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S1, South of Tisy Summer Camp - Invalid initiation

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Posted (edited)

Server and location: S1 South of Tisy

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): around 00:00 

Your in game name: Billy Wockhardt

Names of allies involved: The ones I remember are @G19RP @-CML-NorWayy @Hex @perqe @Kai @Osku / I believe that there could be more don't remember though

Name of suspect/s: No clue, logs will show

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): None

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):

As you can see in my video, we don't know who it was, where it was. All we knew is someone just screamed over a megaphone to put your hands up.

This would be a violation of rule 4.1

Detailed description of the events: Me and the boys were running south of Tisy towards Novaya when we suddenly hear someone scream over a megaphone something along the lines of "Everyone hands up or you will be shot" we then start getting shot at about 2 seconds after the initiation is finished. After that a gunfight ensues and I die. 

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Adding video

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POV: Will write soon, but yall literally insta sprinted and opened up on us from the north before we shot i believe. We def gave a good amount of comply. We dropped yeet and yall sprinted. 

If you would like to speak about it then feel free to join our TS.

I have a 30second vid, thought I had a 5minute one but I do not. I messed up and forgot to change it back to default 5min, but I have been playing Rust and recording snipits and didn't remember to do that. And before you ask I have a macro on my keyboard that insta saves shadowplay clips.

Anyways these dudes instantly ran upon initiation. Video will be up soon.

PoV: Saw a group of people that we recognized as the 24th dudes walking down the road. At the time we only saw 3, we wait behind hay bails, letting them come to us. When they get close enough to be able to hear the initiation, we drop the fat yeet and the firefight ensues. Thats about all I got. 

You are gonna have to squint but they fuckin booked it upon initiation. That is textbook non compliance in my eyes. Don't know what this report is about

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Logs will show Allies, pretty sure all of us got tagged in the fight at least once

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51 minutes ago, MoodyOG said:

You are gonna have to squint but they fuckin booked it upon initiation. That is textbook non compliance in my eyes. Don't know what this report is about

This report is about invalid initiation, your initiation with the megaphone was invalid. It is in the rules, and Rolle has mentioned this several  times. 

My video will be up soon also. 

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Rolle has mentioned not on RP hubs, So I made it clear who I was initiating on. You can hear it in the vid. 

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@MoodyOG Could you please list all of your allies?

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Mikey Cross POV

Heading with the boys up toward Novey/Tisy summer camp, we see a few Vatos we recognize, we take position in the field maybe 100 meters from them, we let them close in a bit on the road, and moody uses a megaphone to make sure there is no confusion on them hearing the initiation, the three immediately run, showing they have no intentions of complying so we open fire, i flank south to try and cut them off , end up getting lost as it gets dark.

Im sure i hit no one in the initial conflict so posting because i wont be in logs.

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We all was chilling around Novaya. We decide that we was going to head up to the Tisy camp. We see 3 guys on the street walking down from the road by some houses. We waited for them to get closer just to be 100% they would hear the mega phone. @MoodyOG initiated and moments after they start bolting. And moody says to open fire. I tag a couple but get knocked uncon. After I woke up I tried hiding in a bush  but was gunned down.

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1 hour ago, MoodyOG said:

 

Watching your video it seems highly unlikely that you instant replayed the last 30 seconds while ADSing trying to shoot someone. Are you sure that's all you got?

 

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Ivans POV: My allies and I were headed up north towards Tisy town/summer camp when I hear over TS that there were 3 people up the road towards a barn. They recognize them as vatos/mexicans/24th/who ever you wanna call them and we set up to initiate. Them behind hay bales and me on the other side of the road behind a tree that blocked most of my view. I knew which direction they were in but did not have eyes and i didnt wanna cross the road for risk of being seen. So I wait for them to drop the fat yeet and then would go from there. After moody drops the yeet addressing them 3, I could see a figure or 2 through my tree start running away, i think with guns out. After I heard they weren't complying I start to set up for shots and a firefight ensues.

 

After the initiation, we fired and were fired upon, thus giving me kill rights. I, however, did not fire and hit the enemy until after I was hit several times by what I assumed to be the enemy. I can be heard several times beginning at 20 seconds on moody's video exclaiming that I have been shot, yet I do not see me being hit in any logs. Maybe it was my own people hitting me and that's why the hit logs weren't posted? I'm not sure but I know for a fact I was hit and then shot the enemy after I was.

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Just in case I'm hit with attemted RDM or something

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I told you the truth, its not hard to move my pinkie a key to the left to hit my save button. So yes that is all I got. I will not be replying any more to the report unless asked by staff

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POV: After regrouping with the rest of my group, we decided to make our way up north to find some Roleplay. We then were running through and open field and almost ran past the three guys on the road after a brief conversation we decided to take up positions and then ambush them. Shortly after @MoodyOG calls out and initiation through the megaphone they begin start to scatter and fire back at us.

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1 hour ago, ScarRP said:

-snip-

This is weird cuz I instantly got shot after that initiation, its almost as if you knew where I was already? Just seems suspicious to me.

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16 minutes ago, MoodyOG said:

I will not be replying any more to the report unless asked by staff

Yea man we knew where you were after you opened fire on us. It's not that hard to tell where gunshots are coming from, so yes once you opened fire on us we then recognized where you were. 

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My only question is that in your video evidence you can clearly tell where the megaphone is coming from based on your reactions to taking cover opposite side of the road, yet your claiming to not know where we where until you got shot at? 

Your video suggests you did know based on the reaction, before any shots, why?

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1 minute ago, ZombyOG said:

My only question is that in your video evidence you can clearly tell where the megaphone is coming from based on your reactions to taking cover opposite side of the road, yet your claiming to not know where we where until you got shot at? 

Your video suggests you did know based on the reaction, before any shots, why?

I don't know if you have ever used a megaphone, but yes they are somewhat directional I could tell it came from somewhere left of us. What I don't know is exactly where, nor how far the person was initiating. I believe megaphones have a radius of something like 400m, so that means the initiator could have been anywhere to my left within like a 400m radius. Any other questions?

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No more questions

But yes I've used a megaphone and have heard them in game.

Logic would dictate we wouldn't be shooting much past the field we where in due to megaphones being quieter based on distance, but i get it, some people might try and shoot through 2 hay fields divided by a decent tree line, but i get where your coming from.

ill be here if admins need any info.

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Just adding a reference for what im speaking about.

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Connection Logs

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21:11:38 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" is connected 
00:18:00 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" has been disconnected
00:21:09 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" is connected 

21:45:41 | Player "Clayton Biggsbe" is connected 
00:02:05 | Player "Clayton Biggsbe" has been disconnected
01:49:34 | Player "Clayton Biggsbe" is connected
-STILL IN GAME-

23:37:30 | Player "Ash Petrov" is connected
-STILL IN GAME-

21:11:17 | Player "Collin Russel" is connected
01:20:06 | Player "Collin Russel"has been disconnected

21:15:58 | Player "Oscar ODoyle" is connected
00:46:09 | Player "Oscar ODoyle" has been disconnected

21:24:51 | Player "Dr Puncture Smith" is connected
00:17:06 | Player "Dr Puncture Smith" has been disconnected

22:05:23 | Player "Zorin Navalov" is connected
00:23:09 | Player "Zorin Navalov" has been disconnected
-STILL IN GAME-

23:02:05 | Player "Alejandro Perez" is connected
-STILL IN GAME-

00:02:07 | Player "Jake Lemon" is connected 
00:59:09 | Player "Jake Lemon"has been disconnected

23:06:41 | Player "Rustin Jones" is connected
01:58:07 | Player "Rustin Jones" has been disconnected

21:12:18 | Player "Artur Grau" is connected
00:02:57 | Player "Artur Grau" has been disconnected

21:13:53 | Player "Ivan Malkovka" is connected
00:07:52 | Player "Ivan Malkovka" has been disconnected

22:34:40 | Player "Javier Garcia" is connected
00:31:07 | Player "Javier Garcia" has been disconnected
-STILL IN GAME-

22:45:17 | Player "Billy Wockhardt" is connected
00:25:33 | Player "Billy Wockhardt"has been disconnected

 

Hit Logs

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00:00:50 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" hit by Player "Clayton Biggsbe" into Torsowith FN SCAR-L from 56.4374 meters
00:01:13 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into RightLeg with M4-A1 from 65.7911 meters 
00:12:32 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into RightArm with M70 Tundra from 81.3705 meters 
00:12:32 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into Torso with M70 Tundra from 81.3705 meters 
00:12:32 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into Torso with M70 Tundra from 81.3705 meters 

0:05:03 | Player "Billy Wockhardt" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into Torso with M4-A1 from 19.4535 meters 

00:01:12 | Player "Clayton Biggsbe" hit by Player "Rustin Jones" into RightLeg with LAR from 14.0123 meters
00:01:12 | Player "Clayton Biggsbe" hit by Player "Rustin Jones" into Torso with LAR from 13.8234 meters 
00:01:12 | Player "Clayton Biggsbe" hit by Player "Rustin Jones" into Torso with LAR from 13.7291 meters 
00:01:50 | Player "Clayton Biggsbe" hit by Player "Billy Wockhardt" into Torso with M4-A1 from 13.5542 meters 
00:01:50 | Player "Clayton Biggsbe" hit by Player "Billy Wockhardt"  into RightLeg with M4-A1 from 12.9264 meters 
00:01:53 | Player "Clayton Biggsbe" hit by Player "Rustin Jones" into Torso with LAR from 5.20642 meters

00:01:00 | Player "Ash Petrov" hit by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" into LeftArm with LAR from 54.3152 meters 
00:01:00 | Player "Ash Petrov" hit by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" into Torso with LAR from 54.3152 meters 
00:01:00 | Player "Ash Petrov" hit by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" into Torso with LAR from 54.3152 meters 

00:01:02 | Player "Collin Russel" hit by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" into RightHand with LAR from 50.0017 meters
00:01:39 | Player "Collin Russel" hit by Player "Zorin Navalov" into Torso with M4-A1 from 154.85 meters 
00:03:08 | Player "Collin Russel" hit by Player "Javier Garcia" into Torso with LAR from 8.48071 meters 
00:03:41 | Player "Collin Russel" hit by Player "Zorin Navalov" into LeftLeg with M4-A1 from 258.566 meters 
00:04:58 | Player "Collin Russel" hit by Player "Billy Wockhardt" into LeftArm with M4-A1 from 31.8901 meters 
00:05:03 | Player "Collin Russel" hit by Player "Billy Wockhardt" into LeftHand with M4-A1 from 19.4636 meters 
00:05:03 | Player "Collin Russel" hit by Player "Billy Wockhardt" into Head with M4-A1 from 19.4931 meters 

00:12:55 | Player "Oscar ODoyle" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into LeftLeg with M4-A1 from 66.7577 meters 
00:32:23 | Player "Oscar ODoyle" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into LeftArm with M4-A1 from 40.6853 meters
00:32:23 | Player "Oscar ODoyle" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into Torso with M4-A1 from 40.6853 meters 
00:32:27 | Player "Oscar ODoyle" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into Torso with M4-A1 from 39.7892 meters 
00:32:35 | Player "Oscar ODoyle" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into Torso with M4-A1 from 33.6255 meters 

00:08:36 | Player "Dr Puncture Smith" hit by Player "Alejandro Perez" into Lungs from meters 5.67027
00:08:36 | Player "Dr Puncture Smith" hit by Player "Alejandro Perez" into Torso with KA-M from 5.67027 meters 
00:08:36 | Player "Dr Puncture Smith" hit by Player "Alejandro Perez" into LeftArm with KA-M from 5.67027 meters 
00:08:36 | Player "Dr Puncture Smith" hit by Player "Alejandro Perez" into Lungs with KA-M from 5.67027 meters 
00:08:36 | Player "Dr Puncture Smith" hit by Player "Alejandro Perez" into Torso with KA-M from 5.67027 meters 
00:08:39 | Player "Dr Puncture Smith" hit by Player "Oscar ODoyle" into LeftArm with KA-M from 42.6899 meters 
00:08:40 | Player "Dr Puncture Smith"  hit by Player "Zorin Navalov" into Head with M4-A1 from 134.349 meters 


00:01:53 | Player "Zorin Navalov" hit by Player "Ivan Malkovka" into RightLegwith M1A SOCOM from 204.296 meters 
00:01:57 | Player "Zorin Navalov" hit by Player "Ivan Malkovka" into RightLeg with M1A SOCOM from 195.631 meters 
00:01:57 | Player "Zorin Navalov" hit by Player "Ivan Malkovka" into RightLeg with M1A SOCOM from 195.631 meters 
00:01:57 | Player "Zorin Navalov" hit by Player "Ivan Malkovka" into Torso with M1A SOCOM from 195.631 meters 
00:02:01 | Player "Zorin Navalov" is unconscious
00:02:30 | Player "Zorin Navalov" regained consciousness
00:06:11 | Player "Zorin Navalov" hit by Player "Alejandro Perez" into Torso with KA-M from 3.23348 meters
00:08:47 | Player "Zorin Navalov" hit by Player "Collin Russel" with M70 Tundra from 289.755 meters 
00:08:47 | Player "Zorin Navalov" killed by Player "Collin Russel" with M70 Tundra from 289.755 meters 

00:06:13 | Player "Alejandro Perez" hit by Player "Zorin Navalov" into Torso with M4-A1 from 5.96138 meters
00:08:37 | Player "Alejandro Perez" hit by Player "Dr Puncture Smith" into Torsowith Mk22 Mod 0 from 5.957 meters 
00:08:37 | Player "Alejandro Perez" hit by Player "Dr Puncture Smith" into LeftArm with Mk22 Mod 0 from 6.3158 meters 
00:08:37 | Player "Alejandro Perez" hit by Player "Dr Puncture Smith" into Torso with Mk22 Mod 0 from 6.3158 meters 
00:08:37 | Player "Alejandro Perez" hit by Player "Dr Puncture Smith" into Torso with Mk22 Mod 0 from 6.62611 meters 
00:08:39 | Player "Alejandro Perez" is unconscious

00:12:46 | Player "Jake Lemon" hit by Player "Oscar ODoyle" with KA-M from 118.083 meters

00:02:49 | Player "Rustin Jones" hit by Player "Artur Grau" into Torso with FN SCAR-L from 11.3603 meters 
00:02:49 | Player "Rustin Jones" hit by Player "Artur Grau"  into LeftArm with FN SCAR-L from 11.0115 meters 
00:02:49 | Player "Rustin Jones" hit by Player "Artur Grau" into Torso with FN SCAR-L from 11.0115 meters 
00:02:50 | Player "Rustin Jones" hit by Player "Artur Grau" into LeftLeg with FN SCAR-L from 10.0036 meters 
00:01:12 | Player "Rustin Jones" hit by Player "Clayton Biggsbe" into RightArm with KA-M from 13.8234 meters 	
00:01:13 | Player "Rustin Jones" hit by Player "Clayton Biggsbe" into Torso) with KA-M from 13.0415 meters 
00:05:13 | Player "Rustin Jones" hit by Player "Dr Puncture Smith" into Torso with M70 Tundra

00:01:10 | Player "Artur Grau" hit by Player "Rustin Jones" into LeftLeg with LAR from 20.5388 meters 
00:01:10 | Player "Artur Grau" hit by Player "Rustin Jones" into Torso with LAR from 20.1272 meters 
00:01:13 | Player "Artur Grau" hit by Player "Billy Wockhardt" into Torso with M4-A1 from 30.9233 meters 
00:02:50 | Player "Artur Grau" hit by Player "Rustin Jones" into LeftHand with LAR from 10.191 meters 
00:02:50 | Player "Artur Grau" hit by Player "Rustin Jones" into RightArm with LAR from 10.3164 meters 
00:02:50 | Player "Artur Grau" hit by Player "Rustin Jones" into RightArm with LAR from 10.3164 meters 
00:02:50 | Player "Artur Grau" killed by Player "Rustin Jones" with LAR from 10.3164 meters

00:02:31 | Player "Ivan Malkovka" hit by Player "Javier Garcia" into Torso with LAR from 75.7031 meters 
00:02:33 | Player "Ivan Malkovka" hit by Player "Javier Garcia" into Torso with LAR from 74.5126 meters 
00:02:33 | Player "Ivan Malkovka" killed by Player "Javier Garcia"  with LAR from 74.5126 meters 

00:03:05 | Player "Javier Garcia" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into LeftArm with M4-A1 from 18.2639 meters 
00:03:08 | Player "Javier Garcia" hit by Player "Collin Russel" into Torso with M4-A1 from 8.58213 meters 
00:03:08 | Player "Javier Garcia" killed by Player "Collin Russel"  with M4-A1 from 8.42482 meters


 

Kill Logs

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00:12:32 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" killed by Player "Collin Russel"  with M70 Tundra from 81.3705 meters 

00:32:36 | Player "Oscar ODoyle" killed by Player "Collin Russel" with M4-A1 from 33.635 meters

00:08:40 | Player "Dr Puncture Smith" killed by Player "Zorin Navalov" with M4-A1 from 134.349 meters 

00:08:47 | Player "Zorin Navalov" killed by Player "Collin Russel" with M70 Tundra from 289.755 meters 

00:09:06 | Player "Alejandro Perez" killed by Player "Oscar ODoyle" with KA-M from 1.62557 meters 

00:07:24 | Player "Rustin Jones" killed by Player "Dr Puncture Smith" with M70 Tundra from 75.0012 meters

00:05:04 | Player "Billy Wockhardt" killed by Player "Collin Russel" with M4-A1 from 19.51 meters

00:02:50 | Player "Artur Grau" killed by Player "Rustin Jones" with LAR from 10.3164 meters 

00:02:33 | Player "Ivan Malkovka" killed by Player "Javier Garcia" with LAR from 74.5126 meters

 

Calling In:

@ScarRP - POSTED
@G19RP - POSTED
@MoodyOG - POSTED 
@Kai - POSTED
@Hex - POSTED
@TeutonicOG - POSTED
@BiggsbeOG - POSTED
@Puncture - POSTED
@shipwreck117 - POSTED
@Osku 
- POSTED
@JoeyOG - POSTED
@ZombyOG - POSTED
@perqe 
- POSTED
@-CML-NorWayy - POSTED

For their full POV and any unedited evidence they may have. From this point on, replies should only be POV's or video evidence.

Logs will be completed at a later point today.

 

 

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Dr Puncture POV

I heard john moody tell me there was fight above noveya, So I came to assist the saviors. When I got there I got shot at so I flanked around and sniped someone laying down behind a haybale, I then ran to the body grabbed a fal and as I was trying to run away with my new fal I got shot at by a bambi and I killed him and got shot in the back. 

 

I had  rights from previous hostilities against the 24th

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Hex's PoV

I was working with 24th for a few days now on and off as any good and self respecting Merc would. We find ourselves up North at Tizy and while I'm not paying attention, the boys move out and back down South. With being behind about 5-10 minutes, I begin to head down to chase after them when I hear what was apparently the initiation. All I herd was barely sensible yelling over a megaphone then instantly shots. Being with a active dynamic with the people being initiated on, I utilized my rights and moved in from the North as shown by my amazing artwork below. I set up North of the shooters and watch them actively engage my friends where I begin to engage them as well and take shots soon after which put me unconscious. After a few seconds I wake up, patch myself up and resume shooting. As I'm healing and reloading a mag, one of my compatriots comes up and shoots me in the ass and puts me back to literally zero blood. After heated words, none of which I care to repeat on this website, I resume shooting at hostiles on the far West treeline. This goes on for another few minutes before I get shot in the face. 

 

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POV: Was at the camp with the boys when we started getting sniped by someone. We hang around for about an hour or so before deciding to head back south. We're strolling down the road singing songs when some loud screaming comes from a megaphone nearby. I call out an initiation has been dropped and I prone on the floor next to the road as to not get shot in the head. I finesse the men shooting at me by putting up my hands, waiting for them to get close and spraying one before flicking onto the other. The two men survived and fled off as I roll away with tears in my eyes. I then reload some mags for the horrible FAL rifle before shooting an enemy who dived prone in a bush. I then push another enemy on 1 hp and spray him down before retreating back to a hay bale. I begin taking shots again by a sniper and patiently sit behind it eating about 5 cans of food. I then get the "You are dead" screen. 

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Vitaliy Makarovich POV: Was with my boys for about an hour up at the RP hub at Tisy Summer camp, just chatting along. After our boys all regrouped we split up into smaller three man teams and began heading back South to Novaya then down to GM. I found my boy Perqe who had died around 40 minutes earlier running up the road so I dropped him the spare AK i had some food and mags. After we chatted shit for a little bit we continued down the road towards Novaya. About 3 mins after seeing perqe, I was full sprint down the road just ahead of Scar and Kai since they were injured after falling off a small cliff. I head into the small tree line adjacent to the road to lower my silhouette when crossing the open field since it was beginning to be dusk. As soon as I enter the treeline at full sprint, I hear someone screaming into a megaphone although I didn't hear anything but "PUT YOUR FUCKING HANDS UP". Because I was facing directly at him but couldn't see him the audio sounded like it was coming from behind me. So I turned around confused as all hell, but by the time I processed what was going on I got shot. Literally 1.5 seconds after the initiation as you can see from the logs, and from Moody telling his men to shoot us before he could even hit tab to put away the megaphone as referenced in his video evidence. So in response to me getting shot, literally 2 seconds after the initiation I decided, regardless of whether or not I complied I was going to be killed. This belief was further reinforced by the fact that Kai went prone and was not attempting to fight until even though he didn't have his rifle out he was still shot at. It was at this point that I peeled out to the south side and put fire down on Joey and Moody, and held a position covering our south side until the rest of the boys showed up. After about 12 more minutes of active fighting I got one tapped from a Winnie to the chest which lowkey broke my heart.

 

I would also like to state that @MoodyOGclearly lies in his POV by stating that we shot first, however in the video he posted it's extremely clear, that not only did he tell his men to open fire on us only 1 and a half seconds after the initiation. 

20 hours ago, MoodyOG said:

Will write soon, but yall literally insta sprinted and opened up on us from the north before we shot i believe. We def gave a good amount of comply.

In his video he didn't even have enough time to hit tab before he told his guys to shoot us. Which clearly shows that we had absolutely not time to comply, the animation to put your hands up and surrender itself takes 2 full seconds. Which you can see in moody's video as well when Kai stays still at the edge of the tree line and attempts to surrender and is still shot at. Along with this statement made by Moody

19 hours ago, MoodyOG said:

This is weird cuz I instantly got shot after that initiation, its almost as if you knew where I was already? Just seems suspicious to me.

Which is also a lie, he was shot by me at 0:20 in his video, a full 0:15 seconds after he told his boys to shoot, and 16.5 seconds after the initiation. Well after Bigsby had and one other had put around 20 rounds in my direction. By the time that I fired my first shot at 0:01:00 at Joey, a full 10 seconds had passed since I was first fired at. It took me this long to realize that the fire was coming from our left across the road and not from the North-East as stated in Scar's video from my audio at 0:07 in his video, at this point I pulled south as referenced in my POV and engaged the people had shot at me immediately after the initiation.

 

19 hours ago, JoeyOG said:

Shortly after @MoodyOG calls out and initiation through the megaphone they begin start to scatter and fire back at us.

In this quote from Joey, he conveniently leaves out the part that 2 seconds after the initiation him and the rest of the accused's party opens fire on us, and the first shots back at them were a full 10 seconds after they were already shooting me and shooting at Kai and Scar.

Along with this quote from @TeutonicOG  "Invalid Initiation: moody dropped the yeet from a Megaphone proning behind a hayball 30 meters away from the OP to not get shot in the process. Instead I and I guess someone else decided to Show ourselfs only 10 or 15 meters away from them Right as the Initiation was called out." He claims that they were 10 meters away from us when they dropped the initiation which is another clear lie. As you can see from the logs here: (00:00:50 | Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" hit by Player "Clayton Biggsbe" into Torsowith FN SCAR-L from 56.4374 meters) Biggsbe who was the furthest north of the group and closest to me fired at me 2 seconds after the initiation and was 56.43m away, when I pushed up and attempted to close the distance between my attackers as show here (00:01:00 | Player "Ash Petrov" hit by Player "Vitaliy Makarovich" into LeftArm with LAR from 54.3152 meters) This shot that I just quoted was the first shot fired back from the OP's party, during which I pushed up as far as possible without dying. This return fire also clearly shows that even though both sides were pushing up, the distance between both parties was well over 50m for the majority of the fight.

4.4 Hostile situations must focus on the role play experience of both attackers and victims. Both sides should actively participate and contribute to role play in all situations, any disputes or issues can be discussed and resolved afterwards. 

Rule 4.4 clearly states that hostile situations must focus on the experience of both attackers and victims. Very clearly through the conduct shown by MoodyOG and his initiation and orders to fire being within 1.5 seconds of each other clearly show that they were not interested in the Roleplay experience whatsoever, and were purely focused on killing. This is further shown by the fact that even though they had far superior numbers they decided to hide and wait for an ambiguous megaphone initiation rather than attempt to speak with us and capture us.

4.1 All initiations and hostile actions as well as their demands and conditions must be made clear and unambiguous to all involved players. Hostile actions or initiations must be done personally and on specific targets who must be aware who the attacker is, for example they cannot be done remotely through radio or PA system.

As stated in 4.1 all initiations must be clear and unambiguous, seeing as we were less than 300m from the RP hub, and there are plenty of roads in that area. Along with the fact that it was dark in game, and that we had no visuals on the initiators before I was shot. This shows clearly that the initiation was not clear, the demands although clear we were not given nearly enough time to comply whats-o-ever. We were not sure who the attacker was, we did not know where the attacker was. And up until I got shot, and me calling out the location of the threat we had no clue if we were being initiated on or if we had just heard someone else's initiation.

In conclusion, It is very clear to me that multiple POV's from the accused party contain lies. I was not given nearly enough time to comply, I didn't even have my rifle out when I was shot, neither did Scar. And that along with this Rule 4.1 and 4.4 were violated, and due to rule 4.1 being violated with an invalid initiation, all kills other than Punctures, and all attempted kills are there for invalid. Puncture being the only one with kill rights. 

Edited by -CML-NorWayy
Addition for context/Clarification

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I do not have any video evidence, the evidence posted for our group has been submitted by scar.

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I meet up with Norway and he gives me a gun, I believe Scar, Norway, and Kai start running south. A little later I was muted in TS when I suddenly hear a megaphone initiation, I then run for cover thinking the initiation was on me and unmute my TS. When I unmute my TS the boys let me know they got initiated on and I start running towards them, when I arrived I shot someone a bit then died.

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