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S1: Attempted KOS - 1:30pmEST 6/16/19

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Server and location: Server 1, Severograd "Hilltop" Base

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 1:30pmEST 6/16/19

Your in game name: Dakota Hardt

Names of allies involved: N/A

Name of suspect/s: N/A

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): 

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

 

Detailed description of the events: 

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Connection Logs:

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20:24:32 | Player "Dakota Hardt" is connected
00:03:13 | Player "Dakota Hardt" has been disconnected

20:22:17 | Player "Vali Kuznetsov" is connected
21:12:11 | Player "Vali Kuznetsov" has been disconnected

 

Hit Logs:

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21:11:56 | Player "Dakota Hardt" hit by Player "Vali Kuznetsov" with SG5-K from 2.44178 meters 
21:11:56 | Player "Dakota Hardt" hit by Player "Vali Kuznetsov" with SG5-K from 2.40755 meters 
21:11:56 | Player "Dakota Hardt" hit by Player "Vali Kuznetsov" with SG5-K from 2.40755 meters 
21:11:57 | Player "Dakota Hardt" hit by Player "Vali Kuznetsov" with SG5-K from 2.59403 meters 
21:11:58 | Player "Vali Kuznetsov" hit by Player "Dakota Hardt" with M1A SOCOM from 2.67642 meters 
21:11:58 | Player "Vali Kuznetsov" hit by Player "Dakota Hardt" with M1A SOCOM from 2.67642 meters 
21:11:58 | Player "Vali Kuznetsov" hit by Player "Dakota Hardt" with M1A SOCOM from 2.67642 meters 

 

Kill Logs:

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21:11:58 | Player "Vali Kuznetsov" (DEAD) killed by Player "Dakota Hardt" with M1A SOCOM from 2.67642 meters 

 

Calling in:

@HDragon For his full POV as well as any video evidence he may have.

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Posted (edited)

I am only posting because I have information that is relevant to the verdict of this report

 

@ChiefDas is part of Potius Cras and our group is KOSable there fore any kill or attempted kill on his character is valid at any time for any reason or no reason at all, I’m not sure if he forgot before he posted this here I am messaging now, but he knew this upon joining us — he just hasn’t gotten back to me yet — im sure he will when he’s online 

 

I apologize to the staff for their time and any inconvenience

Edited by GaryCash

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At the time of the kill and the posting of the Report @ChiefDas was in Potius Cras, he just left the CP now, however, he was in the CP at the time of the encounter-- therefore making the KOS/attempted KOS upon him valid

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I joined the group Potius Cras OOC 3 weeks ago, but never had any interaction with them IC beyond a few passive encounters. In fact in the past 3 weeks I've been RPing while being part of said group OOC, my character has done nothing but see more reason not to be part of the group. I'm aware of the groups little rules, but as far as I'm concerned, they never applied to me because I was never actually IN Potius Cras. Only contacted about joining the day I joined the server. I only joined the group because I thought the camp I was RPing with sort of "belonged" to PC. It doesn't.

Dunno why that needed to be said here of all places. But there ya go.

Edited by ChiefDas

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The staff team will review what has been said, with that please prevent any back and forth.

Only post on this report if called in as well.

Failure to do so will result in points.
First and only warning.

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I’m posting with the permission of @Derek Steel here but I really didn’t want it to come to this... I would like to push for a false report against @ChiefDas as much as I do like him... as he was well aware of the fact that he was KOSable while in the KOSable group, and him trying to drop the group CP mid report is him trying to get around the rules — it is not the fault of the player who attacked him if he choose not to leave the CP until it was convenient for him— this report threatens my entire group and it’s reputation and the communities faith in the group and what we represent / the kind of RP / game play dynamics we try to bring to the community

we’ve existed for over a year with little to know problems and we would like to continue to exist in the years to come going forwards continuing to provide great and unique RP situations that you won’t find elsewhere on the servers — I hope that one player who is refusing to honor what he said he would won’t be allowed to ruin our group going forwards 

 

with that said here is evidence that @ChiefDas knew what he signed on for and this is a false report— on two separate days I explained to him we were KOSable and he stated he understood this before I accepted his request to join us

 

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as can can be clearly seen here he knew what he signed on for when HE REQUESTED to join the CP

 

At first I thought he had forgotten now I see he was trying to work around the rules in a way that was convenient for him

i seriously like @ChiefDas but I can’t let one player ruin a group that has been around for over a year and has seen over a 100 members in it who all agree to the play style that it requires while they are in it which is why I need to prove to the community that our group will not tolerate this kind of behavior and is why I am pushing for a false report against someone I genuinely like even though I was kind of offended by the “groups little rules” comment as it came off as condescending 

 

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Edited because I tried but can't delete the extra image^

Edited by GaryCash

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Posted (edited)

Lol.
I'm not gonna sit here and play report tag.

The simple fact of the matter is, I, as Dakota Hardt the character, was never part of PC to begin with. I expressed interest my first week being part of the server, he kept pushing the idea of PC on to me, the group I was part of IC seemed to mostly be part of it, so I clicked a button on a page too. You can see all of that in the pictures he posted above. I literally said, "I tried looking for their group on the forums, saw that they were part of PC, so I joined too". Lol like, c'mon. Beyond that and him being like, "are you cool with our groups rules?" over discord, I will say this again, I was never part of Potius Cras.

There is no ulterior motive. No, "trying to work around the rules in a way that was convenient for him". 
A guy ran in to my base, tried to KOS me, I reported it, and now this guy is worried about the image of his group because he wants all his members to be able to be killed on sight and this report somehow effects that.

Edited for clarity.

Edited by ChiefDas

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Yeah I'm sorry but I don't see Chief anywhere on the CP? That means his character will not be a KoSable and bear in mind @GaryCash you're treading a very thin line here with the whole KoS thing, we can't force custom rules that group leaders want to force on their members and then hold their base rights to report back.

Waiting for @HDragon to post his PoV before action is taken.

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17 minutes ago, JimRP said:

Yeah I'm sorry but I don't see Chief anywhere on the CP? That means his character will not be a KoSable and bear in mind @GaryCash you're treading a very thin line here with the whole KoS thing, we can't force custom rules that group leaders want to force on their members and then hold their base rights to report back.

Waiting for @HDragon to post his PoV before action is taken.

 

Posting because it’s relevant:

 

He was on the CP at the time the report was posted, he only left between my first and second post

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16 minutes ago, GaryCash said:

 

Posting because it’s relevant:

 

He was on the CP at the time the report was posted, he only left between my first and second post

I currently can't see that on the CP so I'll ask Roland about that and confirm with him. However, it is kind of hard to enforce this custom rule you're trying to enforce against your own members, it goes against one of our core rules and it's hard to keep a user's right away from him because his group leader wants to enforce that rule on his members. Now Gary, please stop replying to the report unless you were directly involved in it. Also this doesn't excuse the fact that the person started shooting without an initiation or anything like that, is just BadRP on the shooter's side.

Before Roland confirms this to me Chief, I'll ask you one last time - were you on the CP of PC when this happened?

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Hey my bad for joining the party late.
 

So I had been sneaking around in the base for a fat minute and was planning on hitting the armory. So when I was in there I heard footsteps outside and I figured I was either about to be shot or initiated on. So I held my ground and as soon as I saw him walk in with his weapon raised I said, "Put your hands up". I figured I was about to be shot but wanted to make sure I had some form of initiation. This can't be heard in the video and I believe it is due to the amount of server lag. I have a video but it will take a few to get it up so give me like 20-30min

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I was informed by @Zanaan that each user signs an agreement, can you show proof of Chief signing said agreement @GaryCash?

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8 minutes ago, JimRP said:

I was informed by @Zanaan that each user signs an agreement, can you show proof of Chief signing said agreement @GaryCash?

Those discord posts would be that, I confirm with him asking him multiple times would he be okay with being KOSable, which he agrees to as fine as the discord posts show

I posted the discord posts in my third post on this report

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3 minutes ago, GaryCash said:

Those discord posts would be that, I confirm with him asking him multiple times would he be okay with being KOSable, which he agrees to as fine as the discord posts show

I posted the discord posts in my third post on this report

Yes but where's an agreement to him waivering his rights to reporting if he gets KoS'd is what I'm asking you for. You never told him "if you get KoS'd, you can't report btw, do you agree?".

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2 minutes ago, JimRP said:

Yes but where's an agreement to him waivering his rights to reporting if he gets KoS'd is what I'm asking you for. You never told him "if you get KoS'd, you can't report btw, do you agree?".

I figured that was covered based off what he said and confirmed with me that he agreed to

I took this as his statements that he was fine with our rules which is why i accepted his request to join the groupA37D7028-35CA-4A61-B2B1-0E5BDDC4344E.png.0f5e641d5f79888ecfaad25be307a2e2.pngC6E615A5-9D27-42F6-A33C-165A914EAE8B.png.4157adf01a11897c2bc75b8752650ed1.pngD3FBC7F5-8872-4F32-9EF0-400A57DEAD45.png.0bb6cc58f54af43e6d9297d5abb19d59.png2A3954FB-476E-427D-93A0-3498481EF60C.png.43360c44df22c82faed34cbc04b6faf2.png

 

it it clearly states there multiple times that in order to be in our group he will have to make his character KOSable which he agreed to

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2 minutes ago, GaryCash said:

I figured that was covered based off what he said and confirmed with me that he agreed to

I took this as his statements that he was fine with our rules which is why i accepted his request to join the groupA37D7028-35CA-4A61-B2B1-0E5BDDC4344E.png.0f5e641d5f79888ecfaad25be307a2e2.pngC6E615A5-9D27-42F6-A33C-165A914EAE8B.png.4157adf01a11897c2bc75b8752650ed1.pngD3FBC7F5-8872-4F32-9EF0-400A57DEAD45.png.0bb6cc58f54af43e6d9297d5abb19d59.png2A3954FB-476E-427D-93A0-3498481EF60C.png.43360c44df22c82faed34cbc04b6faf2.png

it it clearly states there multiple times that in order to be in our group he will have to make his character KOSable which he agreed to

That does not state he waivers his rights to reporting and from what he's saying I really don't see 100% him saying yes to being KOSable.

3 minutes ago, HDragon said:

 

You literally popped your mic key for a second before beginning to shoot, hence why you were not heard. It wasn't an audio bug due to the "lag".

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Like I said, I was really panicked especially because he entered with his weapons raised at me whilst in their base. That is a big yikes tho.

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1 minute ago, HDragon said:

Like I said, I was really panicked especially because he entered with his weapons raised at me whilst in their base. That is a big yikes tho.

Yes, he had rights on you, you did not have defensive rights since he hadn't initiated.

Also I don't see a radio in your inventory while you were talking on Discord, care to explain that?

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I was talking to one of my friends while he edited videos. He wasn't in game at the time and we were just bullshitting around while we both did separate things.

The person I was talking to was @Robert Faltin

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if if he hadn’t fully agreed like he had here and I thought there was any chance of him that ever throwing up a KOS report I would have never accepted his request to join the group... he clearly says he’s okay with it multiple times declaring he remembered what I had said to him

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i dont know how much clearer I could have been honestly, he speaks for English perfectly, he understood what was being said there

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Just now, HDragon said:

I was talking to one of my friends while he edited videos. He wasn't in game at the time and we were just bullshitting around while we both did separate things.

Yes however you were still transmitting IC info OOC, something the other person could've easily used. If you do not have a radio on you, you may not transmit any IC information to anyone OOCly as stated in 3.6.

Just now, GaryCash said:

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if if he hadn’t fully agreed like he had here and I thought there was any chance of him that ever throwing up a KOS report I would have never accepted his request to join the group... he clearly says he’s okay with it multiple times declaring he remembered what I had said to him

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i dont know how much clearer I could have been honestly, he speaks for English perfectly, he understood what was being said there

Yes, saying you understand you can be KoS'd doesn't mean you waiver your rights to reporting said person when you get KoS'd, which is why having a rule like this in a group is pretty hard to enforce in reports.

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Posted (edited)

I’ll make sure to change my system going forwards forcing all my new and old members to say they waiv there right for KOS reports on our group page going forwards, I’m sorry it took this to make me realize a system like this is necessary 

Edited by GaryCash

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So you are telling me that I can't talk to anyone while playing? I am talking to someone who isn't logged on, I'm not using my character's Russian accent to speak to him. 

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