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When does it count as breaking into a base and when is shooting justified?

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Situation 1: Your are in your base talking to some people on the outside, they are aware it is your base and you are home as you are inside talking to them on the outside of your base. They start to saw off your gate lock.

 

Situation 2: Your are in your base talking to some people on the outside, they are aware it is your base and you are home as you are inside talking to them on the outside of your base. They are boosting each other over your wall to land on the GROUND inside your bases walls.

 

Situation 3: Your are in your base talking to some people on the outside, they are aware it is your base and you are home as you are inside talking to them on the outside of your base. They are boosting each other on top of a building that encloses your base (like the roof of a church) or on top of your base wall.

 

Situation 4: Your are in your base talking to some people on the outside, they are aware it is your base and you are home as you are inside talking to them on the outside of your base. You open your gate for something and they take the chance and just walk inside without permission.

 

Question: Does any of those 4 situations require initiation or are you allowed to just shoot them as a result of their hostile attempt to break in or even success to get within your walls? Does any situation not require an initiation? I think situation 1 does not need initiation by what I heard in the past due to them actively sawing your lock of your base knowingly you are home and right there. But what about the others? Where does the hostile action start and you do not need to initiate to be able to defend your base? And if you shot at them for sawing your lock, are they allowed to shoot you too without initiating? Does their lock sawing count as initiation and you are allowed to shoot them and their official group with them?

 

Thank you for taking the time to try and answer this staff ❤️ Just these questions recently came up and people died because they made sure to initiate when someone broke in.

 

A lot of us are most interested in Situation 3 if you could make sure to answer that one as clear as possible, we would appreciate it. 

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Since they are aware of your presence and that it is your base, 1, 2 and 3 would be treated as a hostile action and grant defensive kill rights to the owners. 4 would not, walking in when you open the gate could be a misunderstanding and you should initiate in that case.

The question about where hostile action starts is very subjective and unique to every situation, there is no definitive answer. When in doubt - just initiate to be on the safe side.

We don't really have any specific rules on base attacks and defense, so we must use existing rules that we have in place. Think of the sawing locks or jumping walls as stealing - which also is a hostile action that can happen without an initiation. So both should work the same way.

When someone steals from you or attacks your base like that you gain defensive kill rights on them. Neither stealing, sawing locks or jumping walls is considered an initiation however, so they do not get any rights on you. Therefore if a person steals from you or jumps a wall you can kill them and they can fire back at you (that's a universal right given to every individual to be able to defend yourself when someone is trying to kill you), but the rest of the attacker group does not gain any rights. That's because of the baiting rule, as it should not be possible to have one man jump over a wall to gain rights for the rest of the group who can then start shooting from sniper positions and what not, without having to initiate.

In my opinion we should follow the fair-play method of attacking bases - initiate clearly and unambiguously, give base owners ample time to comply, proceed as needed after that. Jumping walls all of a sudden without an initiation causes much confusion about who is who and what exactly is happening as there was no indication of an attack happening. It definitely would be frowned upon by me to have groups jumping walls without initiation as a standard way to attack a base, because they gain unfair advantage in the process.

Situations like these can get quite complicated so it may not necessarily work like this in all cases, but that's the general consensus as far as I can tell.

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