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S1 Tisy Summer Camp: Killing of Compliant Hostage 3:57

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Server and location: S1 Tisy Summer Camp

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 04/10/2019 3:57

Your in game name: Miller Thompson

Names of allies involved: Revenants and Dredgens

Name of suspect/s: Mexicans

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): N/A

Detailed description of the events: So I'm in the Tisy Summer Camp milling around after I had interrogated one of the Toy Maker hostages. After a few minutes @-CML-NorWayy initiates on me in back of the log cabin within the camp's walls. After saying "Ok I'll put my hands up", double micing as I say it, they tell me to drop my radio. Once I drop my radio there is no communication between me and any of the Revenants I'm in ts with. After I drop my radio they say something along the lines of "If your friends shoot at us I'm gonna kill you", and I put a hand up and begin running out with them. Once I get down the road a bit the Revenants, who had kill rights on any 24th Blvd members anyway from a situation that just happened, opened up and began shooting at my hostage takers. I'm then promptly killed.

They told me to drop my radio, which I did, and still made demands which I had no way to convey to the Revenants or my members. I had my hand up in the middle of a road and they had taken my firearms, I was no threat to them.

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Hit Logs

03:59:40 | Player "Miller Thompson" hit by Player "Alan Dawson" with M4-A1 from 63.4577 meters 
03:59:42 | Player "Miller Thompson" hit by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" with M4-A1 from 9.27264 meters 

03:59:42 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" with M4-A1 from 63.489 meters 
03:59:44 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" hit by Player "Alan Dawson" with M4-A1 from 66.6551 meters 
03:59:47 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" hit by Player "Alan Dawson" with M4-A1 from 73.3383 meters 
03:59:49 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" is unconscious
04:00:25 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" regained consciousness
04:02:40 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" hit by Player "Ash Petrov" with LAR from 28.7541 meters 

Kill Logs

03:59:42 | Player "Miller Thompson" killed by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" with M4-A1 from 9.27264 meters
04:02:40 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" killed by Player "Ash Petrov" with LAR from 28.7541 meters 

Connection Logs

 03:53:53 | Player "Miller Thompson" is connected
 -KILLED-
 04:01:56 | Player "Miller Thompson" has been disconnected
 
 03:13:43 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" is connected
 04:05:56 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" has been disconnected
 04:07:04 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" is connected
 -KILLED-
 04:44:39 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" been disconnected
 
 03:40:43 | Player "Alan Dawson" is connected
 04:46:03 | Player "Alan Dawson" has been disconnected

Calling in:

@-CML-NorWayy & @NinjaBen for their full and detailed PoV. Please provide any unedited evidence you might have as well as a list of all of your allies involved in that situation.

@-CML-NorWayy | POSTED

@NinjaBen | POSTED

 

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Vitaliy Makarovich POV: Logged in at Lopatino, about 15 minutes after the boys got into a scrap with the Revenats at Bash hill. Looked around for a bit on the west end of the airfield, decided to head up towards Tisy Summer for some RP maybe meet up with my boi Riker and Jimmy Lorenzo. Got to the Camp and found @Squilliumholding a guy hostage at the gate with 1 man in green and 2 revenants covering him. These people being the Dawson brothers. Even though I had kill rights, I decided I'd rather attempt to RP with them rather then JFK them from outside the gate. Walked up to the first man and asked him his name, recognized Miller's and his friends voice and with the knowledge that the Dredgens and the Revenants were close allies and most definitely communicating via radio decided to warn the man to "Not do anything stupid when the time comes." He later approached me and asked me what I meant and I told him. "Don't do anything stupid, what is about to happen doesn't concern you. Stay back and nobody will get hurt." Which to be completely fair, although it doesn't scream, Hey imma take your boy hostage shoot me and he dies; but it is as close as I could get to saying that whilst remaining lowkey enough to not warrant being shot right there on the spot. Jimmy and I then approached Squillium, and initiated. Of course because I know they are very close to the Revenants, they were in the same radio, and afterwards I learned that the Dredgens TS channel was changed to (DREDGENS REQUESTING REVENANTS HELP) I told Squilium that I knew that he was trying to stall and that he needed to drop his radio immediately so he couldn't scream for help. I then took his weapon and told him to slowly walk to the front gate. I then proceeded to say in voip loud enough so everyone in the small camp could hear me. "If your little friend with the PP-19 and the green jacket shoots you die." The when we were about 15ft from the gate I repeated, "If any of your friends shoot at us you are going to die." I know that the Revenants @NinjaBenheard this because immediately after he repeated the same thing I told him. "Make smart choices and nobody gets hurt." to which I responded "Yes and you do the same, make smart choices." around 30 seconds after that, when we were around 50~ meters from the camp straight north down the road, the Revenants opened fire on Squillium. Not sure what the hell was going on, I turned to my right and see him start to run so I shot him 2 times then attempted to run to cover but got knocked uncon. I woke up around 1 minute later and saw Grimm roll up and try to bandage me. The guys from inside pushed out and killed me.

 

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14 minutes ago, -CML-NorWayy said:

Vitaliy Makarovich POV: Logged in at Lopatino, about 15 minutes after the boys got into a scrap with the Revenats at Bash hill. Looked around for a bit on the west end of the airfield, decided to head up towards Tisy Summer for some RP maybe meet up with my boi Riker and Jimmy Lorenzo. Got to the Camp and found @Squilliumholding a guy hostage at the gate with 1 man in green and 2 revenants covering him. These people being the Dawson brothers. Even though I had kill rights, I decided I'd rather attempt to RP with them rather then JFK them from outside the gate. Walked up to the first man and asked him his name, recognized Miller's and his friends voice and with the knowledge that the Dredgens and the Revenants were close allies and most definitely communicating via radio decided to warn the man to "Not do anything stupid when the time comes." He later approached me and asked me what I meant and I told him. "Don't do anything stupid, what is about to happen doesn't concern you. Stay back and nobody will get hurt." Which to be completely fair, although it doesn't scream, Hey imma take your boy hostage shoot me and he dies; but it is as close as I could get to saying that whilst remaining lowkey enough to not warrant being shot right there on the spot. Jimmy and I then approached Squillium, and initiated. Of course because I know they are very close to the Revenants, they were in the same radio, and afterwards I learned that the Dredgens TS channel was changed to (DREDGENS REQUESTING REVENANTS HELP) I told Squilium that I knew that he was trying to stall and that he needed to drop his radio immediately so he couldn't scream for help. I then took his weapon and told him to slowly walk to the front gate. I then proceeded to say in voip loud enough so everyone in the small camp could hear me. "If your little friend with the PP-19 and the green jacket shoots you die." The when we were about 15ft from the gate I repeated, "If any of your friends shoot at us you are going to die." I know that the Revenants @NinjaBenheard this because immediately after he repeated the same thing I told him. "Make smart choices and nobody gets hurt." to which I responded "Yes and you do the same, make smart choices." around 30 seconds after that, when we were around 50~ meters from the camp straight north down the road, the Revenants opened fire on Squillium. Not sure what the hell was going on, I turned to my right and see him start to run so I shot him 2 times then attempted to run to cover but got knocked uncon. I woke up around 1 minute later and saw Grimm roll up and try to bandage me. The guys from inside pushed out and killed me.

 

The channel name has been nothing but memes for weeks because The Revenants and myself keep changing it. The "Requesting Revenants Help" name had nothing to do with this situation, wasn't even changed by a Dredgen member. Also, my hand was still up, I don't know why the hell you'd claim I was running away. Not sure if you're lying or just oblivious to what actually happened.

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As you can see in this video https://plays.tv/s/M9uA2t7DyCXA I clearly state to the Revenants and everyone inside the camp that if we come under fire that squillium will be shot, and then after that we would kill all of them. They way you can tell this is accurate is because the man in the in the Tower, the one who replied to me, and the man on the left corner are both the men who shot me, and shot squillium as well. If you would like to pull logs for the rest of the incident you will see that everyone on the OP's side was in the courtyard was within VOIP range and in fact even responded to my threats.

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13 minutes ago, -CML-NorWayy said:

As you can see in this video https://plays.tv/s/M9uA2t7DyCXA I clearly state to the Revenants and everyone inside the camp that if we come under fire that squillium will be shot, and then after that we would kill all of them. They way you can tell this is accurate is because the man in the in the Tower, the one who replied to me, and the man on the left corner are both the men who shot me, and shot squillium as well. If you would like to pull logs for the rest of the incident you will see that everyone on the OP's side was in the courtyard was within VOIP range and in fact even responded to my threats.

Why is there a cut in the video at 1:44?

Don't wanna show you gunning me down with my hand up?

Edited by Squillium

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That video isn't taken from my perspective, will be uploading the full clip shortly.

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Also, I don't really care about you saying you went uncon, but saying "I'm in cover" after you're knocked out is metagaming.

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You literally say "I'm in cover" right as the clip cuts off after someone asks if you're in cover.

Edited by Squillium

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In the end of that clip is when I'm waking up. If the clip didn't end there you would hear the rest of the sentence. I'm in cover waking up, zorull keep on the pressure I'm low. At which point one of the bystanders bandages me while I pull out my gun.

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Just now, -CML-NorWayy said:

In the end of that clip is when I'm waking up. If the clip didn't end there you would hear the rest of the sentence. I'm in cover waking up, zorull keep on the pressure I'm low. At which point one of the bystanders bandages me while I pull out my gun.

Well hopefully the rest of the clip proves that to be true.

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3 minutes ago, -CML-NorWayy said:

Yea I really doubt you went unconscious then regained consciousness in that short amount of time. You wanted to say you were in cover so they'd come help get you up. The full video still conveniently cuts off right as you say "I'm in cover".

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I went uncon almost immediately after shooting you, but I was in the middle of a conversation with G19 about wether or not I told you and the people who shot us if we told them if we got shot at we'd kill you. Which, is what this report is about. It took me 22~ seconds to begin regaining consciousness which isn't uncommon at all when you have an innocent bystander attempting to heal you.

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Grimms POV: I was up with the Mac Tire boys interogating some of the toy makers, when I heard a large volume of gun fire come from the camp. As I've been helping with protecting the camp, I ran back to attempt to find out what was going on. I find two people behind a tree, which I now realize was Norwayy, with him being healed by a bystander who I had seen around the camp all day. Norwayy asks if I was one of Rykers boys which I confirmed. After getting Norwayy patched up we took cover behind the tree when the people from the camp came out and gunned us down. 

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36 minutes ago, -CML-NorWayy said:

I went uncon almost immediately after shooting you, but I was in the middle of a conversation with G19 about wether or not I told you and the people who shot us if we told them if we got shot at we'd kill you. Which, is what this report is about. It took me 22~ seconds to begin regaining consciousness which isn't uncommon at all when you have an innocent bystander attempting to heal you.

C'mon man, you're telling me somehow a 2:23 was recorded that ends right when you metagame, only that if the full situation were to be shown, you say "I'm in cover, I'm up". Why would your boy just cut the video right at that point?

To staff, are there any logs for going unconscious then getting up?

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Yes there are logs for consciousness, however, they only register once the character is literally back up and standing. Not when the person can see and move their head.

And as both myself and Grimm said, I was assisted by a bystander who can be seen in the video. The man with the white hunting bag who was also gunned down by the revenants behind the tree along with myself and grimm.

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2 minutes ago, -CML-NorWayy said:

Yes there are logs for consciousness, however, they only register once the character is literally back up and standing. Not when the person can see and move their head.

You mean when you have the "ring" in the middle of your screen when you're kind of close to waking up? Pretty sure you can't talk in voip, therefore can't talk over your radio.

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No, they are literally when you are back up out of the fetal position. But in the video you can see that I'm not making callout's, I'm not telling my teamates where we were taking fire from, I'm not saying who we are taking fire from. I relayed no sensitive information that would've changed anything about the situation. It's the same case of telling your teamates, hey I just got shot i'm dead, that doesn't constitute metagaming. Again, as grimm has stated, he witnessed and assisted in reviving me. Along with watching the man bandage me, I gave out no meta-gamed information whilst I was down, and along with that in the video you can clearly see me telling all of your friends if we get shot at you will die.

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Alan Dawson’s POV: 

I logged in outside of Tisy summer camp after the scrap Norway mentioned above. At this time i had never met Norway’s character in game. So my brother @NinjaCam (Scot Dawson) and i decide to RP with his character and find out who he is. Someone on the radio confirmed it was indeed a couple of Vatos there and they were looking for Miller.  I guess OOC he knew we were revenants. Anyways we hear him holding up squilliam in the pub and decide not to barge in and help him, rather wait till they leave. I do remember him saying if your buddy with the pp19 opens fire on us you’ll die. Scot and i have an m4 and an AK. I was under the assumption he didn’t know we were allies with him or revenants. On the way out Scot actually says make wise choices or something along those lines. 

 

I shoot and and hit Norway, not killing him though. I did not see squillium move from my POV and Norway sprayed him point blank and ran for cover. 

Edit: logs show i shot miller? Not sure how because I saw blood from makarovich when i shot. Squillium was unarmed standing nearby with a hand up, the guy i shot had a gun escorting him. 

(Cam and I are out of town for work and will be back home Friday night. I believe cam has a recording)

Edited by NinjaBen

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Okay, no more back & forth from now on. Please only post if you have something new to provide.

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With permission from Pontiff, I would like to push for a Counter Report against Squillium for False Report. Based on the OP's statement the video evidence and the statements from the OP's allies, it is very clear that the OP told the Revenants that he was being taken hostage. The Revenants in the base very clearly heard me make the demand both to Squillium and to the general area that if we received fire that Squillium would be shot. 

19 hours ago, NinjaBen said:

Someone on the radio confirmed it was indeed a couple of Vatos there and they were looking for Miller.

 

19 hours ago, NinjaBen said:

Anyways we hear him holding up squilliam in the pub and decide not to barge in and help him, rather wait till they leave.

As you can see from these two quotes its very obvious this is not a carry over from the initial engagement that I was not involved with at Bash mountain but instead is a use of the OP's allies Dynamic Defense rights following a new initiation against Squillium. 

In this video evidence from Zorull https://plays.tv/video/5cae92fd872154c5fb/monkey-8-seconds You can clearly see me making these demands to Squillium's friend who I discovered were there friends based off of how they were guarding him whilst he was interrogating another man, along with how I had given them previous warnings about doing smart things and their reactions to my initiation on Squillium in total that is 4 warnings. Yet they headed none of them. Squilium also claims that there was no way for him to convey that information to his allies, fair enough but in the video and the POV of his allies, I covered that for him multiple times, however they didn't listen.

Towards the end of the video unfortunately it cuts off in the middle of an awkward sentence. Based off the POV of @HeyItsGrimmhe clearly states that I was being revived by a random bystander behind a tree and once Grimm arrived he assisted in bandaging and covering me with his rifle as well with the intent to initiate and help in the fight. However, due to Zorull's recording crashing and it being in his POV, the only way to confirm this is from Grimm's POV.

It seems very clear to me that this report is a clear continuation in an effort to target myself and members of my group based of off OOC bias as a result of our invalid initiation report against MoodyOG without any basis in any rulebreaks.

Edited by -CML-NorWayy

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1 hour ago, -CML-NorWayy said:

With permission from Pontiff, I would like to push for a Counter Report against Squillium for False Report. Based on the OP's statement the video evidence and the statements from the OP's allies, it is very clear that the OP told the Revenants that he was being taken hostage. The Revenants in the base very clearly heard me make the demand both to Squillium and to the general area that if we received fire that Squillium would be shot. 

 

As you can see from these two quotes its very obvious this is not a carry over from the initial engagement that I was not involved with at Bash mountain but instead is a use of the OP's allies Dynamic Defense rights following a new initiation against Squillium. 

In this video evidence from Zorull https://plays.tv/video/5cae92fd872154c5fb/monkey-8-seconds You can clearly see me making these demands to Squillium's friend who I discovered were there friends based off of how they were guarding him whilst he was interrogating another man, along with how I had given them previous warnings about doing smart things and their reactions to my initiation on Squillium in total that is 4 warnings. Yet they headed none of them. Squilium also claims that there was no way for him to convey that information to his allies, fair enough but in the video and the POV of his allies, I covered that for him multiple times, however they didn’t listen.

You can try to spin it however you want. You went into a camp, with low numbers considering most of you just got wiped, took me hostage and gunned me down with my hand up on the road with little to no RP. The Revanants didn’t use their kill rights on you immediately because they wanted to try and further the RP. Instead you took a hostage from a very public place and suffered the consequences. You can try and claim “false report” all you want but I would hope regardlesss of staff’s opinion on the verdict that there was more than enough reason to put up this report.

Also, the fact that you’re pretty blatantly metagaming at the end of the clip and lying about it is also pretty bad.

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