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S1 Cherno BadRP/Invalid Execution

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Posted (edited)

Server and location: S1 Cherno

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2019-08-25, 04:25

Your in game name: Vali Kuznetsov

Names of allies involved: N/A

Name of suspect/s: @NorwayRP/Pavel Ivanov

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any):  N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): I don't know how to clip more than 60 seconds but....Initiation at 3:08:25 - my death at 3:13:36

Detailed description of the events: I decided to go talk to Hutch and catch up about his wife Grace's condition. I was able to get us relatively alone and speak to him about her. After some time Pavel walks up to me and tells me to put my hands up and follow him. I comply. Along the way I was provided nothing less than confusing and BadRP. Not being told why I am really being taken or anything related other than Pheonyxx trying to big dick on someone else's initiation. I follow him up to the firestation in confusion about why 2 Russian soldiers who served together are not pitted against each other. After I am led to a corner and told to put my hands on my head. I do so. I am then told, "For assisting your enemies in time of war, shooting fellow allies and country men, and deserting units after being previously established to them, I am hereby sentencing you to die". At this point I am beyond confused and reply back by pulling up old history between myself and Pamyati to prove Vali is still loyal to the Russian Federation and it's interests in South Zagoria and the Chernarussian territory as a whole. We have a brief argument of why I am being executed and how to resolve this. I am led with dead end statements and make the decision to just let it happen. "It was a pleasure serving with you and Slava John Johnson". I was then swiftly executed.

I was provided little to nothing roleplay by Pavel Ivanov (a character that I have not roleplayed with since Pamyati 2.0's force archive) from the point of initiation to the firestation it's self. Pulling me away from a current RP situation that I was dealing with by Hutch, just to be executed with no roleplay.

Edited by HDragon

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Connection Logs:

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04:02:37 | Player "Vali Kuznetsov" is connected
- Dead - 
04:23:35 | Player "Vali Kuznetsov" has been disconnected

03:24:03 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" is connected
04:56:45 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" has been disconnected

Hit Logs:

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04:00:13 | Player "Vali Kuznetsov" hit by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with M14 Springfield from 2.03089 meters 
04:00:13 | Player "Vali Kuznetsov" hit by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with M14 Springfield from 2.03089 meters 

Kill Logs:

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04:00:13 | Player "Vali Kuznetsov" (DEAD) killed by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with M14 Springfield from 2.03089 meters 

Calling in the following people to post their Point of Views & any video evidence they may have:
@HDragon | Vali Kuznetsov | OP
@NorwayRP | Pavel Ivanov |

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Initiated on the OP for previous hostilities took the OP hostage, escorted him to the firestation and after roleplaying with him used my execution rights gained from me watching him shoot my friends and allies and to conclude my characters story arc with the OP. Seeing as the characters were close previously, and the OP was in a group that that character led. It pained my character greatly to have to execute him, however it was something that needed to be done to further the RP between my character and the other deserters i've been hunting.

I used my execution rights gained from multiple times the OP killed my allies in front of me.

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@NorwayRP Can you give more information on any of these prior events, as you state there are multiple, as to give more reasoning into executing the OP ?
Also, @HDragon can you recall any past hostilities, that would give @NorwayRP reasoning to want you dead ? 

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@Realize this situation 

 along with the various others in which Vali Kuzenstov defended Wolfpack CDF and the Watch against Pamyati.

If you check the logs you will see that HDragon shot my ally played by vegas and contributed to the death of multiple other allies of mine, he was later identified by Zorull whilst zorull was attempting to assassinate Phoenyxx

Edited by NorwayRP

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My POV for that situation would be me taking Phoenyxx and Luka away in a car after them asking for help while being attacked by an unknown group. I helped them, a while after we get shot at by 3 guys in which I kill a few of them. Later on we head to Berenzino to take shelter at the CDF camp. I begin providing medical RP to Luka. In this situation it would be very hard for Zorull to identify Vali for a few reasons. Vali has never met his Pamyati character at this point and Vali always wears a bandanna face mask or balaclava especially during firefights and hostile situations. Also, Zorull was placed on the West side of the CDF camp while Vali had is back to them facing East providing medical aide to Luka. Even in the case that Vali might not have been wearing a face mask it would be very hard for Zorull who has never met or seen the face of Vali to properly ID who he is.

As for any other hostile situation I don't recall anything.

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Because this involves the credibility of knowledge that @HDragon killed allies of @NorwayRP, @ZorullRPwill be called in to verify Norways claims and explain his identification of HDragpn.

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Actually, @HDragonzorull did meet your character. When you had met us at Stary Yar after breaking into the 52s base and stealing there cars when we drove to the Mafia base near Krasnostav. We were all aware of who you were and what you sounded like. In fact the instance I am referring to is the same instance in which Xehara spawned around 75 zombies and 30 wolves on us. Your presence there can be easily verified.

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Now, I'm going to be completely honest. There are far more instances of HDragon killing my men then the single firefight I listed above, I could go through and list every single one. For example, HDragon almost all the times that HDragon has shot whilst being in District. Or the times that HDragon shot my mates when I was in The Time, or GD, or The House. I have at least 20 executions on Vali saved up. 

It seems to me that this report is set up to reach as hard as possible. The OP is aware of how many points I have, and how many points I'll have from here until whenever I get lucky and those points get removed by staff. 

The point being, HDragon knows I have execution rights on him. He's aware the actions of his character betrayed his former allies trust. Yet he's pushing this report because he's upset, which is fine that's his prerogative but there is absolutely no substance to these claims.

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On top of that I am going to post 2 screenshots below that while don't 100% give me rights the do provide context as well. These screenshots are from Pamyati's perma-death agreement, you can read the contents listed within that agreement and within those screenshots you will see that HDragon was the first person to sign that agreement and yet still decided on multiple instances to kill my allies, while he was in Funeral Parlor, while he was by himself, while he was with the Wolfpack and after joining district. He was given orders from my character IC to assist in gaining information about Dean Lockwood and instead of completing the mission as order, began to fight against his former brothers in arms and deserted the cause. All this context provides yet another reason for his execution.

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The situation of me meeting you lot in Stary Yar happened after the event that you posted. Also during the times of you playing in Green Dragons, Time, and House you gain no rights due to you playing on Vitaliy Makrovich so those 20 executions go out the door because this situation is related to Pavel Ivanov. A character who you stopped playing after he was raped by Saviors then you returned to playing after Vitaliy got 2.3ed. But even then when Pavel joined the Time I never fought against you guys because I was a lone wolf helping you guys gather information on Dalton's gang and the Toymakers. As for the perma-death agreement this is something that Potius had dealt with and was forced to make it valid via posting on the forums but for the right of KOS.

I would also like to restate the fact of BadRP. Being taken hostage, barely spoken to during my transportation, then quickly executed.

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You don't have to be present for the kill just aware that it happened. Seeing as multiple members of the time were weary of you helping us seeing as you had shot their friends in the past. Something which Pavel was aware of, which is why you were spying on those people. In order to redeem yourself, now I'm not sure why you are pushing for badrp seeing as the RP provided by myself and hutch was exactly as it needed to be to portray the situation and was well within the rules.

Along with that below is the screenshot of you asking to be pulled into our radio comms after you and your friend met up with us which confirms the date in which you met our characters.

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And even more on from there, you knew that we saw you since I literally messaged you about it afterwards. 

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Now, I'm really not sure what has got you on this vibe. You are reaching extremely heavily with this report, you know you shot my homies. You knew Pavel knew about it. And you knew exactly what you were risking coming down to Cherno, in fact the only reason you did originally was to in your own words "Slaughter some puppies." Yet even after I have shown on multiple instances that my execution of you was valid, you are still reaching. How much time did we spend fighting the Saviors and all their allies together, it was a lot. At least 200 hrs not to mention Kamenici and the rest. If your goal is to get me banned for the sake of getting me banned that's fine, go for it. But reachin for random rulebreaks that flat out did not occur and making false accusations in order to get me banned because the actions of your character flat out go against everything he used to stand for, and due to his killing of his former brothers in arms got him executed. Then that's all good, go ahead. But the evidence I've provided counters every claim you have thrown at the wall thus far.

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On top of this I kidnapped Hunter and Phoenyxx and questioned them about your involvement in the fight and other instances when you shot at us I'd like to call them in for a brief statement from their perspective. 

@Phoenyxx @Hunter

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Posted (edited)

I can verify this.

There have been THREE separate occasions where Norway has taken me hostage and for sure 100% I can guarantee that in AT LEAST one of these, I had to speak about the above firefight Norway had tagged, Vali's involvement in it, up to and including witnessing him having kill people that were apart of Norway's group. The logs in the report here would verify that statement: 

 

A character that is taken hostage may be executed once for a hostile incident that happened in the past where the hostage was personally responsible for, or participated in a death of your ally.

In this case, the logs would clearly show that Vali did kill one of Norway's allies. Again, this is just from this situation and not including any other times that may have occurred more than just the one time I am seeing in the logs.

I also had to mention a few other times Vali's involvement based around funeral parlor, and the times I ran into him after FP disbanded.

Edited by Hunter

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POV in regards to the event that Norway is pointing out as one of the events that gave him rights (in regards to his allies being shot/injured):

After the event in the report posted, I was informed by Luka (Hunter) the next day while recovering from injuries about what had occurred during my adventure from the West to the East. I was told that a fire fight had broken out and that we had made our way from the summer camp all the way in the West to Berezino in the East. During this time, the Mafia - Capital Vices as well as some dynamics had assisted in trying to get me to safety. One of these dynamics being Vali. Luka had confirmed to me that Vali (whom he knows from Funeral Parlour as they were both members) had indeed helped us escape and even engaged in the fire fight taking down some of the pamyati members as the report (my report) would show and that Luka witnessed.

Not even a few days later, our encounters with Norway and other Pamyati members consisted of numerous times being interrogated as to who had helped in the attempt to rescue me from Jaysh Allah and Pamyati. During these encounters my character had confessed to members of Pamyati on numerous times the involvement of the Mafia, Capital Vices and Vali himself. Thus also verifying that Norway's character did indeed receive information that Vali had been apart of the firefight that day from myself as well as Luka (Hunter) and even other wolfpack members that learned of the events that happened that day.

Edited by Phoenyxx

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I still wanna bring back up the bad RP in this scenario since there has been little talk about it and I still think it is important. I feel that if any rule was broken it was more than likely rule 4.4 on the attacker side. The roleplay given to me by Hutch has nothing to do with the initiation and roleplay provided by Norway. The badRP comes from me being provided 0 roleplay to the point where I am told I am being killed. There was no questioning, no hostile rp, nothing. I was taken, swiftly moved, sat down, told why I was being killed, then killed. I think anyone can say that that is badRP especially if your characters have known each other since January... I would go almost so far to call it ruleplay on his side because he executed me without roleplay due to him believing he has rights. 

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6 hours ago, HDragon said:

I still wanna bring back up the bad RP in this scenario since there has been little talk about it and I still think it is important. I feel that if any rule was broken it was more than likely rule 4.4 on the attacker side. The roleplay given to me by Hutch has nothing to do with the initiation and roleplay provided by Norway.

Actually it has everything to do with the roleplay I provided, I allowed you to continue your conversation with Hutch and Phoenyxx and I listened in on it. After Pavel realized that you were snaking on his former allies and the people that took Vali in multiple times it was clear to him that the integrity of your character was gone. And Vali was no longer the same person that Pavel was once close with, which was highlighted by the fact of you trying to instill a coup in the Wolfpack infront of me by giving up your allies in return. It was my plan within the RP to force you to continue your conversation therefore making that RP a part of mine, I really don't understand why you continue so hard to reach seeing as I have utterly disproven your false accusation of invalid kill and through the statement I have made now shown that the RP was well thought out and focused more on the story and the emotions felt by the characters rather than a long drawn out screaming match. Seeing as both of our characters knew precisely what was going on and there was no reason for either of us to divulge sensitive information in front of the random people in the room. One avenue you could've taken to extend the role play further was to either beg, or apologize and try to save yourself. Instead you took a combative tone, which involved telling me I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about, this attitude closed off the peaceful routes that the RP could've taken and instead solidified your execution.

I am sorry you feel that the role play you received was sub par, but in every case you have provided thus far and the reason behind it I have shown without a shadow of a doubt the RP reasoning behind it, the RP repercussions for your actions and the thoughts of my character and why he would take those actions given a real world setting. This along with Hutch's speaking with you toltal up a 15 minute encounter from me initiating on you until you being executed which involved RP from myself, Nik, Apollo, Phoenyxx, Hutch and Wong.

There is no solid evidence or arguement you can make here that shows the actions potrayed by my character and the rest of those involved constitutes bad RP.

Edited by NorwayRP

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Ontop of that you were initialy initiated at 02:57;57 on that vod that you linked, then you were instructed by me as a part of my demands to finish you conversation with hutch this lasted for 10 minutes before 03:08 when you were instructed to put your hands back up and escorted to the firestation. Had the goal been to break rule 4.4 what would've happened is you would not have been given the opportunity to finish your conversation which hutch however, you were. By looking at my actions here you can see it is clear that I valued the RP of all parties over the execution. My actions on multiple instances throughout my responses and throughout the VOD show that the proper RP of both our characters back story and your internal RP with Hutch was the utmost priority, which clears any claim of the violation of rule 4.4.

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I can definitely still argue that there is some BadRP. To start with there is the first initiation which was easily swept under the rug when you drop all negative tones in your voice and say  "Actually no you can continue your conversation" there are no hostilities after that. But Nik, Apollo, Phoenyxx, Hutch and Wong don't count as any quality RP in this case. You initiated on me and since Pavel is not in Legion or Wolfpack you are running with them dynamically. They never initiated but simply ran with you. The most RP that was there was the boys from the end init asking everyone why I was being taken and later why I have to die, both with 0 response by the hostile party. I do agree that your statements of roleplaying your character's backstory is slightly right tho.. I can't think of a single person who fights alongside someone for a few months and then later decides to kill them and has 0 emotion during that.

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This was a long time ago but from what I remember it was after the ambush at Myshkino summer camp. Most of us died and we regrouped, the big fucking coalition initiated on us again and a large fight ensued I pursued them to Berenzino to the CDF base in order to see if I could kill a few and avenge my friends. While I was attempting to locate a position to shoot into the camp I overheard Vali speaking to Phoenyxx. I knew it was Vali (Hdragon) because we had met up with him at Stary Yar a few days prior, and due to his extremely recognizable voice. I also overhead him discussing the kills he had got during the encounter. We were given information that Vali was attempting to inside man the Wolfpack and Mafia to kill Dean Lockwood but based of his actions I made sure to let the lads know what was up. 

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Since @NorwayRP has been permanently removed from the community, this report will be /closed

Signed by @Phoenix @Voodoo & @Derek Steel

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