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S1 - 3:40AM - North of Severograd - Possible KOS, Ruleplay

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Server and location: S1 North of Severograd

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 3:40AM

Your in game name: Alexandr Kozak

Names of allies involved: @California @Ducky @-Chow- @Veryniceperson @ImGrimm

Name of suspect/s: @NorwayRP @ZorullRP

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): Of the situation, no from me.

Detailed description of the events: 

We move towards the north for the first time in a week after dealing with some southern issues and go towards a camp we remembered that was in place last time we came north.

We approach the camp and someone called 'Juice' opens the door to let us in after we request he come back to the camp for a chat as we thought he was someone we were looking for. Upon walking in a southern lady begins to get uppity and shout at us, we tell her to sit down in the courtyard after short verbal hostile engagement which concluded with ZERO initiations from our side. Not once were weapons raised and demands made, they had the chance to decline for us to then decide how to proceed, instead they listened and gathered. One man however interrupted @Ducky which lead to him being hit ONCE and shouted at. Prior to this the man said he had just woken up, so any defence rights previously gained were void due to logging cancelling out an RP scenario and the people that shot at us not being in the camp would therefore have no rights due no new interactions taking place.

After around 5-10 minutes of RP, we get the information we wanted and leave pleasantly thanking them for what we had been told.

Not even 30 seconds after leaving we are fired upon by someone on the hill randomly which threw us completely off because no one had rights to shoot us as we hadn't initiated.

After leaving the area due to not waiting to shoot people not involved we go to the helpdesk in hopes to ask the people involved how they thought they had rights and talk it out, unfortuantely they were unable to come to the Helpdesk for 25-30 minutes due to real life situations taking place, which is fine and here we are. I'd however like to say that @SeversonRP spoke for a brief moment on their behalf with a statement from Norway which explained their side of the situation, which included mention of the person Ducky hit being apart of their 'dynamic' as he hadn't yet been added to the roster meaning group defensive rights were not directly shared, as mentioned previously the man that was hit by Ducky had logged/relogged (which we gather due to his mention of 'just waking up') and no continuation of the RP was made by the attacking side. Unfortunately I only have the arse end of this conversation recorded which can be listened to here. Before someone calls 'Shadowplay' with my recording, I use a hotkey with OBS which was pressed shortly after his statement was given.

Not that the above particularly matters because no initiation was dropped in the first place.

@Realize has a recording of the statement given to Severson by Norway which if given permission by the appropriate people he can post in the report.

I've mentioned KOS as a possibility because of the mention from the person hit by Ducky saying he'd only just woke up, logging out concludes RP which in turn would void defence rights if they were even gained.

Ruleplay because again, nothing was taken, no one was robbed or given demands that their lives were under threat if they didn't follow a demand, we requested people come to the middle of their little courtyard and talk to us for a brief moment which they did.
A similar situation took place not too long ago with the same rules standing in place where a member of our group was punched repeatedly and knocked out, but there was no rights gained and the person who in turn shot someone else involved, got hit for rule play, I'll link below in a spoiler.

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I apologise if parts of this come across as broken English, this was typed out at 5:30am and I'm shattered.

Thanks.

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edit - Logs can be posted, we'd like to see the disconnect logs etc.

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Kill Logs:

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02:42:27 | Player "Josa Vacek" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jivan Simonian" with LAR from 268.529 meters 
02:47:09 | Player "Havel Blazek" (DEAD) killed by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with LAR from 38.5766 meters 
02:47:52 | Player "Mikhail Barta" (DEAD) killed by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with LAR from 13.6848 meters 

Hit Logs:

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02:37:20 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" hit by Player "Mikhail Barta" with M249 SAW from 283.513 meters 
02:37:21 | Player "Mikhail Barta" hit by Player "Zadoc Sahakian" with KA-M from 72.4858 meters 
02:37:21 | Player "Mikhail Barta" hit by Player "Zadoc Sahakian" with KA-M from 72.4858 meters 
02:37:21 | Player "Mikhail Barta" hit by Player "Zadoc Sahakian" with KA-M from 72.4858 meters 
02:37:37 | Player "Zadoc Sahakian" hit by Player "Josa Vacek" with M70 Tundra from 72.57 meters
02:42:26 | Player "Josa Vacek" hit by Player "Jivan Simonian" with LAR from 268.309 meters 
02:42:27 | Player "Josa Vacek" hit by Player "Jivan Simonian" with LAR from 268.529 meters 
02:42:27 | Player "Josa Vacek" hit by Player "Jivan Simonian" with LAR from 268.529 meters 
02:47:50 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" hit by Player "Mikhail Barta" with M249 SAW from 15.0291 meters 
02:47:51 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" hit by Player "Mikhail Barta" with M249 SAW from 13.492 meters 
02:47:52 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" hit by Player "Mikhail Barta" with M249 SAW from 13.5963 meters 
02:47:52 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" hit by Player "Mikhail Barta" with M249 SAW from 13.6125 meters 
02:47:52 | Player "Mikhail Barta" hit by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with LAR from 13.6848 meters 
02:47:52 | Player "Mikhail Barta" hit by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with LAR from 13.6848 meters 
02:47:52 | Player "Mikhail Barta" hit by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with LAR from 13.6647 meters 
02:47:53 | Player "Mikhail Barta" hit by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with LAR from 14.5991 meters 
02:47:53 | Player "Mikhail Barta" hit by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with LAR from 14.5991 meters 
02:47:53 | Player "Mikhail Barta" hit by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with LAR from 14.5991 meters 
02:47:53 | Player "Mikhail Barta" hit by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with LAR from 14.8747 meters 
02:47:53 | Player "Mikhail Barta" hit by Player "Pavel Ivanov" with LAR from 14.8747 meters 

Chat Logs:

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02:28:51 | Chat("Alexandr Kozak"): //Only one of the Mic's has that issue. The second was fine, we all heard it fine as I'm sure you did.
02:33:11 | Chat("Alexandr Kozak"): *He'd whisper* "For what its worth, we dont need these people"

Position Logs:

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02:04:17 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<6880.3, 11436.7, 405.8>) 
02:09:17 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<6877.2, 11437.5, 405.7>) 
02:14:17 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<7201.5, 11738.7, 332.3>) 
02:19:17 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<8057.6, 12633.7, 118.7>) 
02:24:18 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<8161.3, 13110.2, 156.6>) 
02:29:18 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<8147.7, 13111.4, 159.2>) 
02:34:19 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<8150.3, 13113.3, 156.5>) 
02:39:20 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<8282.6, 13088.9, 144.9>) 
02:44:20 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<8223.1, 13264.6, 163.1>) 
02:50:02 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<7639.4, 13614.5, 213.7>) 
02:55:04 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<6543.2, 13328.7, 232.5>) 
03:00:08 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<6149.8, 13106.1, 215.3>) 
03:05:09 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<6149.7, 13107.2, 215.4>) 
03:10:09 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<6149.7, 13107.2, 215.4>) 
03:15:10 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<6149.6, 13107.1, 215.4>) 
03:20:10 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<6149.9, 13107, 215.4>) 
03:25:11 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" (pos=<6149.8, 13106.8, 215.3>) 

02:04:17 | Player "Havel Blazek" (pos=<6883.9, 11430.5, 405.8>) 
02:09:17 | Player "Havel Blazek" (pos=<6893.3, 11435.3, 405.9>) 
02:14:17 | Player "Havel Blazek" (pos=<7186.4, 11727.8, 333.4>) 
02:19:17 | Player "Havel Blazek" (pos=<8063.5, 12637.5, 118.6>) 
02:24:18 | Player "Havel Blazek" (pos=<8149.3, 13114.3, 156.6>) 
02:29:18 | Player "Havel Blazek" (pos=<8158.5, 13121.5, 154.2>) 
02:34:19 | Player "Havel Blazek" (pos=<8155.3, 13119.2, 154.2>) 
02:39:20 | Player "Havel Blazek" (pos=<7927.4, 13021.4, 150.7>) 
02:44:20 | Player "Havel Blazek" (pos=<7830.9, 12978.9, 149.1>) 

02:04:17 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8085.0, 12640.2, 117.7>) 
02:09:17 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8214.6, 11935.4, 163.5>) 
02:14:17 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8107.0, 11081.8, 230.8>) 
02:19:17 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8144.9, 11007.8, 247.8>) 
02:24:18 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8029.9, 11202.2, 213.8>) 
02:29:18 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<7895.0, 12199.6, 165.5>) 
02:34:19 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<7733.9, 12952.9, 150.2>) 
02:39:20 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<7880.1, 13432, 193.3>) 
02:44:20 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8004.6, 13253.6, 172.4>) 
02:50:02 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<7807.2, 12969.8, 148.7>) 
02:55:04 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8027.3, 13030, 147.4>) 
03:00:08 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8151.9, 13125, 154.2>) 
03:05:09 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8155.1, 13170.7, 157.9>) 
03:10:09 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8159, 13149, 154.2>) 
03:15:10 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8146.2, 13162, 155.3>) 
03:20:10 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8146.2, 13162, 155.3>) 
03:25:11 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8155.0, 13112.6, 154.0>) 
03:30:12 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8155.6, 13135.2, 154.2>) 
03:35:12 | Player "Jivan Simonian" (pos=<8152.4, 13161.9, 154.6>) 

02:04:17 | Player "Josa Vacek" (pos=<6899.6, 11413.7, 405.9>) 
02:09:17 | Player "Josa Vacek" (pos=<6888.3, 11427.1, 405.9>) 
02:14:17 | Player "Josa Vacek" (pos=<7194.0, 11735, 332.9>) 
02:19:17 | Player "Josa Vacek" (pos=<8049.2, 12570.1, 117.3>) 
02:24:18 | Player "Josa Vacek" (pos=<8155.2, 13120.4, 154.2>) 
02:29:18 | Player "Josa Vacek" (pos=<8152.4, 13120.3, 154.2>) 
02:34:19 | Player "Josa Vacek" (pos=<8152.2, 13120, 154.2>) 
02:39:20 | Player "Josa Vacek" (pos=<8040.1, 13030.2, 146.4>) 

02:04:17 | Player "Mikhail Barta" (pos=<6879.3, 11441.1, 405.5>) 
02:09:17 | Player "Mikhail Barta" (pos=<6875.9, 11446.2, 405.9>) 
02:14:17 | Player "Mikhail Barta" (pos=<7198.0, 11742.3, 332.8>) 
02:19:17 | Player "Mikhail Barta" (pos=<8044.8, 12566.6, 117.2>) 
02:24:18 | Player "Mikhail Barta" (pos=<8142.0, 13125.4, 157.0>) 
02:29:18 | Player "Mikhail Barta" (pos=<8148.2, 13138.5, 156.9>) 
02:34:19 | Player "Mikhail Barta" (pos=<8149.1, 13114.9, 156.6>) 
02:39:20 | Player "Mikhail Barta" (pos=<8025.9, 13030.1, 150.7>) 
02:44:20 | Player "Mikhail Barta" (pos=<7885.6, 12886.2, 129.3>) 

02:00:49 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6051.5, 7836.9, 301.0>) 
02:05:49 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6051.5, 7836.9, 301.0>) 
02:10:50 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6051.5, 7836.9, 301.0>) 
02:15:51 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6068.1, 7851.4, 301.0>) 
02:20:51 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6032.6, 7825.9, 300.9>) 
02:25:51 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6048.9, 7841.1, 301.0>) 
02:30:52 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6063.3, 7850.8, 301.0>) 
02:35:52 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6056.0, 7852.5, 301.0>) 
02:40:57 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6066.5, 7853.6, 301.0>) 
02:45:58 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6063.4, 7850.8, 301.0>) 
02:50:59 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6064.1, 7850.3, 301.0>) 
02:56:00 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<5969.6, 7904.9, 303.6>) 
03:01:00 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6032.6, 8234.1, 334.6>) 
03:06:00 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6861.9, 9220.7, 350.8>) 
03:11:01 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<7012.3, 10035.4, 356.6>) 
03:16:02 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6963.1, 11282.5, 379.9>) 
03:21:02 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6962.0, 11328.9, 390.7>) 
03:26:02 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" (pos=<6963.6, 11328.5, 390.6>) 

02:04:17 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<6875.8, 11445.3, 405.0>) 
02:09:17 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<6887.1, 11447.4, 404.8>) 
02:14:17 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<7170.5, 11707.6, 334.6>) 
02:19:17 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<8055.8, 12629.7, 119.1>) 
02:24:18 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<8154.2, 13168.2, 161.1>) 
02:29:18 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<8156.2, 13137.4, 154.2>) 
02:34:19 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<8151, 13132.7, 154.2>) 
02:39:20 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<8291.1, 13087.4, 143.9>) 
02:44:20 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<8225.8, 13263.8, 162.9>) 
02:50:02 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<7679.4, 13639.5, 214.2>) 
02:55:04 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<6541.7, 13334.3, 233.2>) 
03:00:08 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<6147.1, 13095.9, 214.1>) 
03:05:09 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<6147.1, 13095.9, 214.1>) 
03:10:09 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<6148.0, 13094.9, 214.0>) 
03:15:10 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<6146.9, 13095.2, 214.0>) 
03:20:10 | Player "Yuri Izanov" (pos=<6146.7, 13095.4, 214.0>) 

Connection Logs:

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01:15:57 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" is connected
03:25:29 | Player "Alexandr Kozak" has been disconnected

23:50:06 | Player "Havel Blazek" is connected
02:47:52 | Player "Havel Blazek" (DEAD) died.

01:28:06 | Player "Jivan Simonian" is connected
No Disconnection Log

01:12:22 | Player "Josa Vacek" is connected
02:43:05 | Player "Josa Vacek" has been disconnected

01:11:38 | Player "Mikhail Barta" is connected
02:48:01 | Player "Mikhail Barta" has been disconnected

01:56:23 | Player "Pavel Ivanov" is connected
No Disconnection Log

00:26:38 | Player "Yuri Izanov" is connected
03:20:42 | Player "Yuri Izanov" has been disconnected

01:54:16 | Player "Zadoc Sahakian" has been disconnected
02:15:05 | Player "Zadoc Sahakian" is connected
02:15:57 | Player "Zadoc Sahakian" has been disconnected
02:34:08 | Player "Zadoc Sahakian" is connected
04:30:25 | Player "Zadoc Sahakian" is connected
04:31:00 | Player "Zadoc Sahakian" has been disconnected

Calling In:

@Mexi - Alexandr Kozak | POSTED
@California - Mikhail Barta |
@Ducky - Maxmilian Vitek Myska |
@Veryniceperson - Yuri Izanov |
@ImGrimm - Havel Blazek |

@NorwayRP - Pavel Ivanov |
@ZorullRP - Jivan Simonian |
@-CML- DexAgon - Zadoc Sahakian |

For their full and detailed PoV, names of allies involved but not already called in, and any video evidence you may have. Due to the number of people involved in this report please do not contribute to any back and forth and only reply if you were directly involved in the situation. 

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Feel free to drop this report.

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Greetings,

We're glad that this was resolved between the pair of you. As the staff team, we encourage talking to the party first before putting up a report. 

With that said:

/closed

Closed by @Mademoiselle and @Xehara

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