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S2 - Stonington Industrial - Killing complying hostage & Invalid Initiation

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Server and location: S2 - Stonington Industrial

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 21:40

Your in game name: Koi Nivek

Names of allies involved: The Niveks

Name of suspect/s: idk

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

Detailed description of the events: 

We went inside a base, then the owners start logging in. We left and then they initiate on us. I get shot almost immediately so I comply. I told them I have to bandage so I go ahead and do that and then put my hand back up but I got shot dead for no reason.

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POV: Logged on due to others being in our base, they cut locks ect. I came up and stayed mostly silent, was more worried about everything going down. Eventually they devided to leave. Upon leaving I heard someone shout hands up and then I was shot.

 

Since we are a dynamic group I would like to state there WAS no initiation upon me, and since I did not initiate I would like to call for Invalid KOS against one of the OPs group members.

 

A more Detailed POV and recording will be provided in due time.

Edited by Drew7822

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Hit logs:

21:40:48 | Player "Koi Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into RightArm(31) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 28.3831 meters 
21:40:48 | Player "Koi Nivek"  hit by Player "Clayton Young" into Torso(24) for 27.5 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 28.3831 meters 
21:41:12 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Francis Williams II into Torso(15) for 30 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 48.5652 meters 
21:41:14 | Player "Kaden Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into LeftArm(32) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 32.4667 meters 
21:41:17 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek" into Torso(12) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 3.99557 meters 
21:41:17 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek” into Torso(14) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 3.58519 meters 

21:41:17 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek" into Torso(7) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 3.58519 meters 
21:41:17 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek” into Torso(15) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 3.33065 meters 
21:41:17 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek" into Torso(24) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 3.26008 meters 
21:41:17 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek" into Lungs(48) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 3.26008 meters 
21:41:17 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek” into LeftArm(22) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 3.16974 meters 
21:41:17 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek" into Torso(24) for 24.5669 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 3.16974 meters 
21:41:17 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek” into Torso(1) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 3.12319 meters 
21:41:17 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek” into Lungs(49) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 3.12319 meters 
21:41:18 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek" into LeftArm(32) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 3.41258 meters 
21:41:19 | Player "Yakone Briggs” hit by Player "Kirill Nivek” into RightArm(17) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 1.59621 meters 
21:41:19 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek” into RightHand(47) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 1.59621 meters 
21:41:19 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek" into RightArm(17) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 1.59621 meters 
21:41:19 | Player "Yakone Briggs" hit by Player "Kirill Nivek" into RightHand(47) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 1.59621 meters 
21:41:19 | Player "Yakone Briggs” hit by Player "Kirill Nivek" into LeftArm(22) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 1.59621 meters 
21:41:20 | Player "Koi Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young” into LeftArm(18) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 27.8971 meters 
21:41:20 | Player "Koi Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young"  into Torso(25) for 27.5 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 27.8971 meters 
21:41:21 | Player "Koi Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into Head(0) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 27.8971 meters 

21:41:34 | Player "Kirill Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into LeftArm(21) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 8.92459 meters 
21:41:34 | Player "Kirill Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into Torso(25) for 27.5 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 8.92459 meters

21:41:36 | Player "Kirill Nivek"  hit by Player "Clayton Young" into RightArm(30) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 9.52023 meters 
21:41:37 | Player "Kirill Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into Torso(24) for 27.5 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 8.67863 meters 
21:41:37 | Player "Kirill Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into LeftArm(22) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 8.0987 meters 
21:41:37 | Player "Kirill Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into Torso(25) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 8.0987 meters 
21:41:37 | Player "Kirill Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into Torso(1) for 38.1102 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 8.0987 meters 
21:41:37 | Player "Kirill Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into Lungs(49) for 38.1102 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 8.0987 meters 
21:41:37 | Player "Kirill Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into RightArm(31) for 32.9134 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 8.0987 meters 
21:41:37 | Player "Kirill Nivek" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into RightArm(31) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 7.72435 meters

21:53:20 | Player "Francis Williams II" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into RightArm(30) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 27.5495 meters 
21:53:20 | Player "Francis Williams II" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into Torso(1) for 27.5 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 27.5495 meters 
21:53:22 | Player "Francis Williams II" hit by Player "Clayton Young" into RightLeg(5) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with AK-101 from 30.9902 meters

21:53:58 | Player "Francis Williams II" hit by Player "Jackson Rivers" into LeftArm(22) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M16A4 from 17.3306 meters 
21:53:58 | Player "Francis Williams II" hit by Player "Jackson Rivers" into RightLeg(3) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M16A4 from 17.3306 meters 

21:54:00 | Player "Francis Williams II" hit by Player "Jackson Rivers" into Torso(15) for 27.5 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M16A4 from 18.1172 meters

21:58:08 | Player "Radim Nivek" hit by Player "Jackson Rivers" into RightArm(19) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M16A4 from 17.9143 meters 
21:58:08 | Player "Radim Nivek" hit by Player "Jackson Rivers" into Torso(24) for 27.5 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M16A4 from 17.9143 meters 
21:58:17 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into Head(0) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 5.86744 meters 

21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftArm(22) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftArm(21) for 25.7008 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into Lungs(48) for 6.15748 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into Torso(24) for 3.07874 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftArm(21) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into RightArm(30) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftArm(21) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek"  into LeftArm(29) for 8.83465 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftArm(21) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftArm(21) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftArm(29) for 17.1339 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into Torso(25) for 8.56693 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into Torso(25) for 1.33858 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.76623 meters 
21:58:18 | Player "Jackson Rivershit hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftArm(21) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 6.80054 meters 
21:58:21 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivekinto LeftArm(18) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 2.12256 meters 
21:58:21 | Player "Jackson Rivers” hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftArm(18) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 2.12256 meters 
21:58:21 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftArm(18) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 2.12256 meters 
21:58:21 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftHand(46) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 2.12256 meters 
21:58:21 | Player "Jackson Rivers" hit by Player "Radim Nivek" into LeftArm(18) for 34 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Saiga-12K from 2.12256 meters

Kill logs:

21:41:17 | Player "Yakone Briggs" killed by Player "Kirill Nivek" with AKM from 3.58519 meters 
21:41:21 | Player "Koi Nivek" killed by Player "Clayton Young" with AK-101 from 27.8971 meters


21:41:37 | Player "Kirill Nivek" killed by Player "Clayton Young" with AK-101 from 8.0987 meters 


21:53:58 | Player "Francis Williams II" killed by Player "Jackson Rivers" with M16A4 from 17.3306 meters 
21:58:17 | Player "Jackson Rivers" killed by Player "Radim Nivek" with Saiga-12K from 5.86744 meters 

Connection logs:

20:38:19 | Player "Koi Nivek" is connected
-Dead-

19:37:00 | Player "Clayton Young" is connected
22:33:06 | Player "Clayton Young" has been disconnected

21:35:25 | Player "Yakone Briggs" is connected
-dead-

20:38:32 | Player "Francis Williams II" is connected
-Dead-

20:55:41 | Player "Kaden Nivek" is connected
-still playing-

20:47:18 | Player "Kirill Nivek" is connected
-Dead-

21:35:41 | Player "Jackson Rivers" is connected
-dead-

20:45:44 | Player "Radim Nivek" is connected
-still playing-

Calling in the following people for their full detailed POV and possible video evidence!:

@Drew7822 - Yakone Briggs: POSTED

@Clay_Bridges -  Clayton Young: POSTED

@Mugin - Francis Williams II: POSTED

@Wolfen - Kaden Nivek: POSTED

@Conor - Kirill Nivek: POSTED

@Johnny Navid - Jackson Rivers: POSTED

@BrianM - Radim Nivek: POSTED

 

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Jackson Rivers POV: After being alerted by my members that there was a group in our base i joined. my group and their group talked for a bit when they just said "Alright boys lets go" While i was checking the damage of what happen when i hear Clay initiate. I didn't return fire until i heard gunshots and Drew stopped communicating assuming he died. So i peaked and killed Mugin and shortly after that i moved down and got killed. 

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Was raiding a base on top of construction building.

One guy shows up, followed by a second. A third logs in next to us after mysteriously knowing that people were in their base despite us never hearing the others double mic anything once they discovered us.

We start to make our way out of there.

I am alone cutting through the ground floor of the construction site when I hear someone say "Hands up! Hands up!" followed immediately by several gunshots.

I creep through the construction site (as I am doing this I hear the initiator saying something along the lines of "Tell your friends to put their hands up or you die", which is a strange demand to make to someone with their hands up who is forbidden from using their radio...) and up the stairs to the floor below the roof and find one of the men running around. He runs up to the edge of the building and is stepping side to side when I open fire on him. Just as I start shooting him in the back he raises his weapon as if he were about to shoot someone (one of my pals) outside of the building. I drop him and move up the stairs to the top floor where I engage the two remaining guys. My game stutters a tad and then I am dead without getting either of them.

End of PoV.

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Pov: broke into some random persons base (at the time I didnt know who owned it) and started to take a few things from it. Not long after someone logged in and one of the guys (not sure who) heard someone that wasnt us. We found out that it was someone who lived there so @AndreyQ started to rp with them. I wasnt really listening to what they were really saying cause I was more worried about other people coming around, which became true. Two others "showed up", not sure who cause they really didnt talk to much. I walked up to and asked if he was alright in seeing that he was moving sketchy around the opening of where we broke in at. Hiding and showing himself like we were going to shoot him. Not long after we were walking out when I heard someone say "hands up!" then shots being fired. Me, @BrianM  and @AndreyQ were running the same direction and while @AndreyQ complied  and still gets shot me and @BrianM hop over the wall. Got shot and didnt realize that my blood was going down and died from it.

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22 minutes ago, Johnny Navid said:

I didn't return fire until i heard gunshots and Drew stopped communicating

 

How did you know that Drew stopped communicating? I never heard anything from him IG throughout the whole situation, apart from at the very start where he logged in right next to us and mumbled something I could not understand.

If someone is communicating constantly I could understand them being shot causing a sudden halt in their communication however someone who has been silent the whole time has been failing to communicate the whole time...

Maybe he failed to double mic in accordance with rule 3.6?

 

Regardless, he apparently has video evidence which should clear this all up. Maybe I just did not hear him speak at all.

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The person complying may have personally complied but because his group didn't value his life they opened fire thus killing their own friend.

 

EDIT: Has full video clip as asked for.

Edited by Drew7822

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2 minutes ago, Conor said:

shot causing a sudden halt in their communication

During the Initation I was earshot from him as soon as the gun shots started he stopped talking immediately. Which wasn't at all far apart therefor I returned fire. 

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Just now, Johnny Navid said:

During the Initation I was earshot from him as soon as the gun shots started he stopped talking immediately. Which wasn't at all far apart therefor I returned fire. 

There was maybe 30 seconds from when the gunshots started to the moment I killed him on the floor below you guys. The only person who was heard talking in-game during the entire scenario was the person saying "Hands up" which was not Drew, according to his PoV.

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1 minute ago, Conor said:

There was maybe 30 seconds from when the gunshots started to the moment I killed him on the floor below you guys. The only person who was heard talking in-game during the entire scenario was the person saying "Hands up" which was not Drew, according to his PoV.

I'm gonna let the Admin do his/her job. Im currently sick and dont wanna do the back and forth. So this is the last time im replying until and admin asks me something. 

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POV: I was up north with my car (Kushville, I was looting a military base.) I drove south, and when I made it about 60 meters from my base i noticed that the front gate was open... the one i closed earlier?!?! (As we had this same thing happen about 3 hours ago, in which two people failed to raid.) So I immediately IN-game and via discord (Discord radio chat #EMERGENCY BROADCASTS) "People are in the base wake up!!!" ((As we have been through this issue with legion and wolfpack, it is completely legal to us discord IC voice/chat's as radio broadcasts, as long as I double mic it. in which i did, 60 meters away. They wernt even aware of my of my presence until i was one floor below them....)

Anyways I made my way into the base, asked why they were there, who they were... Turns out I recognize this guy named koi... he claims to be here with his friends yada yada.. long story short my members begin to wake up. then they decide to leave?? wonder why.

As they made their way down our exit corridor, I yell PUT your hands up! I did fire after saying this because they all were running. after i shot one he stopped and did as asked. im assuming this was "KOI" shots then returned as i expected. I then yelled as mentioned above. "IF YOUR FRIENDS DONT PUT YOUR HANDS UP YOU WILL DIE." in which they all clearly heard as above

none the less they started shooting again *at this point yak dies from my knowledge not sure, he never communicated much* I open fire on the guy that I had put demands on, CLEARLY his family did not care for his life.

None the less I shot more, until I soon woke up on the beach with a massive hangover... Musta been a great party

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@Drew7822 Can you please post the full unedited version, of your video evidence.

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Just now, Realize said:

@Drew7822 Can you please post the full unedited version, of your video evidence.

That is the full video up to the point in-which I die, after that I re-spawn but I can post it! 🙂

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Might I also add that the "new" Whisper, Talk, And Yell features are in... just because you didn't hear him, does not mean he did not talk. 

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5 hours ago, Drew7822 said:

The person complying may have personally complied but because his group didn't value his life they opened fire thus killing their own friend.

That is not what was said in the video. In the video your friends yells "If your friends don't put your hands up, you die too".

This is an unrealistic demand. Your friend is asking 4 other people to surrender in the middle of a firefight at quite a distance where people might not even be able to hear the demands. Like during the OP's video I was talking non stop telling them I am bandaging because they shot me but you can't hear it because I am out of voip range.

Regardless the demand is invalid, due to the points mentioned above.

6 hours ago, Johnny Navid said:

While i was checking the damage of what happen when i hear Clay initiate. I didn't return fire until i heard gunshots and Drew stopped communicating assuming he died. So i peaked and killed Mugin and shortly after that i moved down and got killed. 

In this POV you admit of not getting involved in the initiation, as such you are not part of the attacking party and do not get rights when we defend ourselves.

21:53:58 | Player "Francis Williams II" killed by Player "Jackson Rivers" with M16A4 from 17.3306 meters
21:58:08 | Player "Radim Nivek" hit by Player "Jackson Rivers" into RightArm(19) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M16A4 from 17.9143 meters 
21:58:08 | Player "Radim Nivek" hit by Player "Jackson Rivers" into Torso(24) for 27.5 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M16A4 from 17.9143 meters

The logs above show an invalid kill but also an invalid attempted kill.

 

5 hours ago, Clay_Bridges said:

I yell PUT your hands up! I did fire after saying this because they all were running.

Not me. I was standing there because I had no stamina and still got shot. Which is why you see me bandaging. Also the 2 people around me were pretty much already running so initiating and then shooting immediately does not sound like a valid initiation to me.

 

7 hours ago, Drew7822 said:

Since we are a dynamic group I would like to state there WAS no initiation upon me, and since I did not initiate I would like to call for Invalid KOS against one of the OPs group members.

You are using rules as an armor. In the video you provided you point your weapon at us while the initiation drops, at one point even aiming at my head. You were definitely involved and claiming you were not is a clear case of ruleplay.

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4 minutes ago, AndreyQ said:

 

21:53:58 | Player "Francis Williams II" killed by Player "Jackson Rivers" with M16A4 from 17.3306 meters
21:58:08 | Player "Radim Nivek" hit by Player "Jackson Rivers" into RightArm(19) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M16A4 from 17.9143 meters 
21:58:08 | Player "Radim Nivek" hit by Player "Jackson Rivers" into Torso(24) for 27.5 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M16A4 from 17.9143 meters

The logs above show an invalid kill but also an invalid attempted kill.

 

Not me. I was standing there because I had no stamina and still got shot. Which is why you see me bandaging. Also the 2 people around me were pretty much already running so initiating and then shooting immediately does not sound like a valid initiation to me.

 

You are using rules as an armor. In the video you provided you point your weapon at us while the initiation drops, at one point even aiming at my head. You were definitely involved and claiming you were not is a clear case of ruleplay.

I may have not been apart of the Attacking party but I engaged using my defender rights on the belief you killed my friend who wasn't involved on the attacker rights themselves and at one point Francis was blatantly baiting shots as he was running up and down the canal without a weapon to me that sounds like NVFL as he knew he was in a situation where his members were getting shot at. Radim rushed by himself up the construction and  was told that he was out numbered and refused to cooperate to any of our commands after that, still using my defender rights as he was the first person to trade shots with me i open fired to try and kill him and died in the process. Radim wasn't Attempted Invalid kill as i had kill rights for him shooting at me. 

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Francis Williams POV is as follows:

Niveks family needed a warm body to help raid so how could I say no.


Upon arrival base is empty, so we set to work. Strategically having the strongest Nivek saw the locks.

Once in we did as raiders do.

Owners logged in and proceeded to make our being there the most awkward situation they could muster.

Koi handles the conversation. Some of us, not wanting to disturb their allies peaceful slumber, decided independently to dip not knowing how many would log on. I mean "wake up". Thus alerting us to not only our shitty positions, but how spread out we ended up.

Only when most us made it out did we realize the error of our ways. Basically we were trapped in their island fortress, construction resort.

They initate, as expected, while we're pretty spread out all around their compound. Half of us in very compromising positions, and Andre being gassed after complying.

Basic song and dance goes as expected after we lost the strongest Nivek, but big boi Brian is able to bring it back, under dog style. Taking on the rest by himself after they decide to come out from hiding.

All in all would help be meat shield again.

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3 minutes ago, Mugin said:

Francis Williams POV is as follows:

Niveks family needed a warm body to help raid so how could I say no.


Upon arrival base is empty, so we set to work. Strategically having the strongest Nivek saw the locks.

Once in we did as raiders do.

Owners logged in and proceeded to make our being there the most awkward situation they could muster.

Koi handles the conversation. Some of us, not wanting to disturb their allies peaceful slumber, decided independently to dip not knowing how many would log on. I mean "wake up". Thus alerting us to not only our shitty positions, but how spread out we ended up.

Only when most us made it out did we realize the error of our ways. Basically we were trapped in their island fortress, construction resort.

They initate, as expected, while we're pretty spread out all around their compound. Half of us in very compromising positions, and Andre being gassed after complying.

Basic song and dance goes as expected after we lost the strongest Nivek, but big boi Brian is able to bring it back, under dog style. Taking on the rest by himself after they decide to come out from hiding.

All in all would help be meat shield again.

No sarcasm or any thing this gave me a good laugh

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My POV: 

We were raiding the base, three guys log in wearing the same armband. We leave with the shit we got and when some of us tried to climb the wall, a few of them initiate on us. @AndreyQ complies and puts his hands up while the rest of us get in cover and begin to fight back after they kill @AndreyQ. Also, as soon as they say "hands up or die", they shoot at us instantly, giving us no time to comply. After @AndreyQ dies, @Conor kills one and the rest of then he does along with everyone other than me and @Mugin the last two keep telling us to come out with our hands up or die. Eventually they kill @Mugin and it is me left against two of them. 

I then decided to push the construction building and get a nasty turn on one of them and killing him. Then it is me vs another one and I climb up some boxes and pin him down until I eventually kill him too.

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7 hours ago, Johnny Navid said:

-snipped-

It's nice to see you channeled your inner Adam Savage but I am not quite sure what you are trying to show with this? That your friend can be heard yelling hands up? This evidence is kind of moot since after the latest patch you have the ability to change your voice from a whisper, to talking, to a shout. I am assuming that in your video Mr Hyneman had his VOIP set to shout but there is no evidence of this during the situation, he could have easily had it on talk.

 

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15 hours ago, Drew7822 said:

Since we are a dynamic group I would like to state there WAS no initiation upon me, and since I did not initiate I would like to call for Invalid KOS against one of the OPs group members.

Since you are a dynamic group, you would have to initiate yourself in order to get attacker rights (as explained in rule 4.2) but you did not. Only one person initiated.

 

You claim in your less detailed PoV (quoted below) That you heard someone shout hands up and then you died. This is not strictly true. As is clearly seen in your video you are taking an active part in the situation. Aiming your rifle, even trying to line up a shot on someone you see peaking from behind a wall. You are not doing anything at all which would make you look like you are not a part of the situation. If you heard someone say "hands up" and you do not want to get involved, you should put your hands up.

15 hours ago, Drew7822 said:

Upon leaving I heard someone shout hands up and then I was shot.

You cannot try to hide behind the rules and claim that my kill on you was invalid when you are actively partaking in the situation with your friends. That is called ruleplay.

Also, when are you doing to post your "more detailed PoV" like you say you will in your first post @Drew7822?

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I would also like to address some timestamps in your video.

At 0:17 someone says "What building?" as if they are asking what building someone (one of us) is in. This is not double mic'd in-game, something which would be easily heard if it was since the other two people are right above your heads on the roof. After looking at the mythbusters video my guess would be that the person talking is @Johnny Navid

At 0:28 someone can be heard saying something along the lines of "I see one, on top" moments before I gun you down. I believe this was you @Drew7822 who says this, something which is also not double mic'd since we would be able to see the mic icon appear in your video to indicate you speaking in-game.

 

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19 minutes ago, Conor said:

It's nice to see you channeled your inner Adam Savage but I am not quite sure what you are trying to show with this? That your friend can be heard yelling hands up? This evidence is kind of moot since after the latest patch you have the ability to change your voice from a whisper, to talking, to a shout. I am assuming that in your video Mr Hyneman had his VOIP set to shout but there is no evidence of this during the situation, he could have easily had it on talk.

 

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Since you are a dynamic group, you would have to initiate yourself in order to get attacker rights (as explained in rule 4.2) but you did not. Only one person initiated.

 

You claim in your less detailed PoV (quoted below) That you heard someone shout hands up and then you died. This is not strictly true. As is clearly seen in your video you are taking an active part in the situation. Aiming your rifle, even trying to line up a shot on someone you see peaking from behind a wall. You are not doing anything at all which would make you look like you are not a part of the situation. If you heard someone say "hands up" and you do not want to get involved, you should put your hands up.

You cannot try to hide behind the rules and claim that my kill on you was invalid when you are actively partaking in the situation with your friends. That is called ruleplay.

 

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I would also like to address some timestamps in your video.

At 0:17 someone says "What building?" as if they are asking what building someone (one of us) is in. This is not double mic'd in-game, something which would be easily heard if it was since the other two people are right above your heads on the roof. After looking at the mythbusters video my guess would be that the person talking is @Johnny Navid

At 0:28 someone can be heard saying something along the lines of "I see one, on top" moments before I gun you down. I believe this was you @Drew7822 who says this, something which is also not double mic'd since we would be able to see the mic icon appear in your video to indicate you speaking in-game.

 

Fair enough on regarding my KOS statement, However you guys didn't value your own group members life, yet you claim not to hear him as well? Odd, all of your group members clearly heard him and stated that and now you fall back to lying in a report? Regardless if you heard him or not, your friend with his hands up could clearly hear him and was complying, however once you guys opened fire you neglect his life instead of trying to talk it out.

 

As for the recording, I don't think my relive is setup perfectly and I am fixing it. However, with the constant driver crashes from a heavily modified bios and power play tables it resets my relive and display drives quite often (since they are linked)

 

Please keep in mind I myself nor any of my members wish to argue about this, if you wish to chat it out message me and I'll send you my discord.

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Detailed POV: I was taking a nap outside of our compound enjoying the time away from our hard concrete floors and loud winds that fly across our tents. However, my rest was quickly ended when I heard some static from my radio and some frantic yelling from one of our members claiming that there we're unknown people in our base and the gates we're open. (Thus I logged on after receiving messages in our IC channel). Upon waking I made my tired self up to the base to confirm another group had indeed decided to cut our locks in the same day, I slowly make my way up to the group groggy and not really saying much or anything at all. Before I know what happens I hear a Chernorussian man claiming to hate Canadians or something and then starts to leave. Upon their way out I hear someone scream hands up in-which I move about taking defensive positions before taking a shot. During this I hear @Clay_Bridges clearly scream "If your friends don't put their hands up you will die with them". Clay holds fire until the others open fire on me, luckily I had my fancy plate carrier. I then relocate and get gunned down a few seconds later. 

 

Next thing I know I'm in the middle of a forest? Who knows what carried me out here, odd right?

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3 minutes ago, Drew7822 said:

Fair enough, However you guys didn't value your own group members life, yet you claim not to hear him as well? Odd, all of your group members clearly heard him and stated that and now you fall back to lying in a report? Regardless if you heard him or not, your friend with his hands up could clearly hear him and was complying, however once you guys opened fire you neglect his life instead of trying to talk it out.

 

As for the recording, I don't think my relive is setup perfectly and I am fixing it. However, with the constant driver crashes from a heavily modified bios and power play tables it resets my relive and display drives quite often (since they are linked)

 

Please keep in mind I myself nor any of my members wish to argue about this, if you wish to chat it out message me and I'll send you my discord.

I do not want to argue or go back and forth but this attempt to clutch at straws is beginning to get rather humorous.

Please point out where any of us are lying in this report? Not quite sure how you have come to that conclusion. I never claimed not to hear anyone? I was in the construction site when the first "Hands up!" was yelled followed almost immediately by gunshots from your group. After you have already started shooting at us, it does not really lay good groundwork for us to suddenly come out and start negotiating whilst you shoot at us.

 

You can't just yell "Everyone surrender" and expect people to do it right in the middle of a gunfight.

Maybe if you had taken your time, stopped shooting at us and made some more reasonable demands (Something along the lines of "Stop shooting, let us talk this out. Nobody needs to get hurt." we could have started negotiating and furthered the roleplay between our two parties.

 

Also I am not quite sure what you are getting at when you talk about your graphics drivers... how does that relate to you or your companions not broadcasting their IC discord comms in game as well? I am confused...

 

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Since this is getting dragged out quite a bit I will refrain from responding unless some other juicy accusations are thrown or a staff member asks me a question.

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10 minutes ago, Conor said:

I do not want to argue or go back and forth but this attempt to clutch at straws is beginning to get rather humorous.

Please point out where any of us are lying in this report? Not quite sure how you have come to that conclusion. I never claimed not to hear anyone? I was in the construction site when the first "Hands up!" was yelled followed almost immediately by gunshots from your group. After you have already started shooting at us, it does not really lay good groundwork for us to suddenly come out and start negotiating whilst you shoot at us.

 

You can't just yell "Everyone surrender" and expect people to do it right in the middle of a gunfight.

Maybe if you had taken your time, stopped shooting at us and made some more reasonable demands (Something along the lines of "Stop shooting, let us talk this out. Nobody needs to get hurt." we could have started negotiating and furthered the roleplay between our two parties.

 

Also I am not quite sure what you are getting at when you talk about your graphics drivers... how does that relate to you or your companions not broadcasting their IC discord comms in game as well? I am confused...

 

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Since this is getting dragged out quite a bit I will refrain from responding unless some other juicy accusations are thrown or a staff member asks me a question.

My bad, I meant to direct the lying in report towards @AndreyQ after following his quote: "...Your friend is asking 4 other people to surrender in the middle of a firefight at quite a distance where people might not even be able to hear the demands. Like during the OP's video I was talking non stop telling them I am bandaging because they shot me but you can't hear it because I am out of voip range..."

 

Also a gunfight doesn't exist till another party returns fire, in which Clay told you to put your hands up before you returned fire. Otherwise the first shots are considered warning shots.

 

As for my graphic driver that deals with the fact that you said I was talking in-which I clearly was not? And since my drivers crash quite often it resets relive to not record my mic and I often forget that it does that. Quite annoying really.

 

Juicy accusations? I'm sorry, what? 

 

You claim that we didn't double mic, ect but your group CLEARLY wasn't whilst you guys ran about not talking at all, maybe you have some sort of telekinesis powers?

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