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S2: West of Stary Yar | Invalid Kill

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Server and location: Server 2 West of Stary Yar

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2019-06-24, 01:23(?)

Your in game name: Danya Blazek

Names of allies involved: CDF

Name of suspect/s: @ThrashRP 

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): No

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): None, but location and kill logs should show.

Detailed description of the events: We were cooking meat in a barn when multiple random people showed up, one of them talking to some of my group members. We decided to move south when the attacking party began to follow after us in full sprint with guns out. Some of the attackers initiates on some of the CDF in the back, which I was a too far away to hear, but I heard a volley of automatic fire so I take cover behind a hay bale. As i'm sitting behind the hay bale, a full firefight ensues and I get shot twice while sitting behind a hay bale out of nowhere, nobody initiating on me. Eventually, all the random attackers died in the area, and we decide to move out of the area to evaluate our wounds after a while of no shots being fired or seeing any of the attackers, so we move down the road, when out of nowhere I get shot at, then I get hit and killed with no initiation. After dying and moving myself out of the channel, I am later told that the person who shot me was nowhere near the initial fight, instead the person was by the barn we were originally in. The position logs of @ThrashRP will show that he was nowhere near the original kills in which HIS friends initiated on us, which resulted in us firing back at them. At no point do the attacking parties friends gain 'defense' rights off of 'attacking' rights due to another group fighting back against demands made which has been said multiple times by staff members, including @Roland. Below is a map to somewhat show positioning of where I was shot from

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Edited by groovy chernon
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Connection Logs:

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01:29:44 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" is connected
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" (DEAD)

01:28:22 | Player "Antoly Petrov" is connected
01:46:45 | Player "Antoly Petrov" (DEAD) 

23:56:33 | Player "Danya Blazek" is connected
01:51:46 | Player "Danya Blazek" (DEAD)

01:02:09 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" is connected
01:51:53 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" (DEAD)

23:56:28 | Player "Leopold Kolinski" is connected
02:03:06 | Player "Leopold Kolinski" is connected
02:20:34 | Player "Leopold Kolinski" has been disconnected

23:56:29 | Player "Patrick Doubek" is connected
01:46:57 | Player "Patrick Doubek" has been disconnected
01:54:37 | Player "Patrick Doubek" is connected
01:57:07 | Player "Patrick Doubek" has been disconnected
02:00:11 | Player "Patrick Doubek" is connected

23:40:27 | Player "Radovan Janousek" is connected
23:54:30 | Player "Radovan Janousek" has been disconnected
23:55:32 | Player "Radovan Janousek" is connected
No disconnection log

01:23:09 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" is connected
01:47:22 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" (DEAD)

23:55:32 | Player "Vasili Belinksy" is connected
02:01:41 | Player "Vasili Belinksy" is connected
02:51:54 | Player "Vasili Belinksy" has been disconnected

01:33:07 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" is connected
01:47:44 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" (DEAD)

23:55:54 | Player "Vojtech Kral" is connected
01:46:07 | Player "Vojtech Kral" (DEAD)

Hit Logs:

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01:46:07 | Player "Vojtech Kral" hit by Player "Antoly Petrov" with KA-M from 42.6484 meters 
01:46:07 | Player "Vojtech Kral" hit by Player "Aleksander Reznov" with LAR from 34.6669 meters 
01:46:07 | Player "Vojtech Kral" hit by Player "Aleksander Reznov" with LAR from 34.6669 meters 
01:46:20 | Player "Aleksander Reznov" hit by Player "Patrick Doubek" with KA-M from 36.0661 meters 
01:46:34 | Player "Antoly Petrov" hit by Player "Patrick Doubek" with KA-M from 32.0166 meters 
01:46:38 | Player "Aleksander Reznov" hit by Player "Patrick Doubek" with KA-M from 15.8853 meters 
01:46:38 | Player "Aleksander Reznov" hit by Player "Patrick Doubek" with KA-M from 15.9441 meters 
01:46:38 | Player "Patrick Doubek" hit by Player "Aleksander Reznov" with LAR from 16.0104 meters 
01:46:39 | Player "Aleksander Reznov" hit by Player "Patrick Doubek" with KA-M from 16.1692 meters 
01:46:39 | Player "Aleksander Reznov" hit by Player "Patrick Doubek" with KA-M from 16.2745 meters 
01:46:45 | Player "Antoly Petrov" hit by Player "Patrick Doubek" with KA-M from 19.5511 meters 
01:46:46 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 5.05955 meters 
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 4.82905 meters 
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 4.82905 meters 
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 4.80379 meters 
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 4.80379 meters 
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 4.80379 meters 
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 4.80379 meters 
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 4.80379 meters 
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 4.79165 meters 
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 4.79165 meters 
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 4.79165 meters 
01:46:48 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 5.26671 meters 
01:46:48 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 5.27265 meters 
01:46:48 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 5.57699 meters 
01:46:48 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 5.57699 meters 
01:46:48 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 5.58957 meters 
01:46:48 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 5.58957 meters 
01:46:50 | Player "Patrick Doubek" hit by Player "Vaughn Rastyev" with M1A SOCOM from 32.0826 meters 
01:46:50 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 41.6518 meters 
01:47:11 | Player "Danya Blazek" hit by Player "Sevchenko Seba" with KA-M from 58.7443 meters 
01:47:11 | Player "Danya Blazek" hit by Player "Sevchenko Seba" with KA-M from 58.7443 meters 
01:47:11 | Player "Danya Blazek" hit by Player "Sevchenko Seba" with KA-M from 58.7443 meters 
01:47:12 | Player "Danya Blazek" hit by Player "Sevchenko Seba" with KA-M from 58.9509 meters 
01:47:20 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" hit by Player "Leopold Kolinski" with KA-M from 15.6607 meters 
01:47:22 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" hit by Player "Leopold Kolinski" with KA-M from 16.7037 meters 
01:47:22 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" hit by Player "Leopold Kolinski" with KA-M from 16.7037 meters 
01:47:22 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" hit by Player "Leopold Kolinski" with KA-M from 16.7037 meters 
01:47:25 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" hit by Player "Leopold Kolinski" with KA-M from 3.32474 meters 
01:47:26 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" hit by Player "Leopold Kolinski" with KA-M from 2.94342 meters 
01:47:26 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" hit by Player "Leopold Kolinski" with KA-M from 2.94342 meters 
01:47:41 | Player "Radovan Janousek" hit by Player "Vaughn Rastyev" with M1A SOCOM from 8.34674 meters 
01:47:44 | Player "Radovan Janousek" hit by Player "Vaughn Rastyev" with M1A SOCOM from 8.47155 meters 
01:47:44 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 8.47247 meters 
01:47:44 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 8.46241 meters 
01:47:44 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 8.46241 meters 
01:47:44 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 8.46241 meters 
01:47:45 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" hit by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 8.7537 meters 
01:51:46 | Player "Danya Blazek" hit by Player "Iakov Zavrazin" with Steyr AUG from 152.706 meters 
01:51:53 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" hit by Player "Vasili Belinksy" with M14 Springfield from 135.727 meters 
01:51:58 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" hit by Player "Vasili Belinksy" with M14 Springfield from 137.35 meters 
01:51:58 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" hit by Player "Vasili Belinksy" with M14 Springfield from 137.35 meters 

Kill Logs:

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01:46:07 | Player "Vojtech Kral" (DEAD) killed by Player "Aleksander Reznov" with LAR from 34.6669 meters 
01:46:39 | Player "Aleksander Reznov" (DEAD) killed by Player "Patrick Doubek" with KA-M from 16.1692 meters 
01:46:45 | Player "Antoly Petrov" (DEAD) killed by Player "Patrick Doubek" with KA-M from 19.5511 meters 
01:46:47 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" (DEAD) killed by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 4.80379 meters 
01:46:50 | Player "Patrick Doubek" (DEAD) killed by Player "Vaughn Rastyev" with M1A SOCOM from 32.0826 meters 
01:47:22 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" (DEAD) killed by Player "Leopold Kolinski" with KA-M from 16.7037 meters 
01:47:44 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" (DEAD) killed by Player "Radovan Janousek" with KA-M from 8.46241 meters 
01:51:46 | Player "Danya Blazek" (DEAD) killed by Player "Iakov Zavrazin" with Steyr AUG from 152.706 meters 
01:51:53 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" (DEAD) killed by Player "Vasili Belinksy" with M14 Springfield from 135.727 meters

Position Logs:

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01:30:25 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" (pos=<3800.0, 15342.5, 410.1>)
01:35:26 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" (pos=<2985.7, 15266.9, 381.8>) 
01:40:27 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" (pos=<2205.6, 15148.4, 441.6>) 
01:45:27 | Player "Adrik Zaitsev" (pos=<2023.9, 15134.6, 447.8>) 

01:30:25 | Player "Antoly Petrov" (pos=<3646.4, 15323.1, 377.9>) 
01:35:26 | Player "Antoly Petrov" (pos=<2952.7, 15216, 387.6>) 
01:40:27 | Player "Antoly Petrov" (pos=<2203.3, 15148.7, 441.6>)
01:45:27 | Player "Antoly Petrov" (pos=<2059.2, 15151.6, 446.2>) 
01:50:28 | Player "Antoly Petrov" (pos=<13684.3, 12217.1, 49.6>) 
01:55:29 | Player "Antoly Petrov" (pos=<14177.8, 12969.1, 4.7>) 
02:00:30 | Player "Antoly Petrov" (pos=<13920.3, 13202.8, 19.4>)  

01:30:25 | Player "Danya Blazek" (pos=<2195.0, 15247.4, 435.3>) 
01:35:26 | Player "Danya Blazek" (pos=<2039.6, 15154.3, 448.9>) 
01:40:27 | Player "Danya Blazek" (pos=<2012.2, 15176.6, 448.6>) 
01:45:27 | Player "Danya Blazek" (pos=<2098.3, 15069.2, 446.0>) 
01:50:28 | Player "Danya Blazek" (pos=<2120.4, 15003.2, 447.2>) 
02:00:30 | Player "Danya Blazek" (pos=<9065.5, 5651.5, 292.4>) 

01:30:25 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" (pos=<6276.2, 12728.3, 156.0>) 
01:35:26 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" (pos=<5175.7, 13046.2, 175.0>) 
01:40:27 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" (pos=<3738.9, 13328.2, 206.3>) 
01:45:27 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" (pos=<3390.5, 14752.3, 304.9>) 
01:50:28 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" (pos=<2355.5, 14750, 432.4>) 

01:30:25 | Player "Leopold Kolinski" (pos=<2269.8, 15262.1, 430.3>) 
01:35:26 | Player "Leopold Kolinski" (pos=<2013.5, 15164.1, 448.6>) 
01:40:27 | Player "Leopold Kolinski" (pos=<2013.2, 15164.4, 448.6>) 
01:45:27 | Player "Leopold Kolinski" (pos=<2102.7, 15064.6, 446.1>) 
01:50:28 | Player "Leopold Kolinski" (pos=<2046.9, 14964.2, 442.4>)
01:55:29 | Player "Leopold Kolinski" (pos=<1863.5, 14761.3, 435.3>)
02:00:30 | Player "Leopold Kolinski" (pos=<1660.4, 14520, 450.3>) 

01:30:25 | Player "Patrick Doubek" (pos=<2180.6, 15254.9, 435.3>) 
01:35:26 | Player "Patrick Doubek" (pos=<2036.0, 15151, 449.9>) 
01:40:27 | Player "Patrick Doubek" (pos=<2031.1, 15147.1, 450.3>) 
01:45:27 | Player "Patrick Doubek" (pos=<2064.6, 15090.6, 446.3>)
01:55:29 | Player "Patrick Doubek" (pos=<5310.6, 3401.3, 149.1>)  
02:00:30 | Player "Patrick Doubek" (pos=<10270.9, 6399.4, 277.8>) 

01:30:25 | Player "Radovan Janousek" (pos=<2193.3, 15246.2, 435.3>)
01:35:26 | Player "Radovan Janousek" (pos=<2013.0, 15170.6, 448.6>) 
01:40:27 | Player "Radovan Janousek" (pos=<2016.1, 15167.5, 448.6>)
01:45:27 | Player "Radovan Janousek" (pos=<2040.5, 15039.3, 446.8>)
01:50:28 | Player "Radovan Janousek" (pos=<2060.7, 14985.3, 444.3>) 
01:55:29 | Player "Radovan Janousek" (pos=<1856.9, 14742.1, 435.2>) 
02:00:30 | Player "Radovan Janousek" (pos=<1658.6, 14517.2, 451.5>)  

01:30:25 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" (pos=<2969.2, 15354.9, 378.8>) 
01:35:26 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" (pos=<2216.2, 15331, 431.8>) 
01:40:27 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" (pos=<2214.7, 15328.7, 432.0>) 
01:45:27 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" (pos=<2173.7, 15261.5, 435.6>) 

01:30:25 | Player "Vasili Belinksy" (pos=<2188.5, 15258.5, 435.3>) 
01:35:26 | Player "Vasili Belinksy" (pos=<2033.0, 15147, 450.9>) 
01:40:27 | Player "Vasili Belinksy" (pos=<2013.3, 15166.8, 448.6>) 
01:45:27 | Player "Vasili Belinksy" (pos=<2104.3, 15068.9, 445.8>)  
01:50:28 | Player "Vasili Belinksy" (pos=<2025.5, 14948.6, 440.5>)
01:55:29 | Player "Vasili Belinksy" (pos=<1860.0, 14752.6, 435.5>) 
02:00:30 | Player "Vasili Belinksy" (pos=<1660.6, 14515, 450.7>) 

01:35:26 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" (pos=<3534.3, 15342.5, 354.0>) 
01:40:27 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" (pos=<2313.2, 15350, 423.4>) 
01:45:27 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" (pos=<2017.8, 15126.9, 448.0>)
01:55:29 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" (pos=<4370.9, 4659.3, 232.1>) 
02:00:30 | Player "Vaughn Rastyev" (pos=<3505.1, 4968.3, 250.2>) 
 
01:30:25 | Player "Vojtech Kral" (pos=<2266.3, 15257.2, 431.9>) 
01:35:26 | Player "Vojtech Kral" (pos=<2033.8, 15147.7, 450.9>) 
01:40:27 | Player "Vojtech Kral" (pos=<2033.8, 15147.7, 450.9>) 
01:45:27 | Player "Vojtech Kral" (pos=<2051.1, 15101.7, 446.8>) 
01:50:28 | Player "Vojtech Kral" (pos=<11186.6, 5162.7, 280.5>) 
01:55:29 | Player "Vojtech Kral" (pos=<11306.1, 5800.0, 265.5>) 
02:00:30 | Player "Vojtech Kral" (pos=<10438.9, 5979.1, 284.3>) 

 

Calling in to post POVs

@groovy chernon | Danya Blazek | POSTED

@ThrashRP | Iakov Zavrazin | POSTED

@Hex | Sevchenko Seba | POSTED

@Groovy Grimm | Vasili Belinksy | POSTED

@groovy vnp | Leopold Kolinski | POSTED

@G19RP | Adrik Zaitsev | POSTED

@JamesRP | Antoly Petrov | POSTED

@Mexi | Patrick Doubek | POSTED

@Ducky | Radovan Janousek | POSTED

@Kricket | Vaughn Rastyev | POSTED

@groovy cali | Vojtech Kral | POSTED

Please give a FULL and DETAILED POV.
Any VIDEO EVIDENCE should also be provided.
Thank you.

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Hex’s pov 

We head up to the North West region above Tizy military base after hearing about a potential base up there. After a long trek there, we don’t see much and as we are moving closer I spot a group hanging out at a large haystack near a short barn. After a brief discussion on how to handle the situation, we go up to speak with them and discover it to be CDF, our IC enemies. CDF are listed enemies in our group page as they directly stand in the way of our goals. 

We chase them down after they leave and initiate. We are aware of the rules that prevent us from just opening up and there is a very awkward period where some people are shooting but others are literally staring at each other with guns raised but can’t fire due to the rules. I am a bit further back from the main group in the fight and keep my gun up and aimed in, but do not fire. I notice the man I’m aiming at turns and sights in on me which causes me to break line of sight and move positions, as this is happening shots crack around me and at this point I have been shot at so I am free to engage those shooing at my allies, which are now being pushed by 3-4 CDF through the field while my allies take cover behind the hay bales. One rounds on my guys close with his gun up and I shoot him several times as shown by the logs. My allies closest to the CDF are killed and I am cut off, pinned and flanked before being killed. A well played strategy by the CDF boys might I add.

overall I believed the situation to be handled within the scope of the rules, despite being really quite ridiculous because both groups sat there looking at each other for a solid minute or two before able to actually engage in a proper gunfight.

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Vasili Belinsky POV: Me and the rest of the CDF boys were up near Stary Yar cooking some beef when one guy walks up and begins talking to us. As he is talking to us I spot another man trying to get on our flank, after spotting this, we begin to move out. As we begin to head east to return to base, a large volume of automatic fire comes out from behind me. I turn around to see one of the other CDF boys die. I take position behind a hay bale and return fire at the people shooting at us, dont believe i hit any one though. After the fight is over, we begin to fall back to heal up and finish returning to base. On our way out of the area @groovy chernon gets shot killing him as he was already low on health from the fight. I spot the smoke from the shots behind a tree and after a few shots I hit him, killing him

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Thrash's POV: I get near the area of the firefight, knowing my friends are in the area. I hear an initiation drop over the radio as I approach even further, shortly after the initiation drops, I take shots and snaps over my head before relocating to another area, where I wait for an opportunity to shoot. Seeing one after awhile, I move up  popping shots over at the party of CDF, before trying to retreat shortly after and dying.

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1 hour ago, ThrashRP said:

Thrash's POV: I get near the area of the firefight, knowing my friends are in the area. I hear an initiation drop over the radio as I approach even further, shortly after the initiation drops, I take shots and snaps over my head before relocating to another area, where I wait for an opportunity to shoot. Seeing one after awhile, I move up  popping shots over at the party of CDF, before trying to retreat shortly after and dying.

Snaps do not give you kill rights. Your friends initiated and you were not a part of the initiation, you don't gain defense rights off of your friends attacking rights due to your group not being approved.

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3 hours ago, groovy chernon said:

Snaps do not give you kill rights. Your friends initiated and you were not a part of the initiation, you don't gain defense rights off of your friends attacking rights due to your group not being approved.

What you're implying here, is that if you get shot at, that doesn't give you kill rights. 

 

https://gyazo.com/798e9fddcc0cb568b33f2fb86a649914

In this report, I have screenshoted your POV where you explicitly state that your guys taking shots gives you rights, it's the same situation. The rules do not change because you are on the side that gets initiated on.

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VNPOV:

We were hanging out by a barn up north, some guys show up and seem a little sketchy so we start leaving. As we all leave a bunch of shooting starts at the back of the column. I am taking cover around the right flank then someone calls a general push so I start pushing the flank. Someone near the yellow house starts shooting at us and I flank him and gun him down. We then sweep the bodies making sure we got everyone. @groovy chernon gets killed as we leave and @Groovy Grimm and I flank and kill the last man. 

I am unsure how the man at the yellow house or the last sniper man got kill rights, as they had certainly not been a part of the group who initiated on @groovy cali.

I am unsure if @ThrashRP (being that last guy) was shot at, seeing as from my understanding he was behind us, and we obviously didn't know he was there, I assume the snaps he speaks of were shots fired at us that missed and possibly landed near him.

If anyone did shoot at you, it was likely your own people.

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Patrick Doubek PoV -

We loop around the north after looking for some people for questioning as well as being informed of some friendly settlements, some of the lads were hungry so we hold up outside of a barn East of Tisy, get the fire on and begin to cook. All of a sudden someone appears and begins talking to us in a very chilled way so we thought nothing of it. We wrap up the conversation and make the call to move out and begin to leave south when all of a sudden a flood of people wearing a multitude of 'slavic' like clothing begin to sprint towards us and as expected, an initiation drops.

I killed two and am shot as I am going for cover to bandage during the fight and leave the channel. 

7 hours ago, ThrashRP said:

What you're implying here, is that if you get shot at, that doesn't give you kill rights. 

 

https://gyazo.com/798e9fddcc0cb568b33f2fb86a649914

In this report, I have screenshoted your POV where you explicitly state that your guys taking shots gives you rights, it's the same situation. The rules do not change because you are on the side that gets initiated on.

No, Thrash. What he's implying is, if you hear snaps it doesn't give you rights which is what you stated in DM's shortly after you had died, repeatedly.

You can screenshot his PoV all you like, during that time we were in Kamenici which were an approved group. One of the benefits of being an approved group is that you share KOS rights just as you would defence rights, we had already initiated on ONE during this situation, but as the rest of the members of your group back then decided to shoot at us, he gained rights on them also, not that we're here to discuss other reports.

Back to the report at hand..

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I killed two and am shot as I am going for cover to bandage during the fight and leave the channel. 

After, a couple of minutes go by and EVERYONE that had been killed in close vicinity that would have had rights on us was dead, I get poked to rejoin the channel as people thought it was over when all of a sudden Chernon is apparently shot out of nowhere by someone, positioned at the barn as shown in the image Chernon uploaded. - Seems I was given the wrong position. Refer to Ducky's PoV about positioning.

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Red = Barn (Where we talked to them originally)

Green = CDF (Where the fight took place)

Black arrow/ Green Circle = Fight area

Snaps do NOT give you rights to shoot at someone, 3 or so minutes had passed after the last kill on the people who had rights before out of nowhere you used imaginary rights to kill Chernon.
 

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01:47:22 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" (DEAD) killed by Player "Leopold Kolinski" with KA-M from 16.7037 meters

01:51:46 | Player "Danya Blazek" (DEAD) killed by Player "Iakov Zavrazin" with Steyr AUG from 152.706 meters

 

As shown in the logs above, you were 150 meters away from the situation. If Snaps gave you rights, I'd be able to sit in a town when a firefight is kicking off and just wait to hear ONE stray round go overhead during either a firefight or someone killing a zombie and just go in and kill the person. However, that would be KOS. There was no attempt to kill you because no one was aware of your presence until you suddenly shot Chernon.

The rights you used were clearly fabricated just so you could grab one before getting shot yourself. 

Edit: Not only what I mentioned above, the only 'snaps' you would have got was from your party seeing as they were shooting towards the barn south of where the fight was.

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Ducky POV:

Got some intel about people in the north, went to investigate and we come across this merry band of Ruskies.

Some chatter is had, we decide to leave towards the south, an initiation is dropped, firefight erupts and ends rather quickly.

We proceed to exfil towards the south when Chernon is shot and killed from the opposite direction, several minutes after the firefight ended.

 

Here is a picture of the map and the firefight to my knowledge.

 

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Green is where we originally talked to them.

Red is where we moved to, and where they dropped the initiation and the firefight took place.

Cyan is the direction we exfiltrated in, the cross being roughly where Chernon died if I remember correctly.

Purple is the direction Thrash came from, and the cross is roughly where he died.

Dark Blue circles are the lakes

 

 

I fail to see how @ThrashRP could have been there for the initation, let alone taken shots from us when he was effectively "Behind" us, and most likely in the woods way out east. I believe Position logs will confirm that assumption.

Any shots he may have taken would have likely been stray shots from his own people, as we were in the right side of the red circle shooting left, and they were in the left side of the red circle shooting right.

 

@Mademoiselle Is there a rough ETA on position logs for this? It is rather vital

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Position logs added.

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On 6/24/2019 at 1:46 PM, Mademoiselle said:

Kill Logs

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01:47:22 | Player "Sevchenko Seba" (DEAD) killed by Player "Leopold Kolinski" with KA-M from 16.7037 meters 

01:51:46 | Player "Danya Blazek" (DEAD) killed by Player "Iakov Zavrazin" with Steyr AUG from 152.706 meters 

01:51:53 | Player "Iakov Zavrazin" (DEAD) killed by Player "Vasili Belinksy" with M14 Springfield from 135.727 meters 

 

 

Above we see the kill on Seba, which signifies the end of the firefight at 01:47

And below on this image, we can see peoples positions at 1:45 and 1:50.

@ThrashRP You only just arrived at the treeline a mere 2 minutes and 38 seconds after the firefight ended, and you claim to have taken shots by us? Meanwhile the other position logs indicate we are moving south and away from your respected location.

 

Lets not forget that, you are claiming that you were fired at and relocated to a different location, trying to find a position to take a shot, I'll be honest, I find that hard to believe.

You were not present for the initiation, you were not fired at and you decided to use rights which ultimately you did not have.

Not only do the position logs prove that you invalidly killed Chernon, but they also prove that the majority of what you have said in your POV has been fabricated.

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Not only that, but now we also have Vojtech's death at 1:46 signaling the start of the fight, further proving that you were no-where near the damn place when the initiation dropped, and that you arrived far too late to even be involved, let alone have any shots directed at you.

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All logs and callins have now been updated.

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Hanging out at the barn complex after wacking stannis over the head and instantly killing him. Seeing about if it was considered a glitch or not, so we were sitting around a barn cooking up meat as we tried to figure out what to do in regards to a dead stannis.

 

I look about and see G19 role up to the barn and join me ontop of the heigh bale as we were staring at cows in the distance.

 

We chatted for a bit, got word that stannis's death was legit, and decide to pack up and go deliver his gear back to him. I turn around and see 5-6 people chasing behind me, they initiate, I run to a heigh bale and die.

 

Besides me being initiated on and dying instantly, instigating the fight, there's not much on my end since I was the first death.

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Me and the guys are up north and spot these people near a barn. One of the guys begins talking to them and I stroll up to talk briefly with one of them. I then continue my way just looting nearby houses as one my allies talks to them. They leave and we decide to initiate. One does not comply, ending up in him getting killed and a small firefight breaks out. The coms were very silent nearing the end and I assumed I was the last alive, however I never asked as I knew there was hostiles still around. I took my moment to kill one of them and, of course, most of my rounds end up being blanks and I end up dying.

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I don’t know what else to say, I took shots while approaching from where you guys were. So I reapproached and took shots. Simple as that

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18 minutes ago, ThrashRP said:

I don’t know what else to say, I took shots while approaching from where you guys were. So I reapproached and took shots. Simple as that

You arrived three minutes late to a firefight you did not participate in, there is no feasible way you could have taken any snaps.

If I was to entertain the idea of any snaps being possible it would have been your own friends firing over our heads, and the bullets flying a full kilometer or more into the forest where you were approaching from.

 

Again @ThrashRP, I see no feasible way your POV makes sense, and I see it as a fabricated alibi in order to justify rights which you have not gained.

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My POV: G19 and Kricket go talk to the CDF at the barns, after small chatter they run off and we follow. We were running towards the group of CDF in the field, I initiated with the rest of the boys and the guy we initiated on gets killed for not complying, I then take cover behind a hay bale right before getting my head blown off.

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Since it has been 24 hours, @G19RP will be temp banned until he posts a FULL and DETAILED POV.

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G19: Find CDF and follow them, initiate, shots start to fly everywhere. I get ghost bullets and die almost immediately.

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@G19RP you temp ban has been removed from this report.

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Greetings, the staff team have reviewed this report and come to a conclusion. In this situation the RP boys find and initiate on the CDF, during which @ThrashRP attempts to run up and get involved in the firefight. During this run up he hears snaps, and, due to this, proceeds to shoot and kill @groovy chernon. Now this is problematic because of two reasons.

First, by actively running into an open field towards a firefight, you are essentially attempting to bait shots in order to get involved, therefore any rights gained from such an action would be considered invalid. That does not mean that, however, had you been hit the rights on you would have been valid either, and were any logs present on the opposing side showing them attempting to shoot you before you became involved they would have been punished accordingly. As it is however, we cannot prove any of the CDF shot at you, or indeed if you were shot at at all. That being said you will not be found guilty of baiting as we cannot prove your intent in the matter, however we cannot have people running into firefights attempting to gain rights all the same.

Second as your group is not an official group, you do not share attacker rights. As such you will be found guilty of invalid kill - on sight, not firefight because you were not involved in the fight at the time.

 

@ThrashRP - Invalid Kill : On Sight - Guilty 7 days and 10 points

 

Signed by @Zanaan with notes

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