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S1 Devils Castle Violation of rule 2.3 and Griefing 03-31-19 20:17

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Server and location: Server 1 Devils Castle

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): A couple minutes before 20:17

Your in game name: Clayton Biggsbe

Names of allies involved: Revenants

Name of suspect/s: Jackals and 24th Blvd and Prigorodki Street XII

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): NA

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):

Detailed description of the events: Yesterday we hosted a Fight Night event. As soon as the event was over they started telling people they should leave things are about to go down. They then tried to boost over our walls and we say do not boost over our walls. They say something along the lines or what. They then forced us to initiate because they would not stop trying to boost over. The attacks went on for around 4 hours yesterday.  After the fight Jackals came back to PvP again. But we was offline.  @Mia was taken hostage by Jackals at our base. She said she saw walls broke down.

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In this screen shot there was another watchtower on the left side. No reason at all for breaking it down. And also other group members will be adding there PoV's shortly.

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In this screenshot you could walk all the way around the fences. No need to break these walls down.

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POV : We were rebuilding our precious base after last nights griefing. Whilst looking for areas that need repairment two dudes show up and start to walk around our base thinking it's theirs even though we told them to leave and stop with their shit. After multiple non-hostile warnings, they lose patience and initiate. They kill a couple and so do we, their cavalry later arrives and they kill everyone.

Question for attackers: Why do you keep attacking us every day? What possible reason could you have, please shoot me a pm or write it here. These constant attacks are ridiculous since we get no chance to get our base up so we can exercise the roleplay that we are aiming for. Our base got insanely griefed and we still get attacked every day. There is nothing you gain from attacking us every day and we wonder why.

Take care.

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Just to be clear, I saw one missing wall before we were taken hostage.  I didn't see who took it down;  I also didn't see who took down the other walls.  Sorry, for the confusion.

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Grizzlys POV: For the past few days I've been on its been straight PvP little to no RP... Yesterday when we had a d-7 member Juri hostage we tried to negotiate but they only told us all to surrender and lay down arms and then they would talk smack calling us "Pussy's" and other rude names. It's to the point where most of these people are there just to fight and not rp they bait an initiation or just initiate on us because they're excuse is we have ex saviors in our group. Then last night when we all hopped off cause it was late they go and grief most of our stuff at base so they can attack us and take us out easier today. We don't really want to fight we just want to have an RP hub full of survivors to create decent Roleplay within the server.

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Pogo POV: The past 2 weeks that we have been at Devils castle we see on average about 2 attacks a day. Sometimes by the same group who die in one fight, regear, then come back to initiate again. Logs would even prove this. Attacking the compound is nothing more than just pvp. They claim we initiate first, well yes because we tell them that if you break down our walls or try and boost over our fences we will take shots at them. Kind of forcing us into giving them defensive rights. Looking at the Vatos group goals, it primarily relates to creating and setting up a drug trade. How does attacking our compound 1,2, even 3 times a day accomplish those goals? It’s clear it’s just for pvp. We tried stopping hostilities with the Jackals by offering them 20% of trade that occurs in our RP hub, however they broke it just a day or two later. We’ve offered to talk to them ooc but they decline and focus on PVP. If they have past hostilities with us and that’s the reason for attacking the RP hub then that’s fine. But the rate at which we receive attacks is insane. It’s impossible to progress any kind of RP. They will also say that if we just comply they will have no reason to attack. That’s false because some of us have complied and are just executed and then they attack the compound again. The constant pvp plus the griefing has made it impossible to RP on the server. How does dying at our Castle, and then coming back to initiate again make any RP sense.

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POV: Starting off:

2.3 Be a good sport. Do not focus on PvP aspect of the game and attack everything that moves just because you can or are good at it. Remember that not many players will enjoy being constantly attacked, therefore you should not dominate other groups or players into submission to a point where they can no longer accomplish their regular role play or enjoy the game.

Some argue that yes these are both hostile groups but it has gotten to the point where the hostile portion of their RP is no longer there and its just strictly pvp or just enough rp to stall for the rest of their guys to get positions.

They attack whenever they are geared, repeatedly. When our base is properly built they cannot win, its just a matter of them wanting to pvp. They know they can't get through the defenses in the towers. Yet they repeatedly try to attack again, and again, and again. We have tried speaking to them about the issues. But within a day or so its back to normal with non stop attacks.

We can no longer accomplish our regular role play or enjoy the game. We log in and we are attacked. We hardly get role play at all anymore. These two groups are the primary one's attacking non stop. These attacks do not further roleplay. 

They also want to claim that we initiate, well to be fair when you are trying to break into our base, boost over walls and loot our stuff, IDK what they think will happen. These groups also have a tendency along with D7 to play the victim card saying we always go on edge when they show up. We do this because of the history of them attacking non stop. And regardless everytime they do show up there is an initiation of some sort

Edit: This is a case we are building, we intend to keep this open for 2 weeks minimum to document every attack or attempts to bait initiation from us. We will be adding server times and dates of prior fire fights to the best of our abilities. 

Firefight (3 hours in length) Time and date: 20190330 server time 2100-0000 Enemies: Jackels (x2), Mexicans, some GD. Second attack 20190331 server time: 0100-0200, enemies: Jackels

Devils, 20190331 0050 Jackels, Mexicans, D7

 

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POV: a couple of days ago our Group decided to create a new base to invite other Players and provide/receive RP. A lot of efford was put into the whole Project and everyone was happy as soon as it was completed. Not even a day later we started to get attacked from several Groups - which alone is totally fine. there are a lot of hostile Groups atm so Nothing else to be expected. The Problem here is the frequent attacks.. multiple times a day we have to deal with attacks that nearly never happens for the sake of rp.
I am not able to give detailed informations about the griefing case since I decided to not play actively anymore because of the lack of RP in the last days. So i wasn't aware of what happened in the past 4/5 days.

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We currently lack certain logs we can't proceed with part of this report.

Looking at the at the POVs and logs from this report there isn't enough evidence provided for us to proceed with a Rule 2.3 Violation.

I see that multiple groups are that are being reported here, without enough evidence. With rule 2.3 you are stating that each group is focusing only on the PVP and not the RP; there is no way for us to judge what happened just by looking at logs. We need to have video evidence of the situations to show that there was more of a focus on PVP than RP. It looks like this is regarding multiple groups who attacked over a two-day span. Rule 2.3 is to be used if the same group is attacking 4-5 times a day. You can't accuse multiple groups who attacked you over a two-day span of rule 2.3, with them only attacking once or twice in the day with hours between each confrontation.  

Just providing dates and times isn't enough evidence for us to continue this report and with the clarification of rule 2.3 this report will be closed.

 

//Solved w/ Notes.

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