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S1- GearRP - 2019-03-10, 04:00

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Server and location: S1 and Stary Sobor Church

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2019-03-10 4:00ish

Your in game name: Kirby Hammer

Names of allies involved: @MrBowTie @Rapid Steve

Name of suspect/s: @Lego and other Green Dragons

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): my 4x4 offroad

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): https://plays.tv/video/5c848dc5f32acb79f2/full-hostage-situation?from=user (Pov) from @MrBowTie

Detailed description of the events: Pov- I was driving through Stary to get food since i was pretty low, i stop at the supermarket and get what i need, Once i'm on my way i'm slowly coming out of the lot and i see Green Dragons escorting a bunch of hostages directly in front of me. I'm immediately held up and told to get out of the car which i comply to and i am then escorted to the church. Once there some RP goes by and we get stripped of all guns,backpacks,and vests. I then ask why they are doing this to me and everyone else. I do ask at least for my car . Their literal response is for taking me hostage and everyone else was gear itself. Yes there was some RP with @MrBowTie, I was forced to beat him at 14:35 but other then that i had my time wasted just to sit in a church with my hands up. Just to be asked what my name was and i was demanded to supply them guns.

Time stamps for the reasons are 4:30 and 10:25

Edited by Kirby-KP

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Elliot POV: Sorry there is a lot of reports on this one incident, but here goes nothing. Once we were in the church we had every hostage drop their guns and vests and moved the vests to a place away from their reach. We RP'd with them and demanded things from them and took only wut we needed for allies around and other things, we left for the hostages. Also as far as I know, we dont need to leave you with a gun or a vest, just with a means of defense against the infected, and to leave you with enough food and water to survive. Also proper RP was given to you and the rest of the hostages, and the car was taken by a random person in town.  Sorry but honestly this seems like an OOC driven false report on both me and the rest of the Green Dragons.

Edited by Lego
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Connection Logs

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00:21:28 | Player "Yuri Petrov" is connected
- KILLED -
03:13:06 | Player "Yuri Petrov" has been disconnected

00:11:12 | Player "Flynn Ryder" is connected
03:40:19 | Player "Flynn Ryder" has been disconnected

02:33:26 | Player "Hector Garcia" is connected
03:48:04 | Player "Hector Garcia" has been disconnected

00:03:39 | Player "Jay Wong" is connected
03:38:33 | Player "Jay Wong" has been disconnected

00:36:17 | Player "Elliot Henry" is connected
- Server Crash -

01:53:20 | Player "Michael Lambert" is connected
- KILLED -
03:27:46 | Player "Michael Lambert" has been disconnected

22:54:11 | Player "Vyacheslav Jaska" is connected
- KILLED -
03:30:11 | Player "Vyacheslav Jaska" has been disconnected

00:51:26 | Player "Kirby Hammer" is connected
03:52:12 | Player "Kirby Hammer" has been disconnected

 

Hit Logs 

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03:02:11 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into Torso with MeleeFist_Heavy
03:02:12 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into LeftLeg with MeleeFist_Heavy
03:02:13 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into RightLeg with MeleeFist_Heavy
03:02:14 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into Torso with MeleeFist_Heavy
03:02:15 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into  with MeleeFist
03:02:16 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into RightArm with MeleeFist
03:02:17 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into RightArm with MeleeFist
03:02:18 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into Torso with MeleeFist
03:02:18 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into RightArm with MeleeFist
03:02:19 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into Torso with MeleeFist
03:02:19 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into RightArm with MeleeFist
03:02:20 | Player "Flynn Ryder" is unconscious
03:02:20 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into RightArm with MeleeFist
03:02:20 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into RightArm with MeleeFist
03:02:21 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into RightArm with MeleeFist
03:03:13 | Player "Flynn Ryder" regained consciousness
03:07:09 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Hector Garcia" into RightLeg with Bullet_556x45 from 1.48435 meters 
03:09:04 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" into Head with MeleeFist_Heavy
03:09:05 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Yuri Petrov" into Torso with MeleeFist
03:09:05 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" into Head with MeleeFist_Heavy
03:09:06 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Michael Lambert" into Brain with MeleeFist
03:09:06 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Yuri Petrov" into RightLeg with MeleeFist
03:09:06 | Player "Yuri Petrov" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" into LeftHand with MeleeFist_Heavy
03:09:06 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Michael Lambert" into RightArm with MeleeFist
03:09:07 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" into LeftHand with MeleeFist_Heavy
03:09:07 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Michael Lambert" into Head with MeleeFist
03:09:08 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" into RightArm with MeleeFist_Heavy
03:09:08 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Michael Lambert" into Head with MeleeFist
03:09:09 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Yuri Petrov" into RightHand with MeleeFist
03:09:09 | Player "Kirby Hammer" hit by Player "Michael Lambert" into Torso with MeleeFist
03:09:09 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" into Torso with MeleeFist_Heavy
03:09:09 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Michael Lambert" into RightArm with MeleeFist
03:09:10 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Michael Lambert" into LeftHand with MeleeFist
03:09:10 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Yuri Petrov" into LeftLeg with MeleeFist
03:09:10 | Player "Flynn Ryder" is unconscious
03:09:11 | Player "Michael Lambert" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" into Head with MeleeFist
03:09:11 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Michael Lambert" into Head with MeleeFist
03:09:11 | Player "Flynn Ryder" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" into RightHand with MeleeFist
03:10:01 | Player "Flynn Ryder" regained consciousness

 

Kill Logs

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03:12:00 | Player "Yuri Petrov" killed by Player "Elliot Henry" with AWM
03:27:20 | Player "Vyacheslav Jaska" killed by Player "Michael Lambert" with M4-A1
03:27:27 | Player "Michael Lambert" killed by Player "Elliot Henry" with AWM

 

Chat Logs

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03:00:27 | Chat("Kirby Hammer"): //same with him let me check for extra weapons
03:00:29 | Chat("Elliot Henry"): *pats down for radio and concealed weapon and takes them*
03:00:30 | Chat("Hector Garcia"): *pats down anything hidden like radios or weapons* // do I find anything
03:00:51 | Chat("Yuri Petrov"): // I got a radio and knife actually - police guy
03:00:58 | Chat("Elliot Henry"): //drop it
03:01:15 | Chat("Yuri Petrov"): // ok I dont have a radio lol
03:01:25 | Chat("Elliot Henry"): //u good
03:02:46 | Chat("Jay Wong"): Who are these people
03:02:57 | Chat("Jay Wong"): Both of you.
03:03:10 | Chat("Jay Wong"): Who are you.
03:03:18 | Chat("Jay Wong"): Speak up!
03:03:28 | Chat("Jay Wong"): Follow me
03:03:34 | Chat("Jay Wong"): Sit there
03:03:56 | Chat("Jay Wong"): Rest
03:04:08 | Chat("Jay Wong"): You'll be released soon okay
03:07:51 | Chat("Hector Garcia"): // i cant tell if you are bleeding or not and I cant bandage you

 

 

@Lego please list any allies you had in this situation that I didn't yet mention below.

Calling in the following people for their full and detailed POV's

@Wong - Jay Wong - POSTED

@Lego - Elliot Henry - POSTED

@MrBowTie - Flynn Ryder

@YungBrandonRP - Hector Garcia - POSTED

@Kirby-KP - Kirby Hammer - POSTED

@Rapid Steve - Yuri Petrov - POSTED

@Twizzler - Michael Lambert

@Real Vegas - Vyacheslav Jaska

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Posted (edited)

Was running from Stary the guys initiated on the group I walk into church separate the people we know them they’re gonna be okay then go AFK through the whole situation due to irl situation. As you can see I sit in the corner. 

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POV: https://plays.tv/video/5c848dc5f32acb79f2/full-hostage-situation I'll leave it up to @Kirby-KP to mention the timestamps he deem significant.

Written POV. I was going into Stary with some other survivors, where we bump into a trader and chat for a minute. Then a man with a green armband comes up and tells us to put one hand up and run to the church. We all do this, we bump into a man in his car, he's taken too. Once we get into the church a few of us ask why they're doing this and (4:38) where they say it's just cuz they want our shit "why else?" the rp continues until we're eventually let go (after Im beaten to uncon twice).

Edited by MrBowTie

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@MrBowTie We still require a written POV from you.

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I drop the yeet on these kids in stary and take them to church. I rp with the hostages asking for names/affiliations. This motorcycle helmet guy told me goggles or something like that killed kaya so I beat the shit out of him. Than I tell the hostages to jump him. I give the hostages the task of giving me information and supplies by next week. Yeah I told the kid I was robbing them for their supplies. Would you like a full speech next time on why youre getting robbed?

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I was trying to RP with some people we ran into only to be told to put our hands up, what followed was us being told to go to the church, stand around for a few minutes, asked our names, forced to beat @MrBowTie or get shot. In all honesty not much was really said or done other than the fact they held us in the church and ordered us to beat someone. We were then told that we would go find guns for them, spy for them which was when I had enough and told them I don't take orders. The response was I was shot in the face immediately without having any warnings etc prior.

In all honesty I think I speak for everyone when I say people are sick of the gear RP thats been going on. I don't think and saying "oh and you have to work for us" at the end excuses the fact that its blatant GearRP
Furthermore I would like to add they took literally everything. Taking gear you need/want is one thing but its the fact they had the cheek to take stuff they literally had no use for, even destroying someone car. I don't know just seems like a really low thing to do, as if the fact you're being robbed isn't bad enough.
From what I've heard from lots of other people and from what I've experience its almost as if everyone outside the group (Green Dragons and Allies) is basically subjected to being robbed, no questions asked. If you aren't buddy with them then you're on the chopping block and that isn't very fun.

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POV: Not much to add as I wasn't really involved at all, I hear brandons taking these people hostage so I go and keep watch incase they had any friends in the area, ever only going into the church once or twice to grab a gun for one of our guys who was a freshie.  As for the car we didn't wreck it at as we handed it off to a random guy so if it was wrecked we had nothing to do with it.

Edited by Real Vegas
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POV: I was walking into Stary with some friends on the road when a member of the Green Dragons ran up to us and told us to put up our hands so I complied. He then told all of us to start walking towards the church and along the way, he told another man in a car to get out with his hands up and come with the rest of us. Once we got into the church they demanded we go up to the altar and drop all of our backpacks, vests, and guns. After that was completed we were told to step down onto the stairs, which they quickly changed to off the stairs completely. After this, they started to interrogate us and ask us our names, and one of the hostages asked why they were robbing this and doing this to us. The man who initiated on us then told us that it was for our gear and other stuff that they needed. After this, there was an altercation between the Green Dragons and one of the hostages, @MrBowTie , where they had the other hostages jump him and knock him unconscious. After this, there was a bit more interrogation and demands that we all bring them guns in a week. After this, we were released from the church and told to run out of town.

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Let me drop this "yeet" on these "kids" 

https://plays.tv/video/5c7f3e5536f3bbd4e9/goggles-prison-break 

In this video no one survived that saw that I killed Kaya as Goggles. As well there were four hostiles in the building, anyone of them could have killed Kaya.

https://plays.tv/video/5c848dc5f32acb79f2/full-hostage-situation

(at 6:20) Goggles is accused of killing Kaya. "That's a lie" Which is straight Meta-Gaming. I didn't execute anyone, she was gunned down. How would anyone know that it was me EXACTLY. There were four hostiles in the police station (prison break). All hostiles die, and the green dragon survivors are left to figure out who died. There is no way for them to deduce that Goggles is the one that "executed" Kaya, a little suspicious to me.

I would also like to request who ever this motor cycle helmet guy is to post their POV, because it seems rather obvious he's with them as him and a woman are set aside. (2:50) "You two are nice"

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Verdict

@Kirby-KP | False Report | Guilty
@Lego & Allies | Gear RP | Not Guilty

Recap

The green dragons take a significant amount of people captive in the church in Stary. They are being robbed for their supplies and are given approximately 20 minutes of hostage RP.

The staff team has reviewed this report and have come to the conclusion that no Gear RP occurred. Let me explain why.

@Kirby-KP@MrBowTie@Rapid Steve The green dragons are a hostile group. Hostile groups usually rob people for their supplies and that is completely acceptable. The world we roleplay in has gone to hell. People are killing each other. They need guns in order to keep their groups alive and to defend themselves. In a wasteland like this, robbing and torturing is a day to day normality for most people. In this situation, they state that they wanted your Gear.

Robbing someone for their Gear is allowed and completely fine as long as sufficient roleplay is delivered in the situation.
Gear RP is usually only punished when the initiators provide no RP whilst the robbery is purely gear driven and usually only lasts between 30 seconds to a couple minutes. This however is a case by case scenario and will be treated as such, depending on how much RP was given and how long it lasted. It also won't be punished as Gear RP but instead as Bad RP.

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As I mentioned, in this scenario you were given a good amount of roleplay. No rules were broken.

The staff team believes that this report was only created out of spite for the OP and his friends being robbed. The OP will therefore receive a punishment for false report, as no rules were broken, sufficient amount of RP was given, and the overall attitude in the report seemed to go against hostile RP in general. Everything stated supports the claims that this report was only created to get a group of decent hostile RP'ers banned, when they essentially provided you with 20 minutes of character development.

For future reference, I suggest all of you take a good look at the following rule and please consider a rule break situation before placing a report out of pure anger.

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With the above said, the following applies

Outcome

@Kirby-KP | False Report | 7 Day Ban, 10 Warning Points
@Lego & Allies | Gear RP | No actions taken
 

Signed by @Phoenix & @JimRP with notes

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