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Northern Kamensk | Legion Corporation | 03:45, 2019-07-25 | Invalid Initiation

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Server and location: Server 2, Northern Kamensk, Radio Tower

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 03:45, 2019-07-25

Your in game name: Kurt Cross

Names of allies involved: @MuffMart Jacob Wilson, @Doctor Ice Blake Dutton, @LuxPoseidon Sean Credvan, @Forest Gump Chase Reynolds

Name of suspect/s: Some of Legion Corporation, no names.

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): None as far as we know.

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): Currently none.

Detailed description of the events:

We were working on building up our base, and one of their members walked up to us and struck up a conversation about who we were, and we were just having a generally friendly conversation. The guy we were talking to seemed to have crashed or lagged out, and then his friend walked up and was talking to me and someone else, not too sure who else he was talking to. We walked back and talked for a few more seconds, and then I heard yelling which was likely a put your hands up, but I didn't understand a word of it, and gunfire rang out at about the same time. I didn't hear a coherent put your hands up until a few seconds later.I was shot at about 1-2 seconds after the original yelling, however none of the hits landed. After several shots went by me, I knew I was likely screwed no matter whether I didn't move and put my hands up, as I was already being shot at and just booked it to the west until I got shot twice and died.

Afterwards, I undeafened in discord, I lost my shit a bit, then started telling everyone to shut the fuck up and let people listen ingame. From what I can tell, those talking in discord were dead, except for Hazard and Chase, and Hazard wasn't on site at the time if I recall correctly, and was in the woods. Chase's mic wasn't working ingame either, so he was sorta freaking out about that. No meta information was shared whatsoever.

Edited by Elsyn
Misinformation in original POV due to me being an idiot.

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I was just taking down walls because they were placed incorrectly, when a guy with a blue armband comes up to us, I dropped my hatchet and pulled out my gun, I didn't point it or anything, afterwards him and I have a conversation about our groups, and he asks who we are when someone yells put your hands up, and instantly got shot. I didn't move or anything, I than ran around a corner and got shot dead. 

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I will start off by saying I have been playing for only a few days now,  I have been in a firefight or two and have enjoyed the rp that people have had around me. However, tonight was beyond me. A group of individuals came to our groups base, had a decent chat with some of out members and just as they go to leave they turn and yell "Put your hands up or die" by the way that's a crap way to start hostile rp. Going on from that I then proceeded to hear shots fired within 3 seconds of that sentence finishing. I run up to our half wall lookout area to determine the situation we were in just to get shot through the wooden paneling of the half wall as I was crouched on the second floor. I saw one hostile below me  never aimed at him, but was never the less shot through the wall and killed ending my rp before it even began. For a server focused on rp, This was not an enjoyable experience nor is it an okay way to portray serious rp in my opinion.

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Blake Dutton is my in game name, part of Operation Custodia,     
      around 11:40 pm to 12:00 pm est (server time 03:40 to 04:00) we were approached by two legion members then minutes past by having a nice conversation, they turn around and tell us to put our hands up then not even 10 seconds past I was being shot at point blank then I return fire now keep in mind I was the first one in my group to shoot because I was being shot at for no reason and I had defender rights from then "holding us up". They did not give 10 seconds that is so post to be provided to the ones that are being held up, no I got a maximum of 2 seconds before I was being sprayed at. I was KOSed, my shadow did not record. I believe someone in my group has proof of that and of them boosting in our base as well. I do not like how people can say "Hands up or die" then not give use the time that is in the rules of the server. 
 

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Connection Logs:

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02:43:59 | Player "Kurt Cross" is connected
- Server reset -
14:27:51 | Player "Kurt Cross" is connected
15:08:22 | Player "Kurt Cross" has been disconnected

03:34:25 | Player "Lucian LaChance" is connected
- Server reset -
04:02:00 | Player "Lucian LaChance" is connected
05:13:35 | Player "Lucian LaChance" has been disconnected

02:43:58 | Player "Jacob Wilson" is connected
- Dead -

04:01:21 | Player "Billy McKenna" is connected
05:13:56 | Player "Billy McKenna" has been disconnected

02:44:37 | Player "Andy Nguyen" is connected
- Server reset -
05:36:10 | Player "Andy Nguyen" Is connected
- Server reset -

03:45:07 | Player "James West" is connected
- Dead -

03:35:08 | Player "Arri Graham" is connected
- Server reset -
04:01:21 | Player "Arri Graham" is connected
05:23:26 | Player "Arri Graham" has been disconnected

02:46:21 | Player "Jake Colemen" is connected
- Dead -

02:44:00 | Player "Dominic Ryder" is connected
- Dead -

03:37:10 | Player "Mikael Belanger" is connected
- Dead -

02:44:35 | Player "Blake Dutton" is connected
- Dead -

02:44:36 | Player "Sean Credven" is connected
- Dead -

03:34:20 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" is connected
03:45:45 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" has been disconnected
03:46:23 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" is connected
- Server reset -
04:02:20 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" is connected
05:10:05 | Player "Jericho Carmichael" has been disconnected

02:44:29 | Player "Titus Young" is connected
- Dead -

02:44:42 | Player "Chase Reynolds" is connected
- Server reset -
04:02:00 | Player "Chase Reynolds" is connected
04:47:36 | Player "Chase Reynolds" has been disconnected
05:09:47 | Player "Chase Reynolds" is connected

Hit Logs:

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03:49:12 | Player "Jacob Wilson" hit by Player "Billy McKenna" with M4A1 from 34.763 meters
03:49:12 | Player "James West" hit by Player "Billy McKenna" with M4A1 from 32.061 meters 

03:49:14 | Player "Mikael Belanger" hit by Player "Blake Dutton" with FNX-45 from 6.5707 meters 
03:49:15 | Player "Mikael Belanger" hit by Player "Blake Dutton" with FNX-45 from 7.85308 meters 

03:49:15 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.05858 meters 
03:49:15 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.48897 meters 
03:49:15 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.54435 meters 
03:49:15 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.8078 meters 
03:49:15 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.81088 meters 
03:49:16 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.80917 meters 
03:49:16 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.66756 meters 
03:49:16 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.526 meters 
03:49:16 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.50803 meters 
03:49:16 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.50803 meters

03:49:15 | Player "Kurt Cross" hit by Player "Lucian LaChance" with M14 Springfield from 16.6366 meters 
03:49:17 | Player "Kurt Cross" hit by Player "Lucian LaChance" with M14 Springfield from 23.373 meters 
03:49:18 | Player "Jacob Wilson" hit by Player "Lucian LaChance" with M14 Springfield from 29.3465 meters 

03:49:18 | Player "James West" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 18.6146 meters 
03:49:18 | Player "James West" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 18.6146 meters 
03:49:18 | Player "James West" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 18.9058 meters 
03:51:47 | Player "Dominic Ryder" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Mosin Nagant 1930 from 223.705 meters 
03:51:47 | Player "Dominic Ryder" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Mosin Nagant 1930 from 223.705 meters 
03:51:47 | Player "Dominic Ryder" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Mosin Nagant 1930 from 223.705 meters 
03:55:48 | Player "Jake Colemen" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 6.89547 meters 
03:55:49 | Player "Jake Colemen" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 8.03776 meters 
03:55:53 | Player "Jake Colemen" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 3.90683 meters 
03:55:55 | Player "Jake Colemen" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 4.71762 meters 
03:55:55 | Player "Jake Colemen" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 4.71762 meters 
03:55:55 | Player "Jake Colemen" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 4.69174 meters 
03:55:55 | Player "Jake Colemen" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 4.69174 meters 
03:55:55 | Player "Jake Colemen" hit by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 4.9022 meters

03:49:34 | Player "Sean Credven" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 13.0291 meters 
03:49:34 | Player "Sean Credven" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 13.1704 meters 
03:49:35 | Player "Sean Credven" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 13.2841 meters 
03:49:35 | Player "Sean Credven" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 13.7477 meters 
03:49:35 | Player "Sean Credven" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 13.7477 meters 
03:49:35 | Player "Sean Credven" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 13.9093 meters
03:51:27 | Player "Titus Young" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 14.9259 meters 
03:51:27 | Player "Titus Young" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 14.9259 meters 
03:51:27 | Player "Titus Young" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 14.9259 meters 
03:51:27 | Player "Titus Young" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 14.9259 meters 
03:51:27 | Player "Titus Young" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 14.8345 meters 
03:51:27 | Player "Titus Young" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 14.8345 meters 
03:51:27 | Player "Titus Young" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 15.0093 meters 
03:51:27 | Player "Titus Young" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 15.0093 meters 
03:51:27 | Player "Titus Young" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 15.0093 meters 
03:51:27 | Player "Titus Young" hit by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 15.0093 meters 

03:51:15 | Player "Billy McKenna" hit by Player "Andy Nguyen" with M4A1 from 160.505 meters 

03:51:17 | Player "Mikael Belanger" hit by Player "Dominic Ryder" with Winchester Model 70 from 177.44 meters 
03:51:17 | Player "Mikael Belanger" hit by Player "Dominic Ryder" with Winchester Model 70 from 177.44 meters 
03:51:17 | Player "Mikael Belanger" hit by Player "Dominic Ryder" with Winchester Model 70 from 177.44 meters 
03:51:17 | Player "Mikael Belanger" hit by Player "Dominic Ryder" with Winchester Model 70 from 177.44 meters 

Kill Logs:

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03:49:16 | Player "Blake Dutton" (DEAD) killed by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.80917 meters 

03:49:17 | Player "Kurt Cross" (DEAD) killed by Player "Lucian LaChance" with M14 Springfield from 23.373 meters 
03:49:18 | Player "Jacob Wilson" (DEAD) killed by Player "Lucian LaChance" with M14 Springfield from 29.3465 meters 

03:49:18 | Player "James West" (DEAD) killed by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 18.9058 meters 
03:51:47 | Player "Dominic Ryder" (DEAD) killed by Player "Arri Graham" with Mosin Nagant 1930 from 223.705 meters 
03:55:55 | Player "Jake Colemen" (DEAD) killed by Player "Arri Graham" with Steyr AUG from 4.69174 meters 

03:49:35 | Player "Sean Credven" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 13.7477 meters 
03:51:27 | Player "Titus Young" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jericho Carmichael" with M4A1 from 14.9259 meters 

03:51:17 | Player "Mikael Belanger" (DEAD) killed by Player "Dominic Ryder" with Winchester Model 70 from 177.44 meters 

Chat logs:

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03:44:38 | Chat("Jericho Carmichael"): *HANDS THE MAN A LEGION CORP BUSINESS CARD*
03:44:45 | Chat("Jericho Carmichael"): //CHECK GROUP PAGE FOR INFO ON IT
03:44:51 | Chat("Jacob Wilson"): *he takes the card out of his hand and puts it in his back pocket*
03:50:30 | Chat("Chase Reynolds"): //ooc mic isnt working right
03:54:02 | Chat("Chase Reynolds"): //ooc mic isnt working what do i do?
03:54:16 | Chat("Jericho Carmichael"): //text rp 🙂
03:54:21 | Chat("Chase Reynolds"): //copy
03:54:44 | Chat("Chase Reynolds"): //ooc were good to go
04:05:01 | Chat("Billy McKenna"): //whats your ooc name on discord? to the hostage
04:05:14 | Chat("Chase Reynolds"): //let me copy paste it cause i dont remember
04:05:56 | Chat("Chase Reynolds"): //Chase#9030
04:06:08 | Chat("Chase Reynolds"): //9030
04:06:15 | Chat("Arri Graham"): //cheers
04:06:34 | Chat("Arri Graham"): ///mind speaking in voie after?
04:06:43 | Chat("Chase Reynolds"): //no problem
04:30:05 | Chat("Jericho Carmichael"): *hands the man a business card*//check legion corp group page for the info

Calling in the following people to post their Point of Views & any video evidence they may have:
@Elsyn | Kurt Cross | OP
@Hex | Lucian LaChance | POSTED
@MuffMart | Jacob Wilson | POSTED
@Frito Tito | Billy McKenna | POSTED
@Agent_Fishy | Andy Nguyen | POSTED
@KadenDaSniper | James West | POSTED
@NorwayRP | Arri Graham | POSTED
@HaZardouZPlayZ | Jake Colemen | POSTED
@Biologische | Dominic Ryder | POSTED
@OiramRP | Mikael Belanger | 
@Doctor Ice | Blake Dutton | POSTED
@LuxPoseidon | Sean Credven | POSTED
@G19RP | Jericho Carmichael | POSTED
@Freight | Titus Young | POSTED
@Forest Gump | Chase Reynolds | POSTED

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Alright, in this situation, I was just cutting down trees so that we could continue the expansion of out base.  When I was bringing back one of the logs, I saw multiple people talking to the leader of our "group".  I saw a little suspicious on why there were so many unknown people up at our base in Kamensk, which was so far out of the way.  For fear that things would go South, I went inside of our base and attached the combination lock to the gate so that no other random people could have free roam of our base.  Less than 5 minutes after me locking up the base I heard the suspicious guys say that they were "leaving" and then a couple seconds after that one of them yelled "ALRIGHT, NOW EVERYONE PUT YOUR HANDS UP".  Almost immediately after this was yelled, there was gunfire.  This left my teammates very little time to react to the situation as they said in a later discussion that they were more or less KOS'd.  The way that I died was rather weird.  My mic in game was not working for some reason and the hostile people were telling any people in the base to put their hands up.  I naturally wasn't going to do this as they just killed most of my squad and I wanted to take someone out with me.  All of the sudden one of the hostile people unloaded an M4 mag through the front gate (which mind you was sheet metal).  This was what ultimately killed me as someone was third person peaking over the base walls and blindly shooting me through the metal gate (which is a pretty cheap way to kill someone imo).

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Most of us in the discord were deafened at the time but when things went south everyone that died were unmuting and we were moving people out so others could hear. but no ic or rule breaking things were going on the only thing that was mentioned in discord was "everyone needs to shut the f*** up so we can hear. From my pov you can't see the initiation but you can hear what people say before the gunfire but when the gunfire stops you hear "everyone in the base put your hands up!"

At 00:13, you can hear @MuffMart answering "Nah, just call us whatever" to the leader originally asking if we have a name, then less than 2 seconds later all the gunfire rings out. If anyone DID say put your hands up, they definitely didn't give us time to react.

Too add to this though the contract wasn't on me and andy, it was on custodia as A whole as one of the members of the legion told me, if that matters. But in the above video I want to say that we were friendly up until they were leaving and all I heard were gunshots outside then after the shots had ceased we were told to put our hands up.

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G19 POV: We initiate on the men out front of the compound, I immediately turn tail to flank the compound and begin initiating in a ring around it. I initiate plenty of times, see men clearly not complying and shoot them. We then take the last guy hostage as he complies, roleplay with him for a while, give his gun and what not back and head off to Polana. 

Now let me break down the video. 

- It is every important to note that the man who is heard talking in the video is on the outside of the recorder's voip range, and we initiated from the opposite side of that man, meaning the person recording couldn't hear it, but obviously the people out front did. 

-  At 00:18 You can see the man claiming to get shot while complying, running away full sprint outside, clearly NOT COMPLYING, but instead trying to run full speed to cover. To prove this, at 00:34 my rounds hit the man on the second floor, and 19 seconds before that, in the video, the aforementioned man is hit while running, perfectly syncing to the logs of the man claiming to die while complying.

6 hours ago, Elsyn said:

and didn't even hear put your hands up until a couple of seconds later. I was gunned down maybe 2 seconds after the command was given to put up my hands

- At 00:26 you can hear as I have rounded the entirety of the base and am now in VOIP of the two men on top, keep in mind the man behind the recorder could hear me before the recorder did, as I came from outside VOIP range inwards,

-  At 00:29 you can very clearly see the man claiming here

5 hours ago, LuxPoseidon said:

I saw one hostile below me  never aimed at him

he very clearly in the video aims down at us below

- At 00:36 the man who has claimed to never aim his weapon is killed, while he is aiming right at me.

https://gyazo.com/d6ceb3bf144b43e40a5b39f5be7eed31

Furthermore, throughout the entirety of this video, you can see in the discord overlay both the recorder and the men who have died speaking in the discord, while the man recording never speaks in game as his voip icon never appears.

All in all, the men were given more than enough time to comply, and most immediately tried to fireback or run away, going against our clear demands. Also, two of the men here have lied in their POV's in an attempt to further their report agenda, not to mention the metagame that we see in the discord overlay. I will not respond further unless staff asks me to do so.

 

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Me and the boys head up the the compound after getting contracted out to dish out some revenge by the client. We find the base and a number of men outside building, where G19 goes to speak with them, chatting them up, even giving them our business card before crashing. Once he has returned, we wait a little longer before myself and the others surrounding the compound rush from tree cover and all initiate at the same time on the very large group right out front of the base. As we initiate, they begin to scatter, though I was primarily focused on the Northern most escape route, thus I only delt with the two men not complying and attempting to run behind the base/into the tree's. I spray both men down as they run as they are not complying with our demands, but otherwise do not shoot until I see them run. After the initial skirmish is over, we initiate a few more times on the compound to be sure we have rights on everyone inside as well before giving further demands to the men inside. As this is happening we take fire from the North and myself and Norway go to deal with the problem as the others wrap up the situation within the camp, taking @Forest Gump hostage and roleplaying with him for a significant period of time before returning what he could carry on him and his M249 back to him. 

Overall this report is salt plain and simple. Just because you were not given 10 hours to make up ya'lls mind about complying, doesnt mean we have to give you any more time to think once you have begun to disobey our demands when we have initiated. As soon as you non-comply, you can be shot. We gave clear commands to the group to put your hands up, everyone in our non-official group initiated properly by giving a demand ( Put your hands up ) and a consequence ( Or you will be shot/die ) Which is pretty clear what our intentions were at that point and pretty much everyone chose to not comply. Along with that, you can hear clearly through the video our mic comms during the situation as we double mic'ed everything we said over TS/radio as per the new rule, however I do not hear any of that from the man with the video or any allies.

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Posted (edited)

James West POV

I had just got back from a scavenging run and I had been helping with the base building. They came up and were having perfectly normal conversation and then they all scream "Put your hands up!" and everyone that can be outside the walls is immediately lit up and killed. When they started killing us I was the one in the video that was outside pointing their gun at the ground because I was having lag issues before they had initiated.(When I lag I look at the ground in game so it will subside because it loads less things) All I heard was them say that and then I'm greeted with a "You are dead" message. So this could be classified as an RDM because they clearly initiated but did not give anyone time to put their hands up or even raise our guns before they started firing, they started shooting immediately after the initiation. And this could be proven by me pointing my rifle at the ground, because I didn't react in any way(surrendering or retaliating)(My character can be seen in the video at 0:25

Edited by KadenDaSniper

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i need to leave for work ill edit this post when i get back. just want to post something to show ive seen this report. i myself have some of my own pov. i was killed rightfully i have no quarrel with this event. i cant upload the vid as of now. i will after work

(Edit) The only relevant footage is the sound of a a10 warthog coming from base. i was in the woods 300m or so away when initiation started. i had a fighting chance to defend so i fired back as best i could then attempted to relocate when i was shot in the back running into the treeline.

(edit 2) in my own opinion this whole situation is steamy doodoo. i have my own opinions on how itchy their trigger fingers mustve been. but i died with a fighting chance where i had returned fire.

 

Edited by Biologische

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4 hours ago, G19RP said:

At 00:36 the man who has claimed to never aim his weapon is killed, while he is aiming right at me.

Just to say, I wasn't aiming, my gun was in my hands however it was never raised to my shoulder and aimed at them. It may have moved up in my hands as in the animation of me sliding left and right but I am not a liar man, that is a low blow.

Edited by LuxPoseidon

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I wasn't there, way too far away to hear and know about any initiation. Decided to look back and try to shoot at the attackers because I heard a ton of shots and decided to take cover and look back and try to snipe through the brushes and trees. Only got one shot off before they chased me.

Edited by Agent_Fishy
Wasn't more detailed

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I do want to reply to G19 by informing him that there was NEVER any Metagaming in discord WHATSOEVER the only time I talked in discord 3 or 4 times and it was only because people in it were throwing a fit because they died and believed it was invalid initiation. After the clip ends I recall muting because people kept getting moved out because no one would shut up. But they never even gave callouts or anything that could be considered meta gaming in any way to me and the last man alive. I just want to make that very clear.

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57 minutes ago, Forest Gump said:

I do want to reply to G19 by informing him that there was NEVER any Metagaming in discord WHATSOEVER the only time I talked in discord 3 or 4 times and it was only because people in it were throwing a fit because they died and believed it was invalid initiation. After the clip ends I recall muting because people kept getting moved out because no one would shut up. But they never even gave callouts or anything that could be considered meta gaming in any way to me and the last man alive. I just want to make that very clear.

Not to mention everone was dead in seconds so how could they give call outs. When all they see is a black screen.  To even consider they were metagaming, giving callouts and usefull information after getting mowed like lawn is obserd. All it was, was salty yelling if anything.

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HaZard's POV

I was out of our base and I got radio contacted that we were about to be hit by the legion, so I get on our radio comms and say what was about to happen. A bit after that, people got initiate on, and from what I heard, multiple people were given no time to react or do anything, they just got sprayed down. I took cover and looked at the base, and then my teammate Dominick Ryder shot one and killed him, then he proceeded to get killed. I then fell back into the woods to go help my friend. Then, I ran into a legion member, I ran up to him and said "hey buddy what are you doing," before realizing that he had on an armband. He then proceeded to shoot me without knowing who I am. I had talked to him after the situation and he said I had raised my gun when I saw him I did not raise my gun till he started to fire then we traded bullets, then I died.

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7 hours ago, G19RP said:

G19 POV: We initiate on the men out front of the compound, I immediately turn tail to flank the compound and begin initiating in a ring around it. I initiate plenty of times, see men clearly not complying and shoot them. We then take the last guy hostage as he complies, roleplay with him for a while, give his gun and what not back and head off to Polana. 

Now let me break down the video. 

- It is every important to note that the man who is heard talking in the video is on the outside of the recorder's voip range, and we initiated from the opposite side of that man, meaning the person recording couldn't hear it, but obviously the people out front did. 

-  At 00:18 You can see the man claiming to get shot while complying, running away full sprint outside, clearly NOT COMPLYING, but instead trying to run full speed to cover. To prove this, at 00:34 my rounds hit the man on the second floor, and 19 seconds before that, in the video, the aforementioned man is hit while running, perfectly syncing to the logs of the man claiming to die while complying.

- At 00:26 you can hear as I have rounded the entirety of the base and am now in VOIP of the two men on top, keep in mind the man behind the recorder could hear me before the recorder did, as I came from outside VOIP range inwards,

-  At 00:29 you can very clearly see the man claiming here

he very clearly in the video aims down at us below

- At 00:36 the man who has claimed to never aim his weapon is killed, while he is aiming right at me.

https://gyazo.com/d6ceb3bf144b43e40a5b39f5be7eed31

Furthermore, throughout the entirety of this video, you can see in the discord overlay both the recorder and the men who have died speaking in the discord, while the man recording never speaks in game as his voip icon never appears.

All in all, the men were given more than enough time to comply, and most immediately tried to fireback or run away, going against our clear demands. Also, two of the men here have lied in their POV's in an attempt to further their report agenda, not to mention the metagame that we see in the discord overlay. I will not respond further unless staff asks me to do so.

 

Just to note. That is the animation of him moving from left to right. In the 8 sec clip provided he never raised his gun. Just reinforcing my idea u guy had ur boogerhooks on the bang bang switches the second yall got the contract

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Frito POV:
We traveled up to their base on a contract. When we arrived, one of our men started a conversation with the people at the compound up until his game crashed. After he loaded back into the game he continued to talk with them for a while more. Once we all initiated by telling them to put their hands up or die, I began to shoot the people that were not complying by either raising their weapons or running away. After the people in the outside were no longer a threat we re initiated on the people in that compound that might not have heard us. The people in the compound began to fire and point there weapons at us, so I opened fire back. At the end of the firefight we took a man hostage and later released him with his weapon.

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Arri Graham POV: Me and the boys get a contract/information from an undisclosed person for a retaliation strike against the guys up at Kamensk Radio tower so we rock on up there. After arriving G19 speaks to the lads until giving us the signal to initiate, we run up to initiate and all non comply damn near immediately as can be seen in the screenshots I'll post below with context.

First: at 0:18 you can see @MuffMartin full sprint before he is shot for the first time, it is crucial to note that he is only shot twice the entire fight so the fact he is already running when he is shot for the first time clearly marks his kill as valid https://gyazo.com/b1ee305d986c0ca53df7e8715d15ae36 

Second: at 0:25 seconds here https://gyazo.com/50d7e079909123e75007500698095074 you can see @KadenDaSniperfrozen aiming at the position that G19 was just at, it isn't my fault that his game froze in the midst of non compliance it happens to all of us. But the fact is clear that he was obviously attempting to non-comply by pulling out his rifle and aiming it at one of us after the initiation.

Third: at 0:30 @LuxPoseidonis very clearly holding E and aiming his rifle at G19/Hex's position https://gyazo.com/e501d48f3e0a6e6d243e540ffa93c36b during the initiation being dropped, along with that just prior to this screenshot @Forest Gumpis seen putting a 10 round burst downrange unto @Frito Tito. Showing that both Lux, and Forest were well aware of the situation and were attempting to use their dynamic rights before we had the chance to re-initiate AND EVEN THOUGH FOREST HAD USED HIS DYNAMIC RIGHTS BACK AGAINST US WE STILL RE INITIATED ON THOSE IN THE COMPOUND TO BE ABSOLUTELY SURE WE WERE CROSSING OUR T's. To further enhance the previous screen in this statement here is a clip of Lux in the ADS position again after the initiation aiming at where Hex and G19 were at. https://gyazo.com/d6ceb3bf144b43e40a5b39f5be7eed31

Along with this @Doctor Iceclaims that he was KOS'd with no time to comply, as the hit logs show "03:49:14 | Player "Mikael Belanger" hit by Player "Blake Dutton" with FNX-45 from 6.5707 meters" that @OiramRPwas shot before Ice was ever shot this is also very clearly another case of the OP's side lying in their POV's

POV Continues: After killing James West the man seen here frozen with his weapon raised attempting to non-comply I cycled back around and re-initiated at least 10 times on the base, I then proceeded to attempt to get G19 over the wall but in 3rd person saw Lux aiming his rifle, and after that saw Forest Gump still non-complying with his weapon raised which you can hear in the end of the video of me saying there was still another in that right hand corner. However, throughout the OP's sides video evidence not a single one speaks throughout the entire encounter, however their discords are lighting up constantly. Anyway, after G19 kills the two inside the base I move back North with my Mosin to scout the north tree's and spot @Biologischeas he is shooting @OiramRPin the back killing him. I also see @Agent_Fishyshoot @Frito Tito, at this point as I was standing not 5 meters from bands and I begin to take snaps way to close to my head, I sprint off to the west and engage the people shooting at me/bands. I see the guy who shot at me and bands and put a round over his head which misses but spooks Biologische enough to  make him fall back, as he hits the treeline I put one round into his back and he drops. I then proceed to chase the other shooter who evades me and runs along Debug. I sit in a pine tree for a moment looking for the combatant that had just shot at me and bands when another member of that dynamic runs up to me with his weapon raised saying "Hey whats up buddy" in an elevated tone, when he notices my armbands he darts to his right in between some birch trees while aiming at me. Seeing as it was maybe 20 seconds since the last shot that was fired, he was aiming at me from max 3 meters I sprint 3 meters towards the back of the pines and we engage each other. After this I head back to their base and RP with the hostage for like 20 minutes. 

 

And based off the demenor of some of the people's POV's and the fact that these same people's recollection of events are proven to be false in the video above I think it is clear to say this is another clear cut salt report without any real substance.

16 hours ago, Doctor Ice said:

I find these players ignorant and very bad RP players.

 

13 hours ago, Freight said:

This was what ultimately killed me as someone was third person peaking over the base walls and blindly shooting me through the metal gate (which is a pretty cheap way to kill someone imo).

 

5 hours ago, LuxPoseidon said:

left and right but I am not a liar man, that is a low blow.

 

16 hours ago, LuxPoseidon said:

by the way that's a crap way to start hostile rp

 

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. @NorwayRP Saying I was shot twice is correct, but if you look at the video, you can see me running away with damaged pants, meaning that before I even started running I was already hit once, which continues to make my point valid, As soon as they pronounced the "P" in up, I was shot. I then ran away since if I'm just standing there, and getting shot then theres no point in doing anything other than try to fight since my decision has already been made for me by you guys shooting me. 

 

 

Correction, The guy in the video  @     https://gyazo.com/b1ee305d986c0ca53df7e8715d15ae36Isn't even me, First things first, the guy in the video doesn't have a gun out. You can also see a stannag mag on his gun thats currently on his back. Secondly his backpack was one of those alice packs I believe. I had a canvas bag, and had an ak with a ghillie wrap out the entire time. Not to mention the person In the video has a jacket on, while my character had a black t-shirt

 

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1811688713

 

This is exactly what I was wearing during the fire fight, but the screenshot is from a few days before. My character is on the right.

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03:49:14 | Player "Mikael Belanger" hit by Player "Blake Dutton" with FNX-45 from 6.5707 meters 
03:49:15 | Player "Mikael Belanger" hit by Player "Blake Dutton" with FNX-45 from 7.85308 meters 

03:49:15 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.05858 meters 
03:49:15 | Player "Blake Dutton" hit by Player "Mikael Belanger" with AK-74 from 7.48897 meters

They were after me yes but again I do get a 5 seconds to comply but instead I got like 1 at best 2 seconds. 

I would not keep replying if I did not know if I was absolutely right in this case, they ruined this Rp experience for me and it has been very annoying when this event happened.

and I like to see any video proof that I am wrong @NorwayRP since he his going by the logs 

-USER HAS BEEN WARNED FOR THIS POST-

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As @OiramRP is the only remaining person to not post their POV they will be temp banned until they do so.

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@Doctor Ice I recommend you watch the video again and slow it down to .5 or .25 speed, upon doing so go to 28 seconds on the video. When Forest Gump turns around you will notice that the individual you are referencing above is leaned over the railing aiming his rifle over attempting to get a shot on G19.

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It seems like everyone (except for @OiramRP, I hope he has video or something.)has posted their POV, so we pretty much have the entire story, unless Oiram has a lot to add. I’d like to go ahead and say, this report was NOT made to insult any of the legion members. The little comments my group mates made, pointed out by @NorwayRP are unacceptable.

 

On another note, this was a complete shitshow and confused most of us. I feel like @KadenDaSniper was definitely not a valid kill. He was the 2nd person to get shot according to the hit logs, and was not non compliant, as he couldn’t move. He died way before it shows him fall in the video as he was lagging. Evidenced by the video being almost perfect to the beginning of 3:49:00, starting at about 3:48:59, when James West (Kaden) was killed at 3:49:18, his body didn’t fall until about 26 seconds into the video, which would be around 3:49:25.

 

When @NorwayRP said he was lagging in the midst of noncompliance, I think this could have been an honest mistake on his part because him having his gun out does look like that, however the majority of us had our guns out while talking to you guys because we were suspicious of what was going on. He was turned around and not moving, and was shot within the first 2 hits according to the hit log.

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I'm going to re-do my POV, due to misinformation considering I wrote this report at 1 AM after a long work day, and was tired and salty, and that is completely my fault. I will also edit my POV in the post, however I will make sure the old one is also available here.

 

I definitely was NOT shot 2 seconds after initiation, this is debunked by hit logs. I meant I was shot AT, and that's completely my bad for not clarifying that, and I understand @G19RP thinking I was lying to further a report agenda. I believe I could have been a valid kill, however since I was being shot at, I am really not sure. After several shots went by, I realized I was basically fucked no matter what I did, so I turned around and booked it to the West, and you can see me at 18 seconds into the video. I don't think it was MuffMart, I honestly have no clue who it was. I then got hit twice and died.

 

Afterwards, I undeafened in discord, I lost my shit a bit, then started telling everyone to shut the fuck up and let people listen ingame. From what I can tell, those talking in discord were dead, except for Hazard and Chase, and Hazard wasn't on site at the time if I recall correctly, and was in the woods. Chase's mic wasn't working ingame either, so he was sorta freaking out about that. No meta information was shared whatsoever.  I hope this can clear up misinformation, either from my part, or anyone else recounting my POV.

OLD POV FOR THOSE WHO WANT IT :We were working on building up our base, and one of their members walked up to us and struck up a conversation about who we were, and we were just having a generally friendly conversation. The guy we were talking to seemed to have crashed or lagged out, and then his friend walked up and was talking to me and someone else, not too sure who else he was talking to. We walked back and talked for a few more seconds,  then I heard tons of fucking gunfire, and didn't even hear put your hands up until a couple of seconds later. I was gunned down maybe 2 seconds after the command was given to put up my hands, as were many of my group-mates. A bit later, after many of us died, we found out they had a contract on 2 of our members, Chase Reynolds, and Andy Nguyen.

NEW POV :

We were working on building up our base, and one of their members walked up to us and struck up a conversation about who we were, and we were just having a generally friendly conversation. The guy we were talking to seemed to have crashed or lagged out, and then his friend walked up and was talking to me and someone else, not too sure who else he was talking to. We walked back and talked for a few more seconds, and then I heard yelling which was likely a put your hands up, but I didn't understand a word of it, and gunfire rang out at about the same time. I didn't hear a coherent put your hands up until a few seconds later.I was shot at about 1-2 seconds after the original yelling, however none of the hits landed. After several shots went by me, I knew I was likely screwed no matter whether I didn't move and put my hands up, as I was already being shot at and just booked it to the west until I got shot twice and died.

Afterwards, I undeafened in discord, I lost my shit a bit, then started telling everyone to shut the fuck up and let people listen ingame. From what I can tell, those talking in discord were dead, except for Hazard and Chase, and Hazard wasn't on site at the time if I recall correctly, and was in the woods. Chase's mic wasn't working ingame either, so he was sorta freaking out about that. No meta information was shared whatsoever.

 

And that is all. I hope everyone can continue this without insulting eachother.

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