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S1 KOS AOGM baiting 2019-04-10, 20:16

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Server and location: S1 Prison island

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2019-04-10, 20:16

Your in game name: Stefan Reynir Jonson

Names of allies involved: BrianM Dk_Major ItzTyler Cookie Aiko

Name of suspect/s: No clue

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): n/a

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 


Detailed description of the events: After dealing with a guy that baited us to initiate I walk through the courtyard and get gassed by some guy that had never been there, if he logged in he did that to kill me as he could have been friends with them but since they are not approved he would have no rights along with using rights gained from a baiting situation.
Reason I put in ghosting is due to the fact that he uses the fact he logged in there and then comes back during the situation not sure if you wanna call that fair play or he was fully within his rights but he had not been there the whole day or the day before so he abused the fact he logged there to use rights he never had.

Clips are split cuz I hit record and save a couple of times during the situation max is 10mins for me.

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Server and location: S1 Prison Island  

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): Logs will show

Your in game name: Vasily Volkov

Names of allies involved: @Eagle @ItzTyler 

Name of suspect/s: Logs will show

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): I have a video i shall be uploading 

Detailed description of the events: A young man came up to our gates and kept telling us to fuck off and give us their island back and continuously went back and forth sticking the up the middle finger up at us to bait an initiation, once Dylan, Tyler, and Eagle  tell this kid to leave the island in the next 30 seconds or he will be shot i was immediately hit with a shot from an unknown target after not being apart of the situation as i had not said anything to the person and spent most of my time up in the tower looking around. 

Roughly 20-30mins after: @Eagle gets kosed by someone that logged in our compound and i go around the outside to go in a guard tower to get eyes on the guy shooting and i begin climbing when someone is sitting in there and i start to climb down after being told not to come up i get instantly shot and killed  

 

 

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Hit Logs

19:54:10 | Player "Vasily Volkov" hit by Player "charlie bennit" with Mosin 91/30 from 104.654 meters

19:54:21 | Player "charlie bennit" hit by Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" with M4-A1 from 92.368 meters 

19:55:28 | Player "Mark Stockton" hit by Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" with M4-A1 from 104.155 meters 
19:55:29 | Player "Mark Stockton" hit by Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" with M4-A1 from 104.314 meters

20:16:02 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" hit by Player "Kevin Lu" with SK 59/66 from 29.5908 meters 
20:16:02 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" hit by Player "Kevin Lu" with SK 59/66 from 29.5195 meters 

20:34:51 | Player "Vasily Volkov" hit by Player "Connor White" with SK 59/66 from 4.25337 meters 
20:34:58 | Player "Vasily Volkov" hit by Player "Connor White" with SK 59/66 from 0.993755 meters 
20:34:58 | Player "Vasily Volkov" hit by Player "Connor White" with SK 59/66 from 0.950936 meters 

20:26:21 | Player "Dylan MacLeod" hit by Player "Kevin Lu" with SK 59/66 from 30.4683 meters 
20:47:36 | Player "Dylan MacLeod" hit by Player "Connor White" with M4-A1 from 18.4726 meters 
20:47:37 | Player "Dylan MacLeod" hit by Player "Connor White" with M4-A1 from 18.5985 meters 
20:48:13 | Player "Dylan MacLeod" hit by Player "Connor White" with M4-A1 from 9.88794 meters 
20:48:19 | Player "Dylan MacLeod" hit by Player "Xavier Lee" with BK-133 from 11.2508 meters 
20:48:24 | Player "Dylan MacLeod" hit by Player "Xavier Lee" with BK-133 from 1.46447 meters 
	
20:48:13 | Player "Connor White"  hit by Player "Dylan MacLeod" with M4-A1 from 9.88638 meters 
20:41:42 | Player "Connor White"  hit by Player "Hacob Pakradouni" with M4-A1 from 104.977 meters 
20:44:17 | Player "Connor White"  hit by Player "Hacob Pakradouni" with M4-A1 from 12.1664 meters 
20:44:17 | Player "Connor White"  hit by Player "Hacob Pakradouni" with M4-A1 from 14.7221 meters 

20:44:24 | Player "Hacob Pakradouni" hit by Player "Connor White" with SK 59/66 from 4.30043 meters 
20:44:25 | Player "Hacob Pakradouni" hit by Player "Connor White" with SK 59/66 from 4.47756 meters 

Kill Logs

19:54:21 | Player "charlie bennit" killed by Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" with M4-A1 from 92.368 meters 

19:55:28 | Player "Mark Stockton" killed by Player "Ryan Bonfield" with SK 59/66 from 114.163 meters 

20:16:02 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" killed by Player "Kevin Lu" with SK 59/66 from 29.5195 meters 

20:34:51 | Player "Vasily Volkov" killed by Player "Connor White" with SK 59/66 from 4.25337 meters 

20:44:24 | Player "Hacob Pakradouni" killed by Player "Connor White" with SK 59/66 from 4.30043 meters 

20:48:19 | Player "Dylan MacLeod" killed by Player "Xavier Lee" with BK-133 from 11.2508 meters 

Connection Logs

18:33:06 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" is connected
-KILLED-
20:20:04 | Player "Stefan Reynir Jonson" has been disconnected

19:22:20 | Player "Vasily Volkov" is connected
-KILLED-
20:41:14 | Player "Vasily Volkov" has been disconnected

19:02:44 | Player "Hacob Pakradouni" is connected
20:11:14 | Player "Hacob Pakradouni" has been disconnected
20:22:21 | Player "Hacob Pakradouni" is connected
-KILLED-
20:44:36 | Player "Hacob Pakradouni" has been disconnected

20:10:42 | Player "Kevin Lu" is connected
-STILL IN GAME-

19:30:59 | Player "Connor White" is connected
-STILL IN GAME-

18:53:43 | Player "Ryan Bonfield" is connected 
20:25:00 | Player "Ryan Bonfield" has been disconnected
20:25:08 | Player "Ryan Bonfield" is connected
20:29:30 | Player "Ryan Bonfield" has been disconnected

17:34:56 | Player "Dylan MacLeod" is connected
-KILLED-
20:48:36 | Player "Dylan MacLeod" has been disconnected

18:51:53 | Player "Xavier Lee" is connected
-STILL IN GAME-

18:34:54 | Player "Andela Jelinek" is connected
-STILL IN GAME-

18:32:06 | Player "Emma Isaksen" is connected
-STILL IN GAME-

19:35:42 | Player "Mark Stockton" is connected
-KILLED-
20:10:41 | Player "Mark Stockton" has been disconnected

19:36:51 | Player "charlie bennit" is connected
-KILLED-
20:23:54 | Player "charlie bennit" has been disconnected

Chat Logs

19:54:36 | Chat("Vasily Volkov"): //clipped
19:54:40 | Chat("Vasily Volkov"): //stamp
20:28:12 | Chat("Vasily Volkov"): //nice rdm and ghosting

20:43:40 | Chat("Dylan MacLeod"): //timestamp

Calling in:

@Okhchen Satori, @ItzTyler, @BrianM, @Aiko, @Cookie, @Mak, @CharlieD, @Matt Chillas and @Pooks098 for their full and detailed PoV, please provide any unedited evidence you might have as well as a list of any of your allies involved in the situation.

@Okhchen Satori | POSTED

@ItzTyler | POSTED

@BrianM | POSTED

@Aiko | POSTED

@Cookie | POSTED

@Mak | POSTED

@CharlieD | POSTED

@Matt Chillas | POSTED

@Pooks098 | POSTED

@ZanderGris0207 |

Since a lot of people are involved, please stick to only posting your PoVs and replying to staff questions. Non-compliance will result in points.

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To start the prior day I combo locked the front gate. I invited Kyle Davis who visited me to trade. with him,  I  was in the back as he was killed when he escorted another guy I do not know his name as he was trying to get inside he was threatened and shot at so the fellow trader who I befriended Kyle was killed along with his friend and saying the people who shot him it is there. As he told me that I was already in the budling in the interior of the prison and I had eyes on 2 females and armed men. Soon engaged them after they killed my fellow trader and his company. I have spotted them in the inner yard and I waited for them at the gated area for them to come back I  contacted Xavier Lee as back up to tell him prison is being attacked as he arrived aided to take out the raming hostile and also witness 2 female players being escorted off the island by one of Xavier friend 

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Reports have been merged, logs have been updated.

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Emma Isaksen's POV:

Me and @Aiko were sitting and talking in one of the cells as one of our guys said that there was somebody outside and we needed to stay inside the cell while they deal with it. A lot of shots happened after they tried to talk with the guy outside. Me and Aiko kept on staying inside the cell till everything was quieter and we went outside to see what was going on and I see @BrianM still being in a fight with one of their guys so we quickly decided to go back into the cell and stayed there till one guy comes and tells us to put our hands up and then proceeded to export us off the island. 

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Andela Jelinek POV:

My time on the Island started when I gave Stefan(Eagle) a ride in my car so he could back to his home, the island. We chatted a bit on the way, and he offered to let me come over and see it. As my character was a bit curious about the people who lived over there. So I and he swam across and I spent a good while over there talking and rping with the inhabitants of the prison.

I was asked to watch over Emma, as she was a girl who got out of control from time to time. So I said sure and sat in her cell with her to keep her company.

It was around this time, that I began to hear shouting outside at the bridge and saw a man. As seen in the video, he called them thieves and other things.

This back and forth lasted MUCH longer than the video shows. I was in the cell a few minutes prior to the video starting recording. So I will tack on about five more minutes, before the start of the video that this man stood outside the prison. Taunting and doing his thing. So that was about ten whole minutes of this man simply wanting to start something. When honestly the people inside weren't wanting to do anything.

It was after this as you can see, that they began to shoot at the people inside of the prison. This lasted a LONG time, and I attempted to keep Emma and myself entertained as my character isn't one to shoot. While Emma character didn't have a weapon.

It took some time, but the people in the prison came out successful and came back to rp with me and Emma. All seemed ok for a while as I stayed with Emma and we chatted still.

It was a good long while before we heard more gunfire and scrambling started happening. What was odd about this, is that the gunfire that was happening was INSIDE of the prison. Which would have been impossible to get into. That is unless someone logged into the prison after having logged out prior, and from where I was I didn't hear any initiation of any type from inside. Just a bunch of gunfire, and soon after I and Emma were approached by a man that I hadn't seen before. And we were escorted off the island.

While on the way out we asked him a few questions, which include if they killed the men on the bridge. As we saw some dead bodies, he said no. Those were his friends, and then we were made to swim back onto the mainland.

In my opinion, it was very baity and according to logs. Shows that at least two people logged in after the initiation was dropped, which is said in the video before the time stamp and before the first hit. As almost ten minutes of them taunting was rather unneeded.

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So, we were all having fun with our internal RP then this kid comes up and starts throwing insults at us saying that we stole their home (which we did 2 days ago). He is baiting all of us trying to get a reaction, so we give him what he wants seen as we are in a well fortified location, so some of us initiate. 

One person which I believe is @DK_Major did not initiate and was standing on top of the tower watching what was going on. Then all of a sudden Major gets shot by a man (who is already involved in a BadRP report that we made). So they then get killed as we then got granted rights as they fired at us.

Everything then seemed fine and dandy and we got back to our internal RP and then out of nowhere I hear shots coming from inside the compound. At this point we are confused as there could only be one way into the compound and we were already there. Turns out @Eagle was killed by this man, who by the looks of it logged in and obviously thought he had DEFENDER RIGHTS from the previous situation, which he did not as he was not even in the server at the time, hence us reporting for KOS. Anyway, one of our guys die from falling and the other was straight up killed by another one of them outside of the compound, but by what the logs show, it does not appear that he logged in after the first situation. But before that I asked the man I was having a shoot out with, "How did you get in here?", he replied "I woke up in here.", how would he know that his friends had been killed if he wasn't in game? (I asked him that just before I timestamped). 

More guys eventually came running in and I got killed.

I would also like to point out that there was a report similar to this case when someone logged in and never had rights to kill anyone. Just pointing this out so some of the staff handling this can see the similarities from this encounter. 

Again, this in my opinion, is basically what happened in the report above.

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"POV:" The KOS video on @Eagle was me and him were walking back into the courtyard area of the prison when we took fire resulting in @Eagle to die we were not initiated on by this person the other video by @DK_Major was as seen in the video the kid on the bridge was trying to bait us out or to initiate so his friends could shoot us we asked him to leave peacefully then gave him the final option to leave or he would be fired at. he started walking away and thats when @DK_Major got shot by his friend on the other side of the bridge. I believe both of these were tied together as the person who KOSed @Eagle just shot us after logging into the compound and not initiating on us at all.

"END OF REPORT"

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sorry if I caused any bother im new and was told to shoot so I did I was told I was in full clear to engage in pvp and I believed it as im new I guess sry guys no hard feelings. I didn't kos I just shot him in the stomach sry guys 

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So after CharlieD sending me a PM apologising, I started to dig into the situation a little. Here is what I found;

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Since receiving these PM's I wanted to find out if the guys who killed us actually had DEFENCE RIGHTS. So I asked him if he did RP with anyone other than Mark Stockton and he replied with that he only spoke to them in Discord. If I am correct, this does not count as RP'ing with someone to get the DEFENCE RIGHTS. Have a look at rule 4.2; 

  • 4.2 When your life is at risk or you are subjected to a hostile action by other players you are allowed to defend yourself. This is granted by two different "kill rights" that you can gain based on circumstances of the situation like which side caused the hostile situation and which side you are on.
    If you are a defender - the one being initiated on or subjected to other hostile actions that threaten your life which you did not start or provoke - you are allowed to defend yourself by gaining  DEFENDER RIGHTS on the attackers. Defender rights allow you to kill attackers for 2 hours or until your character dies. Defender rights can be shared with anyone who you recently role played with as well as all your group members, if you are a part of an approved group.

With that being said, I do not believe that the people attacking us had Defence Rights as they did not RP with Charlie Bennit or Mark Stockton prior to the situation

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Mark's POV

After the events of our warden getting shot my character went into hiding. He remained on the island and slept for a couple of days. He had a bottle of liquor on him and decided to drink some to ease off the situation that happened earlier. In all he gets drunk and stumbles over the bridge and hears people talking so he swears and yells at them to give the island back. They argue back on fourth and my character goes up to their gate and yells a bit more. At that point he gets told to leave or he will be shot. He ends up complying and walking away. As he's passing the bridge he hears a shot go off so he runs to cover to hide. After he sees someone get shot he puts his hands up and comes out with them up. He walks in their vision and ends up getting shot. He doesn't fall to the ground and takes multiple shots still with his hands up and begging for his life. After a couple seconds he tries to move with his hands up and gets shot yet again and dies.

 

 

 

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Conner White POV:

I was near Chernogorsk when I heard gunshots coming from the island and heard over intercoms my group was in a fight within the inhabitants there at the time. Gearing up with what I could I journeyed over to the island and began my counter assault to save an ally that was trapped inside. Running over and grabbing a Mosin I got onto a tower when I saw an assailant walking up. Shots fired in my direction, I assumed hostilities were on as he began to climb the ladder. I told him to get off my ladder and fired a warning shot. Aimed at his head as he began to talk and felt in danger at this point as I knew he already shot before. Shooting him down the ladder after a couple of moments of my command. I jumped down and finished him off and grabbed his SKS and ammunition. Breaching my way to the front until I was fired upon from the jail building. Taking a hit and sprinting to cover as I awaited any hope of relief and returned fire. Once the dust settled I sprinted across the bridge. The firefight broke out for a second time getting hit twice as I took cover behind a gate and waited for him to push. Shooting him down as he either miscalculated recoil or his weapon jammed. My life saved by luck as I grabbed his m4, damaged but working as I took what gear he had and sprinted in. Reinforcements now arriving as I took a breath of relief. Sprinting into the fray with him as we breached the prison and attacked the last man. Killing him from a flank as we all came together and found the women in the prison. Not shooting as they posed no threat and complied. Walking off the island, I took the victory and simply got the island. Though an hour later, a group came back saying they were from the same group was now at the gate breaking it down. This then caused the next fight to occur where I was promptly killed on the roof after refusing their new hostile intentions to put our hands up or die.

Edited by Pooks098

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PoV: So I'm told that there was a fight between Eagle and friends and some dude holding up inside the prison building. I talk to them a bit and start sweeping the island for possible extra assailants, also initiating myself on the guy inside the prison. DK_Major then get's JFK'd by a guy who came from God knows where, I look for him and see him about to push the front entrance of the actual prison (At this time I was on the top floor of admin building) so I start taking shots at him. He runs so I give chase flanking next to the bridge, he runs past me and I start shooting and running after him, but forgot I had my gun on semi so I die like an idiot.

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Calling in @ZanderGris0207 for his full and detailed PoV. Please provide any unedited video evidence you might have.

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@ZanderGris0207 Has been on the forums since being called into this report. He will he Temp Banned until he provides his Full and Detailed POV. 

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Verdict:

@CharlieD - Attempted Invalid Kill | Guilty

@Okhchen Satori - Invalid Kill (KOS) | AOGM | Guilty

@Matt Chillas - Baiting | Guilty 

@Pooks098 - Invalid Kill (Firefight) | Inconclusive 

@ZanderGris0207 - Temp Banned (Still no POV) | Will have to create an appeal

Explanation:

To shortly summarize the situation. @Eagle, @DK_Major, & their allies are at prison island roleplaying inside the compound. When @Matt Chillas shows up at the front gate. They start to exchange some words towards one another. When @Matt Chillas starts to throw insult after insult at the people inside the compound. They ask him to leave a few times nicely, but he keeps at it until a few of them initiate on them. He then decides to walk away. When @DK_Major get shot from a distance. They then kill the person who shot and the person that was infront of the gates. They continue their RP when they hear more shots and @Eagle is killed by @Okhchen Satori. Another fight takes place where each side loose players, with the fight slowly ending due to loses.

Moving onto the rulebreaks that are in question:

Attempted Invalid Kill: In the beginning of the situation where @Matt Chillas was initiated on by only certain people who were inside the compound. With them being in a dynamic group they would not share Kill Rights with that initiation. Since @CharlieD was in a dynamic with @Matt Chillas they would only share Defense Rights, on the people who initiated. @DK_Majorwas one of the people who did not initiate, so @CharlieD or any of his allies in his dynamic would not have Defense Rights on him. Since there were no rights @CharlieD will be found guilty of Attempted Invalid Kill.

Baiting: The situation all started in the beginning of the video where @Matt Chillas can been seen coming up to the gate of the prison compound. Here you can see that there were multiple insults thrown at the people inside the compound. They even asked him to leave nicely multiple times, but he stayed there insulting them and flipping them off, along with constantly telling them what are they going to do or do something about it. He was baiting for Kill Rights because as soon as he was told to leave or he will be killed @DK_Major was shot by one of @Matt Chillas allies thinking they had rights on everyone inside the compound. With that being said @Matt Chillas will be found guilty of Baiting.

Invalid Kill (KOS) | AOGM: After the first situation in the beginning, things die down. Then @Okhchen Satori logs in inside the compound to be behind them. @Okhchen Satori did not have Defense Rights on the people inside the compound because he was not logged on when the first situation originally happened nor did he roleplay with them prior to give him rights since he was logged out. @Okhchen Satori used the logging in & out system to his advantage by logging in behind them inside the compound to get an advantage, this is considered Abuse of Game Mechanics and will be found guilty as such. Since there was no Defense Rights shared between @Okhchen Satori and his allies because he wasn't logged in he will be found guilty of Invalid Kill (KOS) because there was no roleplay that took place before the kill and the original fight was already over.

Invalid Kill (Firefight): The other kills that happened during the firefight can not be deemed valid or invalid. Since we have no proof showing that either party initiated on the other granting Kill Rights. Therefore these will be found as Inconclusive. 

The Rules that support this verdict:

  • 2.2 Exploiting or abuse of game mechanics (AOGM) is gaining an unfair advantage by using game bugs or mechanics in a way that the developer did not intend them to work. Example of exploiting is loot cycling, placing objects inside walls or other places where the object would normally not fit in, driving vehicles underwater, creating impenetrable tent walls, or intentionally using indestructible objects as shields that effectively give you invulnerability.
  • 4.2 When your life is at risk or you are subjected to a hostile action by other players you are allowed to defend yourself. This is granted by two different "kill rights" that you can gain based on circumstances of the situation like which side caused the hostile situation and which side you are on.
    • If you are a defender - the one being initiated on or subjected to other hostile actions that threaten your life which you did not start or provoke - you are allowed to defend yourself by gaining DEFENDER RIGHTS on the attackers. Defender rights allow you to kill attackers for 2 hours or until your character dies. Defender rights can be shared with anyone who you recently role played with as well as all your group members, if you are a part of an approved group.
    • If you are an attacker - the one who first did the initiation or started, caused or provoked the hostile situation - you are allowed to defend yourself by gaining ATTACKER RIGHTS on the defenders. Attacker rights allow you to kill defenders for 1 hour or until your character dies. Attacker rights can be only be shared with your approved group members. If you are not a part of an approved group, attacker rights can not be shared and apply only for your character.
  • 4.7 You may not bait other players into situations where you provoke the player into using hostile actions and then using kill rights to kill them. This is known as baiting.

Before I close out I would like to make a few suggestions. When it comes to Kill Rights and how they are granted. If you are not in an approved group and you are playing with a dynamic then you can only share Defense Rights if you have recently roleplayed with one another. If you are not sure if you have rights it is always best to reinitiate just to be safe, you can't just kill someone on sight with no roleplay either if you have no rights. When it comes to being hostile and throwing insults back and forth, make sure that it isn't baiting by making sure that there are still other paths that the other party can take with the roleplay besides just initiating. When you constantly refuse to leave and are still being hostile with insults that is leaving them with no choice but to initiate on you to get you to leave.

Outcome:

@CharlieD - Attempted Invalid Kill | Guilty - 2 Day Ban & 5 Warning Points

@Okhchen Satori - Invalid Kill (KOS) | AOGM | Guilty - 7 Day Ban & 10 Warning Points | Whitelist Revoked

@Matt Chillas - Baiting | Guilty - 5 Day Ban & 10 Warning Points

@Pooks098 - Invalid Kill (Firefight) | Inconclusive - No Action Taken

@ZanderGris0207 - Temp Banned (Still no POV) | Will have to create an appeal

Signed by: @Pontiff, @lukaszxe, @Banshee, @Samti & @RandyRP w/ Notes

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