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S1 - Invalid Kill x12 and Invalid Initiation

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Server and location: S1 Prison Island

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 0:00, 8-6-19

Your in game name: Vyacheslav Jaska

Names of allies involved: as listed in previous report

Name of suspect/s: @Lemons

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): No

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

Detailed description of the events: We head to prison island, we are jumping about and trying to look into the compound when we hear a random megaphone saying "leave the island or die" or something along those lines. We couldn't see who did it nor did they identify themselves, confusing everyone in the area. As seen in many previous reports, megaphone initiations are basically impossible to do and lead to confusion. Since the initiation is invalid it would mean all the subsequent kills are also invalid, as seen in these reports

https://www.dayzrp.com/forums/topic/98500-s1-kosinvalid-initiation-novaya-industrial-13072019-1am-and-2am/?do=findComment&comment=1805919

 

 

https://www.dayzrp.com/forums/topic/96140-s1-south-of-tisy-summer-camp-invalid-initiation/?do=findComment&comment=1766522

 

also going to drop this here

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POV- Jack lemons

No point on going to full detail here sense cause there are other reports up. You all instantly knew that you all were initiated on, milliseconds before the initiation dropped your guys opened massive fire upon the tower(cause that’s were it came from What I assumed), you know what you were doing were It came from so don’t lie. Don’t give me this thing of confusion for you guys. And it was “everyone on the island put your hands In the air”. Plus before You shrugged off when one of my guys said ”you know I see you guys there” when you were trying to hop the fence

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POV:Robert Conway 

I was on the island when we see a massive group of people coming from the shore by Komorovo we get inside and wait they approach the prison don’t even roleplay or make their presence known they climb a tower but two people appeared out of no where possibly ghosted to get on top as it is easier on server two they then all start to make a human stair case when they’re being asked to stop to which they ignore and don’t reply guns aimed already in my opinion they baited an initiation they avoided RP and went straight for the loot which is a blatant gear RP I have never seen such a toxic raid in my life there was boosting onto items and what appeared to be glitching I was killed about 5 minutes into the fight but there was no RP at all before things started they didn’t even make their presence known it was Bad RP

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George Mayfair pov:

I am told to grab the megaphone and tell these people to put their hands up. Prior to doing so Chef_viro speaks to them via voip from 10 meters away stating that "you know we can see you" .. as stated in my POV in the other report regarding this situation , my full statement via the megaphone was as follows "Everyone on the island please put your hands in the air" I was about to finish it with the words and surrender immediately but was instantly shot at. I feel that they knew what they were doing and knew we were there. At the point of which the shots were fired the only words they heard were "Everyone on the island please put your hands in" and they began to open up on myself and our guy on the roof. I feel they were incredibly trigger happy and out for a fight , I could of been saying anything over that megaphone e.g. "Everyone on the island please put your hands in your pockets"  "Everyone on the island please put your hands in the cookie jar and help yourself" etc..

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Connection Logs:

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00:48:45 | Player "Jack Lemons" is connected
00:47:22 | Player "Jack Lemons" has been disconnected
00:50:01 | Player "Jack Lemons" is connected
 - Server Restart/Crash -
01:37:35 | Player "Jack Lemons" is connected
- Server Restart/Crash -
04:00:50 | Player "Jack Lemons" is connected
- Server Restart/Crash -
05:14:40 | Player "Jack Lemons" is connected
05:16:08 | Player "Jack Lemons" has been disconnected
05:17:01 | Player "Jack Lemons" is connected
05:37:13 | Player "Jack Lemons" has been disconnected

04:02:38 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" is connected
- Dead -
05:09:29 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" has been disconnected

04:50:54 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" is connected
- Dead -
05:05:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" has been disconnected

04:02:04 | Player "Liam Sinclair" is connected
- Dead -
04:15:23 | Player "Liam Sinclair" has been disconnected

03:59:29 | Player "Blake Anderson" is connected
- Dead -
04:28:30 | Player "Blake Anderson" has been disconnected

04:02:10 | Player "Harry Buckets" is connected
- Dead -
04:14:48 | Player "Harry Buckets" has been disconnected

04:02:12 | Player "Kino Asamura" is connected
- Dead -
04:11:40 | Player "Kino Asamura" has been disconnected

03:59:54 | Player "Bobby Buckets" is connected
- Dead -
04:09:47 | Player "Bobby Buckets" has been disconnected

04:02:51 | Player "Vyacheslav Jaska" is connected
- Dead -
04:08:31 | Player "Vyacheslav Jaska" has been disconnected

01:38:54 | Player "Nicky Gaz Da Sixth" is connected
- Dead -
03:32:13 | Player "Nicky Gaz Da Sixth" has been disconnected

01:37:02 | Player "Arri Graham" is connected
- Dead -
02:06:37 | Player "Arri Graham" has been disconnected

01:39:36 | Player "Vlad Visus" is connected
- Dead -
02:06:39 | Player "Vlad Visus" has been disconnected

01:37:43 | Player "Benedict Falk" is connected
- Dead -
02:06:37 | Player "Benedict Falk" has been disconnected

01:36:24 | Player "Mikael Belanger" is connected
- Dead -
02:05:29 | Player "Mikael Belanger" has been disconnected

01:36:24 | Player "Mikael Belanger" is connected
- Dead -
02:05:29 | Player "Mikael Belanger" has been disconnected

01:38:22 | Player "Lenny Lurker" is connected
- Dead -
01:54:12 | Player "Lenny Lurker" has been disconnected

01:30:25 | Player "Gary Smith" is connected
- Dead -

23:41:38 | Player "Dommy Kings" is connected
- Dead -

Hit Logs:

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00:36:19 | Player "Dommy Kings" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 17.0918 meters 
00:36:20 | Player "Dommy Kings" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 17.2572 meters 
00:36:20 | Player "Dommy Kings" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 17.2572 meters 
00:36:20 | Player "Dommy Kings" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 17.2572 meters 
00:36:21 | Player "Gary Smith" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 17.9199 meters 
00:36:21 | Player "Gary Smith" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 17.9199 meters 
00:36:21 | Player "Gary Smith" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 17.9199 meters 
00:36:21 | Player "Gary Smith" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 17.9199 meters 
00:36:21 | Player "Gary Smith" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 17.9199 meters 
00:56:06 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by Player "Lenny Lurker" with M4A1 from 26.7295 meters 
00:58:17 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with M67Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 2.59511 damage (M67Grenade_Ammo)
01:14:40 | Player "Bobby Buckets" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with Karabiner 98K from 89.4073 meters 
01:14:40 | Player "Bobby Buckets" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with Karabiner 98K from 89.4073 meters 
01:19:48 | Player "Harry Buckets" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with RGD5Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 30.5355 damage (RGD5Grenade_Ammo)
01:23:50 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with M67Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 7.08666 damage (M67Grenade_Ammo)
01:53:38 | Player "Lenny Lurker" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 23.0743 meters 
01:53:38 | Player "Lenny Lurker" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 23.0743 meters 
01:53:38 | Player "Lenny Lurker" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 23.0743 meters 
02:00:32 | Player "Artyom Wongov" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with Karabiner 98K from 86.0217 meters 
02:00:32 | Player "Artyom Wongov" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with Karabiner 98K from 86.0217 meters 
02:03:32 | Player "Mikael Belanger" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with RGD5Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 33.6935 damage (RGD5Grenade_Ammo)
02:06:24 | Player "Benedict Falk" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with M67Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 42.3649 damage (M67Grenade_Ammo)
02:06:24 | Player "Vlad Visus" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with M67Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 46.6896 damage (M67Grenade_Ammo)
02:06:24 | Player "Unknown/Dead Entity" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with M67Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 14.6929 damage (M67Grenade_Ammo)
02:06:24 | Player "Artyom Solokov" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with M67Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 29.5323 damage (M67Grenade_Ammo)
02:06:24 | Player "Arri Graham" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with M67Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 32.3731 damage (M67Grenade_Ammo)
02:06:40 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with M67Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 10.9855 damage (M67Grenade_Ammo)
03:32:06 | Player "Nicky Gaz Da Sixth" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 22.4949 meters 
03:32:06 | Player "Nicky Gaz Da Sixth" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 22.4949 meters 
03:47:45 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by FallDamage
03:49:57 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by FallDamage
04:02:56 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by FallDamage
04:04:39 | Player "Vyacheslav Jaska" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 28.658 meters 
04:04:39 | Player "Vyacheslav Jaska" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 28.658 meters 
04:04:39 | Player "Vyacheslav Jaska" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 28.658 meters 
04:04:45 | Player "Bobby Buckets" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 29.0704 meters 
04:05:45 | Player "Kino Asamura" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.8414 meters 
04:05:45 | Player "Kino Asamura" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.8359 meters 
04:05:46 | Player "Kino Asamura" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.8361 meters 
04:05:46 | Player "Kino Asamura" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.8361 meters 
04:05:46 | Player "Kino Asamura" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.8361 meters 
04:06:26 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by FallDamage
04:06:28 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by FallDamage
04:14:39 | Player "Harry Buckets" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 3.41422 meters 
04:14:39 | Player "Harry Buckets" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 3.84844 meters 
04:14:39 | Player "Harry Buckets" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 3.84844 meters 
04:14:39 | Player "Harry Buckets" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 3.84844 meters 
04:14:39 | Player "Harry Buckets" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 3.84844 meters 
04:14:39 | Player "John Blackburn" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 12.1569 meters 
04:14:40 | Player "Blake Anderson" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 27.4462 meters 
04:14:40 | Player "Blake Anderson" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 27.4462 meters 
04:14:40 | Player "Blake Anderson" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 27.2141 meters 
04:14:40 | Player "Blake Anderson" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 27.2141 meters 
04:14:40 | Player "Harry Buckets" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 4.45763 meters 
04:14:45 | Player "Liam Sinclair" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.22733 meters 
04:14:45 | Player "Liam Sinclair" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 1.85998 meters 
04:14:45 | Player "Liam Sinclair" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 1.53635 meters 
04:14:45 | Player "Liam Sinclair" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 0.981255 meters 
04:26:55 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by Player "Jamie Bumlock" with AKM from 5.125 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.46021 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.46021 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.32671 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.32671 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.20623 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.20623 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by Player "Jamie Bumlock" with AKM from 2.07777 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jack Lemons" hit by Player "Jamie Bumlock" with AKM from 2.07777 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.02889 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.04355 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.04355 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.05777 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.05777 meters 
05:08:59 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.3999 meters 
05:08:59 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.3999 meters 
05:08:59 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.3999 meters 
05:08:59 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.3999 meters 
05:09:00 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" hit by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.4346 meters 

Kill Logs:

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00:36:20 | Player "Dommy Kings" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 17.2572 meters 
00:36:21 | Player "Gary Smith" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 17.9199 meters 
01:53:38 | Player "Lenny Lurker" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 23.0743 meters 
02:03:32 | Player "Mikael Belanger" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with EGD-5 Frag Grenade
02:06:24 | Player "Benedict Falk" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with 6-M7 Frag Grenade
02:06:24 | Player "Vlad Visus" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with 6-M7 Frag Grenade
02:06:24 | Player "Arri Graham" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with 6-M7 Frag Grenade
03:32:06 | Player "Nicky Gaz Da Sixth" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 22.4949 meters 
04:04:39 | Player "Vyacheslav Jaska" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 28.658 meters 
04:04:45 | Player "Bobby Buckets" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 29.0704 meters 
04:05:46 | Player "Kino Asamura" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.8361 meters 
04:14:39 | Player "Harry Buckets" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 3.84844 meters 
04:14:40 | Player "Blake Anderson" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 27.2141 meters 
04:14:45 | Player "Liam Sinclair" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 0.981255 meters 
04:56:19 | Player "Jamie Bumlock" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with MP7 from 2.20623 meters 
05:08:59 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Lemons" with FN-FAL from 26.3999 meters 

Calling in the following people to post their Point of Views & any video evidence they may have:
@Real VegasRP | Vyacheslav Jaska | OP
@Lemons | Jack Lemons | POSTED
@G19RP | Jericho Carmichael | POSTED
@JamesRP | Jamie Bumlock | POSTED
@Hex | Liam Sinclair | POSTED
@SeversonRP | Blake Anderson | POSTED
@Lost | Harry Buckets | POSTED
@Helix | Kino Asamura | POSTED
@BobbySullivan | Bobby Buckets | POSTED
@Nik | Nicky Gaz Da Sixth | POSTED
@NorwayRP | Arri Graham | POSTED
@Kordruga | Vlad Visus | POSTED
@FalkRP | Benedict Falk | POSTED
@OiramRP | Mikael Belanger | POSTED
@Kai | Lenny Lurker | POSTED
@Blake | Gary Smith | POSTED
@Apollo | Dommy Kings | POSTED

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In addition to my POV I would like to state that at no point prior to them shooting at myself and our guy on the roof were any "death threats" made. They instantly shot at us half way through my statement. I was fully visible to them and they knew I was there as they shot at me. I would like to counter report them for invalid kill rights upon us. Assuming my megaphone speech was an initiation when they did not wait to hear fully what was being said before opening fire upon us.

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Here's what I saw in regards to this situation, I am told to we are making our way to the Island and we do just that. Then after we swim over, we get on the island and head towards the main gate and try to look around for ways into the Prison. While there was a few of us right infront of the gate an extremely loud voice is heard over the megaphone is heard saying something along the lines of "Everyone on the island put your hands up." 

So an initiation through a megaphone is technically allowed but it must be done correct and thats the tricky part. Afaik if you want to use a megaphone for an initiation you should state your name/group name, where you are and who you are initiating on with clear demands. That's not what happened at all, the megaphone blasted through the island and the initiation was not clear enough or did I know where it was coming from directly which is in violation of 4.1.

Then the shooting ensues, and I get stuck on @Blake and we die together like true chav brothers

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Aight, so I was heading to prison island with my good friends. After maybe about 2 mins after arriving we hear something through a megaphone in the lines of:" Everybody on the island put your hands up", or something like that. The initiation done through the megaphone was not done correctly and in general invalid. After the initiation we run towards the main gate and take shots from a window. I crouch down to boost a homie and 1 sec after I get sprayed down through the wall and falls to the ground with @Apollo, 2 seconds later we die in eachothers arms. 

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Hex's PoV: We are going to the prison island after discovering one of our stolen cars parked at the beach right before the island. We head over, though by the time I'm in the water swimming to the final part of the island, I hear the megaphone initiation telling everyone on the island to put their hands in the air, no more or less. a firefight breaks out and devolves into a like 4/6 hours siege. people die, people kill and eventually I die 15 minutes or so after we made entry into the prison, searching for the last survivor.

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Same situation so im just gonna provide the same POV.

My POV: 

I run from Polana to prison island to help the boys with the fight. When I get there, only one of the boys was alive, he dies and then I get rushed by a guy and get my body meat grinded.

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PoV: Hello again staff team! Unfortunately, I was not there to hear the initiation as I turned up late. Tried to get some form of chat from the islanders when I was there but they mustn't have heard me over the mortar team pelting grenades at us. Like I said in the other PoV, was strutting around looking for a siege tower location and caught an air burst to the teeth. Sorry I cannot provide more, love you xx

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Norway POV: was not present for the initiation itself was AFK rolled up about 20 mins after got killed through a wall by a grenade.

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G19 POV: We arrive on the island, see no one there so we decide to try to boost over. While boosting I hear "everyone on the island put your hands in the air" or something along those lines. I turn around and do not see the man who initiated, but I do see one of the people inside aiming a weapon at me, however he was NOT the one initiating, I fire at him to suppress while my comrades jump for cover. I jump off as well and die later on. The initiation was not valid in anyway. 

8 hours ago, Methias said:

In addition to my POV I would like to state that at no point prior to them shooting at myself and our guy on the roof were any "death threats" made. They instantly shot at us half way through my statement. I was fully visible to them and they knew I was there as they shot at me. I would like to counter report them for invalid kill rights upon us. Assuming my megaphone speech was an initiation when they did not wait to hear fully what was being said before opening fire upon us.

Hello, allow me to explain. As Rolle has said previously, these initiations are almost impossible to do correctly, hence why we all stay clear away from them. However, in this situation, you did not. You initiated from inside the tower of the prison building, tucked away. We could not see you where we were located, nor could the other 10-15 people in range that heard it that were against the building, swimming over, climbing on shore, in the camo building, etc. By saying "everyone on the island' you put yourself into a position where it is not possible in anyway for everyone to clearly see you, or know who said it. Even if you do claim to be out on the tower itself, there is literally no way possible to be visible to every person on the island that we had running around or hidden. Meaning the initiation was invalid because we did not know who said it, where exactly it came from (as there was not clear LoS) or who exactly it was on. There were countless people around that island, and I cannot stress enough that you could quite literally, in no way possible could you have been perfectly visible to all of them, not to mention that i do not believe you were out on the tower, as I was on the boost watching the tower and did not see you at all, the only person seen by us was one man on the roof with a rifle aimed at us, not the megaphone, and us "shooting at you" was us firing at the only person we could see raising a gun. You were not visible, we didn't know who you are or with, etc. This initiation was fundamentally invalid at its core, and you have even admitted to it in your POV's thus far.

22 hours ago, Lemons said:

“everyone on the island put your hands In the air”

 

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I have admitted to it in my pov? where is that my good man ? also point out where I have said in my POV that I was in the tower ? I was in the large window staring at 7+ of you.. I fail to see how I would know how many your numbers are in total as I was not apart of your group planning and strategy.. from what you are saying we should of just watched you jump the wall and come on in as there was no legal way for us to initiate as you have so many ways of making it invalid by hiding people all over the island with no clear LOS to all of them.. cmon.. lets be realistic here for a second .. we used the megaphone to make it louder and clearer for all of you on the island.. you cant play the card of "we didnt know who it was" its not upto you to know everyone in my group just as it is not upto me to know all of your "boys" either .. as for the fact you saw a gun raised at you and a voice coming over a megaphone.. this does not mean you can open fire on my guys either.. a raised weapon on its own does not grant you kill rights.. and as I have said before , you started shooting before you even heard all of my statement or ANY threats of death or injury to yourself.

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13 minutes ago, Methias said:

I have admitted to it in my pov?

I said POV's, and pointed out in Lemon's POV the initiation, which is invalid when said via megaphone.

8 hours ago, Methias said:

I was fully visible to them and they knew I was there as they shot at me.

I assumed this meant the tower, standing behind one of the 50 barred and some built windows is not plain sight at all and further carries my previous point, not everyone could see you.

13 minutes ago, Methias said:

from what you are saying we should of just watched you jump the wall and come on in as there was no legal way for us to initiate as you have so many ways of making it invalid by hiding people all over the island with no clear LOS to all of them

You can do it in VOIP? Would have taken 15 seconds to run over to us and initiate validly, surely you guys could have gotten more than close enough to do it.

13 minutes ago, Methias said:

I fail to see how I would know how many your numbers are in total as I was not apart of your group planning and strategy..

Precisely, you do not know, so it is far safer to initiate specifically and validly, rather than indiscriminately and widely on the entire island of unknowns to you.

13 minutes ago, Methias said:

as for the fact you saw a gun raised at you and a voice coming over a megaphone.. this does not mean you can open fire on my guys either.. a raised weapon on its own does not grant you kill rights.

No, a raised weapon does not grant kill rights. but a raised weapon and a demand, "everyone on the island put your hands in the air" does. No shots were fired until we were told to put our hands up. 

13 minutes ago, Methias said:

you started shooting before you even heard all of my statement or ANY threats of death or injury to yourself.

A threat does not need to be made, it is situational and has been this way for a long time and has been seen in many, many reports. Raising a firearm and making a demand is an initiation, you met both these criteria, except you did it in an invalid manor.

With your most recent POV you have admitted to where you were and what you did. You initiated via megaphone in a random window by saying "everyone on the island put your hands in the air". This is an invalid initiation. I will not reply further unless staff asks me to do so.

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My PoV will be kinda pointless but i ran up from Balota after logging in and being told of the fight i was a freshspawn from the night before, upon arriving at the island i handed over 2 grenades which were thrown at the gates got given an AK and a plate carrier and sat around doing pretty much nothing for a couple of hours until the server crashed the gates despawned and we were able to actually push in i ran into the courtyard dropped to 1 frame tried to run inside the building but kept teleporting back to the little arch i entered then got shot.

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https://imgur.com/a/5jIbe90

 

I was in the closest window possible to you guys wearing a light blue raincoat , short of setting myself on fire and covering myself in glitter with a sign above my head saying "please shoot me" I fail to see how much more obvious I could of been to the people at eye level 10 meters away from me .

 

in picture 3 you can see clearly from the position most of you were in at the time of the initiation someone in that window , and he is wearing camo.. imagine bright blue raincoat and red flatcap..

 

Edit : to add 3rd photo

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Pov: So im rolling dynamic with legion boys in polana, we decide to go to cherno. We hear rumors of them being robbed by people from prison island or people from there as there the only inhabitants of the surrounding area. We go and get initiated on by the person on the island via megaphone, we scatter and a fight ensues. I kill one on the roof, a few others inside get killed then a few of us die. After the long siege I get one shot in da head.


 

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Same situation so Imma post same POV:
 

Mikael Belanger Pov: I log in cherno and hear that we are planning to go to prison island. I make my way there and I make me a comfy spot on the boat with a kar98. After a while of nothing happening I go up to the island, scout around a bit for spots I could climb and find nothing. At one point while I was outside the walls I get my ass blown up and I log off.

However Id like to add that the invalid initiation was dropped when I near the docks just east of the prison island so I wasn't in voip of it.

 

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@SeversonRP @Lost @BobbySullivan @FalkRP & @Kai You have all been temporarily banned until you provide your pov & any video evidence.

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I was with the boys making my way down towards the island, if you see the position logs I was little behind as I was dying from no water. I get some water and swim over. I go to the camo building and wait as I was a spotter. I run over eventually and after a while I get blown up by a grenade and die.

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@FalkRP Your temp ban has now been lifted, please keep an eye on this report, as we may require you to answer more questions.

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Lemons has checked his plays.tv and found this. 

https://plays.tv/video/5d4abc85069c79fbec/hmm

As can be seen in this video you can hear our guy on the roof talk to them clearly twice and see people reacting by turning their chars towards him. 

You can also hear my statement and how quick they were to fire not hearing everything. Proving I could of been saying anything and they chose to fire anyway.

You can also hear that my voice comes from lemons right which validates I was in the window in the building to his right.

Also if you listen very very carefully towards the end you can hear the extent of roleplay we got from them which conisted of "Fuck off dickhead shut the fuck up"(1:43)

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29 minutes ago, Methias said:

Lemons has checked his plays.tv and found this. 

https://plays.tv/video/5d4abc85069c79fbec/hmm

As can be seen in this video you can hear our guy on the roof talk to them clearly twice and see people reacting by turning their chars towards him. 

You can also hear my statement and how quick they were to fire not hearing everything. Proving I could of been saying anything and they chose to fire anyway.

You can also hear that my voice comes from lemons right which validates I was in the window in the building to his right.

Also if you listen very very carefully towards the end you can hear the extent of roleplay we got from them which conisted of "Fuck off dickhead shut the fuck up"(1:43)

This video proves everything we spoke of before. No one turned around to your voice as well, watch carefully, no one reacts. Furthermore, this clip is ripe with metagaming. At around :25 seconds you hear someone speak in voip, yet they NEVER hotmic anything amongst themselves, which MUST be done in the presence of others. This clip shows they are metagaming rampantly and shows the invalid initiation on their part.

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33 minutes ago, JamesRP said:

This video proves everything we spoke of before. No one turned around to your voice as well, watch carefully, no one reacts. Furthermore, this clip is ripe with metagaming. At around :25 seconds you hear someone speak in voip, yet they NEVER hotmic anything amongst themselves, which MUST be done in the presence of others. This clip shows they are metagaming rampantly and shows the invalid initiation on their part.

If this was true we would also hear you talking by the ladder where you were stacking unless you telepathically communicated with each other what to do  this also shows you didn’t even try to roleplay or acknowledge your presence when you were told IG and proceed to stack you never stated why and what you wanted it was gear RP and Bad RP the first words we here from you is as stated are fuck off dickhead the initation didn’t even finish before you all opened fire at me and the person initiated as I could see from being on the roof of the prison you baited the initiation.

Also you wouldn’t know that was the place where the loot was as earlier that day all three of your guys were killed which means you used OOC info IC which is metagaming and earlier that day you attack a superior force and all died 6vs 3 which is NVFL/baiting also trying to get us to open the prison for water then initiating on the two people who came down .

 

I was also the first to die which would have granted defender rights to those within the prison also so never fired a shot at anyone as the logs will confirm

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