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S1: KOS in Stary

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Server and location: 

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2019-05-24, 01:04

Your in game name: Phoenyxx Caine

Names of allies involved: Lukas Sitska, Chance Lee, Charlie Callahan, Emma Petrov, Henry Hanharr

Name of suspect/s: @Sylvester Todd

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

The following is right from my stream - it will show the events leading up to the KOS.

From the stream time 05:21:40 to 05:35:25 is the event. I can load just that clip later but thought it'd be easier to show right from the VOD to show that nothing was editted. 

I've clipped this as a highlight so its saved and easier for staff. (first video, second will be the full vod)

 

 

Detailed description of the events: 

After ladies night, Phoenyxx had made her way to Stary to drop off some things at Chips shop. She regularly does this, plus she needed some more ammo after having given some away. Upon arriving, in the middle of the road (you will see in the video) Men in orange armbands (The House) were surrounding two individuals, one in a red sweater ( @Sylvester Todd ) and then Lukas Sistka ( @Hunter ). Phoenyxx watches from a distance and can hear The House instigating Red Sweater to rob Lukas of his mask. She stands and watches the arguement as the Red Sweater seems to hesitate or just keep refusing but multiple people keep shouting at him to do it. Phoenyxx, being a close friend to Lukas, had moved up closer as the tensions rised. She wears the same mask as him so in order to attempt to defuse the situation, but not willing to speak in fear it'd get her involved, she drops the mask at the Red Sweater guys feet and points at it. A house member picked it up and the whole situation continued there. Phoenyxx backed off and eventually Red Sweater initated on Lukas and a gunfight broke out. Red Sweater ended up killing Lukas. Phoenyxx walked away, obviously angered by this and the encounters with the house she has previously had. Because the house was instigating Red Sweater, when asked what was wrong by her friends she was about to speak badly of the house however she cut herself short because she knew ears and eyes were on her (this was intended to create roleplay, between herself and the house). A member heard ( @JimRP ) and eventually as she walked up the road being asked to finish her sentence, more house members joined as well as the guy in the red sweater and followed her and her friends out of stary. She continued to simply explain that she said "the house" and not "the house is a" in hopes that they would just leave her alone (it was going to build onto her eventually saying what she really thought but never got that far). Someone in an orange armband said "red sweater killed him" and Phoenyxx said "yes i know" but she knew they had also been involved as they instigated him into essentially robbing lukas for a mask. Another person said "i want to see red sweater do this" and then "give him a gun". Phoenyxx continued to walk and eventually heard something "peaches" and then she was shot.

4.1 All initiations and hostile actions as well as their demands and conditions must be made clear and unambiguous to all involved players. Hostile actions or initiations must be done personally and on specific targets who must be aware who the attacker is, for example they cannot be done remotely through radio or PA system. (Which clearly were not)

 @Sylvester Todd was in clear violation of this rule, as I had not even spoken to him. He has reached out to me in private to apologize, which I do sincerely appreciate but I have choosen to report because of the clear rule break and as he even admitted in Private that he was given the orders to shoot me. (Which i can provide if necessary but only if requested).

I do request that the GM's only allow those to post that are directly involved and CALLED UPON. I have been receiving MULTIPLE messages in private in forums and in discord in regards to this situation and how I should do this and don't do this. It is quite irriating as a streamer to be essentially be harassed to answer people because of this situation and basically be told what to do. I do also request that there by no back and forth from BOTH parties (Allies and Suspects), please guys just post your pov's there was enough back and forth between the other thread and my stream chat.

Edited by Phoenyxx
Added an easier access to event in stream instead of whole vod link.

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I mean its pretty clear cut. I had misheard an order, and thought it was a kill order on their signal. Before that though, I had been told to initiate on a random guy for a test I suppose, so I followed through and initiated after much futzing around and trying to not get lost between the sea of voices, he shot in response and killed the man behind me and I shot him dead in response. Later on they had asked me to perform another little test, I had misheard them and thought it was a kill order, I thought I had kill rights figuring they wouldn't have asked me if we didn't have them, so on their signal I shot.  No real reason for a long POV. It was nothing more than a miscommunication (figure my mind is a little fogged since I've been gone so long), no reason to bring in any other POVs. And no I don't have footage as I didn't have shadowplay running.

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LUKAS STIKA POV: After hanging around in Stary for quite some time as its become a sort of hot spot with Chip's shop being setup, waiting for Phoenyxx and friends to show up, a man in red approaches me demanding for my mask. We stand in a sort of standoff for a while going back and forth, the house coercing the man to continue on with the situation (as I am assuming this is an initiation for him of some sort), when another man (not with the house I am assuming) also decides to get involved. Eventually, the man decides to point a weapon, and I spray at him, unfortunately am hit with ghost bullets for the 12 shots that should have killed the man in the red, before the man in the black that got involved decided to raise his weapon. At that point, I deemed him a threat in the situation, assuming the server was just lagging originally and the man in red would drop soon, I gas the man in black and see him drop. Realizing the man in red didn't drop, and out of ammo, I unfortunately can't finish the job before I go unconscious and am eventually finished off.

Below, I have linked a highlight from the VoD from when the first interaction occurs, up to my death. The full VoD can be viewed if necessary from the link in the highlight to view the full video:  

I then later found out later in my stream from chat that Sylvester also shot Phoenyxx for no reason. As you can see from my PoV, she didn't get involved in the gunfight, therefore he had no valid reason or rights to try and kill her.

 

Should add, I tried to keep my shots focused solely on the two hostiles in front of me, apologies if anybody was hit in the crossfire from the house or any other randoms in the area.

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4 minutes ago, Hunter said:

LUKAS STIKA POV: After hanging around in Stary for quite some time as its become a sort of hot spot with Chip's shop being setup, waiting for Phoenyxx and friends to show up, a man in red approaches me demanding for my mask. We stand in a sort of standoff for a while going back and forth, the house coercing the man to continue on with the situation (as I am assuming this is an initiation for him of some sort), when another man (not with the house I am assuming) also decides to get involved. Eventually, the man decides to point a weapon, and I spray at him, unfortunately am hit with ghost bullets for the 12 shots that should have killed the man in the red, before the man in the black that got involved decided to raise his weapon. At that point, I deemed him a threat in the situation, assuming the server was just lagging originally and the man in red would drop soon, I gas the man in black and see him drop. Realizing the man in red didn't drop, and out of ammo, I unfortunately can't finish the job before I go unconscious and am eventually finished off.

Below, I have linked a highlight from the VoD from when the first interaction occurs, up to my death. The full VoD can be viewed if necessary from the link in the highlight to view the full video:  

I then later found out later in my stream from chat that Sylvester also shot Phoenyxx for no reason. As you can see from my PoV, she didn't get involved in the gunfight, therefore he had no valid reason or rights to try and kill her.

This is irrelevant to the report at hand isn't it? I Initiated and you shot first, then you died? Phoenyxx is really the only one affected by an actual rulebreak

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@Sylvester Todd I was mentioned in the report to give my PoV, and did such. I find the situation to be relevant considering everything that happened was because of the situation between you and myself. I am not hitting you with a rule break or anything, just posting my PoV and the events that lead up to the situation that occurred. What happened between us was valid. My PoV is just up to make things easier on staff to piece together what exactly happened. On a side note though, you should be dead you lucky bastard! 😉 I got DayZ'd! That should be all I need to say in this report. Unless staff or somebody directly asks me to elaborate more on things, then that should be all from me to keep the report from becoming cluttered.

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3 minutes ago, Sylvester Todd said:

This is irrelevant to the report at hand isn't it? I Initiated and you shot first, then you died? Phoenyxx is really the only one affected by an actual rulebreak

His POV is to show that there was no initation on me and that I was not involved, it wasn't against you. Its to just give his POV to confirm that there would have been no kill rights against me as I had not been involved. And like i asked, dont do this back and forth stuff. POV's only please. I dont want this thread to become a shit show. Admins will take care of it.

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Please refrain from back and forth. Only give POV's if involved and any evidence that adds to the topic.
This is your only warning.
Thank you.

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Hit Logs:

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01:28:59 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Todd Layne" with FN SCAR-L from 4.01036 meters 
01:28:59 | Player "Todd Layne" hit by Player "Lukas Stika" with M4-A1 from 4.01036 meters 
01:28:59 | Player "Todd Layne" hit by Player "Lukas Stika" with M4-A1 from 4.01036 meters 
01:28:59 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Todd Layne" with FN SCAR-L from 4.07897 meters 
01:28:59 | Player "Todd Layne" hit by Player "Lukas Stika" with M4-A1 from 4.14793 meters 
01:29:00 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with FN SCAR-L from 3.12244 meters 
01:29:00 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with FN SCAR-L from 3.12244 meters 
01:29:00 | Player "Todd Layne" hit by Player "Lukas Stika" with M4-A1 from 4.95885 meters 
01:29:00 | Player "Todd Layne" hit by Player "Lukas Stika" with M4-A1 from 4.95885 meters 
01:29:00 | Player "Todd Layne" hit by Player "Lukas Stika" with M4-A1 from 4.95885 meters 
01:29:00 | Player "Todd Layne" hit by Player "Lukas Stika" with M4-A1 from 4.97204 meters 
01:29:00 | Player "Todd Layne" hit by Player "Lukas Stika" with M4-A1 from 4.97204 meters 
01:29:03 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by is unconscious
01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04889 meters 
01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04376 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04375 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04375 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04375 meters 
01:29:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04375 meters 

01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.6322 meters 
01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.5821 meters 
01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.4959 meters 
01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.5152 meters 
01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.4595 meters 
01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.4595 meters 
01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.177 meters 
01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.0364 meters 
01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.0364 meters 
01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.0364 meters 
01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.1867 meters 
01:35:24 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.5312 meters 
01:35:24 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.5508 meters 
01:35:24 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.3395 meters 
01:35:24 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" hit by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.3448 meters

01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.85144 meters 
01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.72274 meters 
01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.5854 meters 
01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.5854 meters 
01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.46354 meters 
01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.46354 meters 
01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.39213 meters 
01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.39213 meters 
01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.36435 meters 
01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.36435 meters 
01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.36435 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.39767 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.39767 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.39767 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.44009 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.44009 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.44009 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.43496 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.43496 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.43496 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.48148 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.53155 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.5696 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.5696 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.5696 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.51974 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.51974 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.51974 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 4.21991 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 4.21991 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 4.0097 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 3.79955 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 3.58994 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 3.38051 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 3.38051 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 3.38051 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 3.03087 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 2.96084 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 2.96084 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 2.96084 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" hit by Player "Zac Biggem" with M4-A1 from 2.75129 meters 

01:35:34 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 4.00366 meters  
01:35:34 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 4.36902 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 4.42566 meters 
01:35:34 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 4.42566 meters 

01:35:34 | Player "Richter Cain" hit by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 4.63556 meters

01:35:35 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Richter Cain" with M1A SOCOM from 3.33009 meters 
01:35:35 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Bolat Aslakhanov" with KA-M from 3.72163 meters 
01:35:35 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Richter Cain" with M1A SOCOM from 2.4386 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Bolat Aslakhanov" with KA-M from 3.29537 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Bolat Aslakhanov" with KA-M from 3.29537 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Richter Cain" with M1A SOCOM from 2.09067 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Richter Cain" with M1A SOCOM from 2.09067 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Richter Cain" with M1A SOCOM from 2.09067 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Bolat Aslakhanov" with KA-M from 2.84225 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Bolat Aslakhanov" with KA-M from 2.84225 meters 
01:35:36 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" with LAR from 0.993354 meters 
01:36:54 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" with LAR from 1.12955 meters 
01:36:54 | Player "Henry HanHarr" hit by Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" with LAR from 1.12955 meters 

Kill Logs:

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01:28:59 | Player "Todd Layne" (DEAD) killed by Player "Lukas Stika" with M4-A1 from 4.14793 meters 

01:29:17 | Player "Lukas Stika" (DEAD) killed by Player "Sylvester Todd" with IJ-70 from 1.04889 meters 

01:35:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" (DEAD) killed by Player "Sylvester Todd" with M16A4 from 12.5821 meters 
01:36:51 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" (DEAD) died.

01:35:33 | Player "Sylvester Todd" (DEAD) killed by Player "Henry HanHarr" with MP7 from 2.46354 meters 

01:35:35 | Player "Henry HanHarr" (DEAD) killed by Player "Richter Cain" with M1A SOCOM from 2.4386 meters 
01:36:51 | Player "Henry HanHarr" (DEAD) died.

Connection Logs:

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00:17:06 | Player "Lukas Stika" is connected
01:30:18 | Player "Lukas Stika" has been disconnected
01:31:29 | Player "Lukas Stika" is connected
01:48:20 | Player "Lukas Stika" is connected
02:13:43 | Player "Lukas Stika" has been disconnected

00:23:39 | Player "Todd Layne" is connected
01:31:04 | Player "Todd Layne" has been disconnected
19:58:40 | Player "Todd Layne" is connected
20:00:04 | Player "Todd Layne" has been disconnected

00:21:02 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" is connected
01:38:32 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" has been disconnected
01:39:13 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" is connected
01:52:23 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" is connected
04:35:16 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" is connected
05:21:29 | Player "Phoenyxx Caine" has been disconnected

01:00:19 | Player "Sylvester Todd" is connected
01:36:15 | Player "Sylvester Todd" has been disconnected
01:36:36 | Player "Sylvester Todd" is connected
01:51:51 | Player "Sylvester Todd" is connected
01:52:21 | Player "Sylvester Todd" has been disconnected
01:58:37 | Player "Sylvester Todd" is connected
01:59:06 | Player "Sylvester Todd" has been disconnected
02:00:50 | Player "Sylvester Todd" is connected
02:01:59 | Player "Sylvester Todd" has been disconnected
02:03:46 | Player "Sylvester Todd" is connected
04:31:05 | Player "Sylvester Todd" has been disconnected

00:16:33 | Player "Zac Biggem" is connected
01:53:07 | Player "Zac Biggem" is connected
01:53:44 | Player "Zac Biggem" has been disconnected
01:58:27 | Player "Zac Biggem" is connected
03:28:36 | Player "Zac Biggem" has been disconnected

00:44:11 | Player "Henry HanHarr" is connected
01:37:24 | Player "Henry HanHarr" has been disconnected
01:41:28 | Player "Henry HanHarr" is connected
01:53:22 | Player "Henry HanHarr" is connected
01:53:52 | Player "Henry HanHarr" has been disconnected
01:58:41 | Player "Henry HanHarr" is connected
02:01:11 | Player "Henry HanHarr" has been disconnected
02:27:54 | Player "Henry HanHarr" is connected
04:33:44 | Player "Henry HanHarr" is connected
05:16:05 | Player "Henry HanHarr" has been disconnected

00:27:39 | Player "Richter Cain" is connected
01:49:44 | Player "Richter Cain" is connected
01:59:57 | Player "Richter Cain" has been disconnected
02:00:43 | Player "Richter Cain" is connected
02:18:24 | Player "Richter Cain" has been disconnected

00:27:02 | Player "Bolat Aslakhanov" is connected
02:17:49 | Player "Bolat Aslakhanov" is connected
02:47:35 | Player "Bolat Aslakhanov" has been disconnected

00:28:36 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" is connected
01:55:59 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" is connected
03:20:15 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" has been disconnected

Calling those in to post POVs of the situation involved:

@Phoenyxx | Phoenyxx Caine | POSTED

@Hunter | Lukas Stika | POSTED

@Sylvester Todd | Sylvester Todd | POSTED

@JimRP | Bolat Aslakhanov |  POSTED

@MrMothmanz | Henry HanHarr |  POSTED

@Ravenous | Zac Biggem |  POSTED

@Zero | Richter Cain |  POSTED

@Eagle | Stefan Reynir Jonson |  POSTED

@Grimby1734 | Todd Layne | 

 

Reminder, please post any VIDEO EVIDENCE that is involving the situation.
Thank you.

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I was there, I'm the one who heard @Phoenyxx when she was about to badmouth the house. I followed you and so did the rest, the man in the sweater was not affiliated with us, I was not the one to give him a gun either. Someone did and told him when we say peaches -- for him to tell you to put your hands up, not kill you. I followed you guys until @Sylvester Todd shot you down and then when your friend decided to try and kill @Eagle with no rights I shot him down. 

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 I was walking along with Phoneyxx out of stary once she saw her friend get shot. She spoke saying "The house is" or something like that and then as we made our way down the road The house was harassing her at this point and trying to get a reaction out of her of which they didn't get one. So as we made our way a bit further down the road i hear a member of the house yell "I want to see the red sweater do it!" I turn around see him being handed a AR-15 style rifle I turn around again to keep walking then hear "I could really go for some peaches!" As i hear gunshots I turn around and see phoneyxx falling to the ground  with blood spewing from her back and smoke poring from the barrel of the man in the red sweater. I instinctively run into the frey thinking i had my friends had my back in the situation. I blast the killer with my MP7 and then turn on The House because it seems that the man in the red sweater was associated with them. I then start shooting the house member before being killed by other members. 

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I get told over the radio that this lady was talking smack, I walk over to ask her what she said but as I realized she hadn't actually said anything I drop the whole act.
Few minutes go by and Todd joins us, he gets told he is supposed to be the one doing it some miss communication comes between them two as he thought he made it clear to just initiated but it leads to him spraying her down as seen in the video, then some rando pops out of the corner and starts shooting him I back off as I wasn't going to gass someone for Todd's mistake and get blasted almost myself so I return fire on the guy about 4-6 of us where there and the guy pretty much Yolos it into the crowd with 0 rights.

 

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21 minutes ago, MrMothmanz said:

 I was walking along with Phoneyxx out of stary once she saw her friend get shot. She spoke saying "The house is" or something like that and then as we made our way down the road The house was harassing her at this point and trying to get a reaction out of her of which they didn't get one. So as we made our way a bit further down the road i hear a member of the house yell "I want to see the red sweater do it!" I turn around see him being handed a AR-15 style rifle I turn around again to keep walking then hear "I could really go for some peaches!" As i hear gunshots I turn around and see phoneyxx falling to the ground  with blood spewing from her back and smoke poring from the barrel of the man in the red sweater. I instinctively run into the frey thinking i had my friends had my back in the situation. I blast the killer with my MP7 and then turn on The House because it seems that the man in the red sweater was associated with them. I then start shooting the house member before being killed by other members. 

You still mis-ID'd the people from the house since we were not involved in the situation, regardless of that we're also not an official group at the moment so you'd need to re-initiate on all of us.

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My POV: We were in the town and some guy in a red sweater was trash talking another guy for his mask so I stood and watched it go down, Another man approaches and offers to help the man in the red sweater. They then take the guy down in a 2v1 resulting in a trade of 2 of the people. Someone then said something bad about the house as they walked away. I proceed to follow her to question what she said and why as we were not involved the red sweater guy assumes he has kill rights *From what I can see in the video" and guns her down. Just because someone gives someone a gun does not mean they wanted nor told anyone to shoot anyone. All that was said was to hold her up as she spoke shit about the house and supplied him the gun to hold her up for us. I did not in any way think he would then proceed to shoot her nor did anyone else.

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My POV: We were in town when Todd was causing commotion with some gentleman about his mask. Our group gathered around Todd and told him to be a man, basically encouraging him to take what he wants because we believe it's a dog eat dog world now and the strong take what they want to thrive and survive. We keep encouraging him to the point another guy (not affiliated with us) jumps in and says he will help Todd jump the man for his mask. We hand Todd an automatic weapon and Todd drops the initiation. Todd kills the man but his partner dies in the process. After Todd had killed the man the woman in question, who I assume is the OP is visibly upset. Jim hears her insult our group for being animals or something another so we decide to follow her out of town.

We tell Todd that he should initiate on the woman. Somewhere along the line Todd misunderstood us and thought he was now in our dynamic and we had KOS rights on the woman. It's been almost TWO years since he last played so I think he may have been going off the old kill rights. He ends up gunning her down. After he killed her we were shouting "NO, NO! YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSE TO KILL HER YOU WERE SUPPOSE TO HOLD HER UP!" which you can hear in the video. Someone in the OP's dynamic then runs up and begins spraying into the crowd, which is attempted RDM I believe. He sprayed into me and my follow group members so I shot him several times with my M14. Afterwards we all make our way to town and I wait my 30 minutes to log.

Frankly I understand completely why you are upset and would want to report. Why you followed through with the report though after speaking with Todd is beyond me. It was a misunderstanding on his part and the guy has been absent for a VERY LONG TIME. He's a great RPer and I hope you are willing to talk this out with both the House as well as Todd. I would hate to see anyone banned and receive points for a mere misunderstanding..

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@Grimby1734 will be temp banned until he posts his POV.

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@MademoiselleI was in stary trading with chip, when I walked out to see some commotion with the house and two guys that looked unaffiliated, one of them, @Sylvester Toddwas heavily out gunned as he had a UMP compared to the other guys SCAR L, I felt bad so I stepped in. Soon after I stepped in the guy with the UMP was given a SCAR L and I was still standing there beside Sylvester, really as soon as he got the scar L maybe a minute later he pulled up his gun at the guy he was robbing (The one  with the mask) and before I had time to pull my gun up bullets were flying and my game froze, I dont think I even got a single shot in before I died and my game unfroze. After that I have no idea what happened.

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@Grimby1734 your temp ban has been removed. 
 

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Outcome

@Sylvester Todd - Invalid Kill (on sight)- GUILTY

@MrMothmanz - Invalid Kill (Roleplayed) - NOT GUILTY

Explanation

Long story short, @Sylvester Todd is told to kill @Phoenyxx without any initiation done whatsoever (which you can see around about 5:30:00 of the stream clip). There is no demand or hostility but straight KOS. There is also no demand or hosility shown by @Phoenyxx to make this kill valid either.

Since you admitted your mistake, the staff team have reached a decision to lessen your punishment. However, we strongly suggest that your refer back to the rules before making any drastic moves.

In future, make sure you initiate with a consequence to an action. Therefore it gives the victim a chance to either comply or to attack. This makes the situation fair for both sides. Our rules state the following:

4.1 All initiations and hostile actions as well as their demands and conditions must be made clear and unambiguous to all involved players. Hostile actions or initiations must be done personally and on specific targets who must be aware who the attacker is, for example they cannot be done remotely through radio or PA system.

4.2 When your life is at risk or you are subjected to a hostile action by other players you are allowed to defend yourself. This is granted by two different "kill rights" that you can gain based on circumstances of the situation like which side caused the hostile situation and which side you are on.

If you are a defender - the one being initiated on or subjected to other hostile actions that threaten your life which you did not start or provoke - you are allowed to defend yourself by gaining  DEFENDER RIGHTS on the attackers. Defender rights allow you to kill attackers for 2 hours or until your character dies. Defender rights can be shared with anyone who you recently role played with as well as all your group members, if you are a part of an approved group.

If you are an attacker - the one who first did the initiation or started, caused or provoked the hostile situation - you are allowed to defend yourself by gaining  ATTACKER RIGHTS on the defenders. Attacker rights allow you to kill defenders for 1 hour or until your character dies. Attacker rights can be only be shared with your approved group members. If you are not a part of an approved group, attacker rights can not be shared and apply only for your character.

Now onto @MrMothmanz, since you were role-playing with @Phoenyxx and stated she was having a bad day shows that you were in a dynamic group. When she was killed you used your defence rights against her however caught people up in a cross fire. We, as the staff team, would like to remind you to be careful where you are shooting next time as innocent bystanders in the situation was dragged into this also.

Verdict

@Sylvester Todd - invalid Kill (on sight) - GUILTY  - 5 day ban, 10 warning points

@MrMothmanz - Invalid Kill (roleplayed) - NOT GUILTY

Signed by @Mademoiselle,  @Xehara and @Samti

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