guests and even told the gentlemen that the second level tent was also free to look through and reminded them that all the things there were free. He climbed up after not to long and stepped to my right and drew a mean looking rifle and aimed it at me telling me to put my hands up and not move or i would die, stepping in front of me telling me to drop my hands and all my weapons and my radio, i cant remember who but someone //pats for radio do i find one? and i answered //yes, i dropped my radio and my weapons and they led me to the high school north of the Community Center giving good hostage role play, we went to the second level of the building and some torture r.p proceeded. I was beaten pretty well and had a good time but things were not quiet.. i was even told to stop speaking so loud before the torture started but I tend to yell when I'm scared. When they finished they started to lead me out of the building to escort me out of town and asked me //log out after? and i didnt answer rite away. they asked me 3 or 4 times I believe, after the last time I said //yes but it couldnt have been more then a minute after the //yes we left the back door and an Thomas had found us and was forced to gun the male down, I then grabbed his rifle and followed Thomas through the building to find the woman. After a short time i found a locked door and called for Thomas, we unlocked and entered the room to find no one, ruined a fun hostage situation and my immersion.

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@Chimmy Chonga had just logged on and after 5 minutes of him doing so @radiosalt and myself took @Chimmy Chonga hostage inside Elektro Hospital and immediately took his weapons and radio with a IC chat emote ( "*Searches for radio* // does he find one?*" Response:  "//Yes the one on my chest?" ) after this we asked him to drop both his radio and his weapons on the floor and told him "If you have any weapons on you when we search you we will kill you" (VOIP) then, we made sure he did. We then made our way with him to Elektro School and made sure nobody was following us, after this we made our way to the second floor where we locked the door and handcuffed him only to find he still had a secondary on his holster (We could have killed him right there but that would have been shit RP). We then searched him and removed anything he could use against us, after that we asked him if he needed food or water. We then started explaining why we took him hostage in the first place (Earlier we asked his friend @rhothar to help us by providing a container in which we could place some gear in but he refused as he didnt like my character: Cain Stephanov). After explaining we played a game of rock paper scissors which worked like this: Win = Nothing and Lose= Getting hit in the face. So, he lost and i hit him in the head with a sledgehammer (Now this is why i suspect @rhothar  and @Chimmy Chonga metagamed: We never mentioned the sledgehammer in VOIP or in Chat so this makes me believe they were communicating OOCly outside the game using 3rd party software, as we took his radio). After this we wanted to raise the stakes, i asked him if he wanted to bet his life and freedom on a rock paper scissors game against me, he declined and accepted the alternative which was beating him a little bit and then letting him go. After hitting him again we gave him his weapon back with no bullets and his sword, then, we escorted him outside the building but before we got out @radiosalt and myself asked for perms to log off in chat using "//". After he said yes to this i went outside and got immediately shot by @rhothar without any initiation.

Edited by Coco

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my character did not know what item you used to beat max with until he told me after I saved him. his face was clearly beat up and his balaclava was damaged. I could hear the beating taking place from outside. including stella telling cain to stop in a concerned voice.

I would like to also add that our center was somehow ransacked immediately after the event even tho Cain was dead and Stella was offline. Who was metagaming? How would anyone know what had happened if cain is dead and stella sleeping. Seems like some crazy sorta coincidence when the center has been untouched for weeks now.

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@rhothar Can you please clarify where you were when Max indicated through the radio taps he was in trouble? Had you interacted with him in game since he logged in, or just over the radio?

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Max notifies me over the radio when he wakes up so I can go meet with him. I was just heading back that way after he woke and notified me of the visitors.i was by the diner (red brick building) on the west side of electro. The one next to the railroad track's. which is only a few 100 meters from the hospital. Once the distress call came in it was easy to run over there and assess what was happening.

Edited by rhothar

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Summary

@Coco & @radiosalt are looting the center that @Chimmy Chonga owns he and logs in on them doing it. During the brief RP prior to the initiation @Chimmy Chonga alerts @rhothar over the radio of the presence of the accused, then keys out an alert when he is initiated on. He is moved by @Coco and @radiosalt to the school, while @rhothar returns to find them moving, and follows them. They proceed to provide hostile torture RP within the school, and on completing the RP they request permission to log out from @Chimmy Chonga and exit the building. @Coco is killed by @rhothar, and @radiosalt retreats into the building and logs out. 

 

Rulebreaks

@rhothar you killed @Coco without defender rights. While @Chimmy Chonga is your ally you are not in an approved group and you do not share rights unless you have recently roleplayed with him. As he logged in while you were away, and your only contact with him was over the radio prior to the initiation, you do not share kill rights with him.

@radiosalt logged out after her ally was killed. In this specific circumstance we do not find this to be combat-logging, as she was not avoiding roleplay and was not avoiding a valid hostile situation. However, had @rhothar recently roleplayed with  @Chimmy Chonga and had kill rights on you, this would have been determined to be combat logging.

The relevant rules are quoted below:

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4.2 When your life is at risk or you are subjected to a hostile action by other players you are allowed to defend yourself. This is granted by two different "kill rights" that you can gain based on circumstances of the situation like which side caused the hostile situation and which side you are on.

If you are a defender - the one being initiated on or subjected to other hostile actions that threaten your life which you did not start or provoke - you are allowed to defend yourself by gaining  DEFENDER RIGHTS on the attackers. Defender rights allow you to kill attackers for 2 hours or until your character dies. Defender rights can be shared with anyone who you recently role played with as well as all your group members, if you are a part of an approved group.

 

4.5 Combat logging is leaving the server during or shortly after a hostile situation or when your character is still involved in active role play. After a hostile action has occurred where you were involved, you may only log out from the game after a minimum of 30 minutes have passed since you broke the line of sight with others involved in that situation. This rule can be ignored if the other players give you OK to log out earlier.

 

 

Suggestions

@rhothar In the future we would advise you to always initiate first in a hostile situation if you are not sure if you have kill rights or not. You had the opportunity to lay an ambush and provide roleplay, but instead chose to kill those you perceived yourself as having defender rights on due to their capture of your ally. 

 

@radiosalt In the future we would advise you to be careful when logging out of any ongoing situation. The moment your ally was killed there was the very real potential you were in the middle of a valid hostile situation. If you are ever not sure, you must stay in game and roleplay it out or attempt to request permission to log.

 

Verdict

@radiosalt - Combat Logging - NOT GUILTY

@rhothar - Invalid Kill (On Sight) - GUILTY  - 7 Day Ban, 10 warning points

Signed by: @Rover, @Hofer, @Fae

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