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S1 - Invalid Execution/BadRP - 2019-03-10, 04:00

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Server and location: S1- Stary Sobor

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME):  2019-03-10, 04:00

Your in game name: Yuri Petrov

Names of allies involved: @MrBowTie

Name of suspect/s: Green Dragons - Logs will show.

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): https://plays.tv/video/5c8488051de6bc0124/f?from=user - I am the one in the police outfit.

Detailed description of the event: Myself and other random people were taken hostage by the Green Dragons. This report is not specif to them as a group but more towards the individual who killed me. I feel that the RP was ok up until the incident happened. My character isn't going to bow down to a bunch of gangsters when he is a veteran of the military and a police officer. I had enough of the unrealistic demands and stated that I am not going to comply with that.
At this point I actually believe that the man giving the orders was going to continue RP, I expected him to continue RP by intimidating me, beating me into submission, trying to "change" my mind otherwise but there was no attempt to further RP. You can actually see him putting his gun away as he looks at me but before he can react I am shot in the face. There was still lots of RP that could be had here and it seemed like the individual was fishing for a reason to shoot people.
Overall, there was many things that could have been done to further the roleplay rather than just being boring and executing me without saying a word.

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I was taken with @Rapid Steve and a few other survivors by the Green Dragons. As RP continued and began to wind down and we were going to be let go, the leader of the group started to make his demands for us, to gather information and gear for them. Yuri (@Rapid Steve) refused the demands then was immediately shot without hesitation or discussion, sending him to the coast and ruining an entire RP session.

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Server and location: S1 Stary Sobor

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2019-03-10 04:00

Your in game name: Elliot Henry

Names of allies involved: Green Dragons

Name of suspect/s: @Rapid Steve (Yuri Petrov)

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): https://plays.tv/video/5c8488051de6bc0124/f?from=user he is the one in the police uniform

Detailed description of the events: Elliot Henry hears over the radio that there is a group of people in Stary Sobor near the grocery store with a car. One of Elliot's homies state that they are fixing to rob them. Elliot runs over and takes his armband off so he can blend in with the crowd of hostages with his hands up, and is escorted to the church. Once inside the church, the hostages are instructed to put their guns and vests down in order from left to right from the entrance of the church. The hostages comply and Elliot puts his hand down and slaps on his armband and joins his boys. Elliot then walks over to Yuri Petrov the super cop and demands that he do like everyone else. Yuri states multiple times that his vest is of no use to Elliot, and Elliot in return states "There aint no fucking special treatment! Put your gun and fucking vest down motherfucker!" The man does as he is told and the hostages are escorted off of the podium. The group exchanges a bunch of back and forth and Mr. Goggles (MrBowTie) ends up creeping Elliot and some others out so they have the other hostages gang up on him and beat him down to teach him a lesson. Afterwards, The lead hostage taker sets out a list of demands for the hostages, and most agree except for Mr. Yuri. In order to set an example, Elliot shoots him in the face, being offended by the obvious lack of care for foreign people by the police officer, and to make sure the rest of the hostages get the message. After the shooting, Elliot double checks that the rest of the hostages get the memo on what they need to do, and the group sets them free. Yuri talked back multiple times in which i said twice to stop looking at me and shut the fuck up and another time that he would do as the other hostages would do and drop his shit. Sorry for killing Mr. Yuri but in my honest opinion, he didn't seem to care for the hostile RP and seemed way to eager to talk back to about 5 fully armed guys staring him down.

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Firstly I never actually "spoke back" to you or anyone, I only ever asked you and the others to settle down after being overly aggressive. I never once misjudged my situation, I was never aggressive to anyone. I don't think you can say being told to not look at someone was talking back either. The only times I really spoke was when I asked the hostage taker to clarify something and my request to keep a vest that you had no use for.
I was never warned for talking back as you put it and the one time I actually did talk back in a defensive manor I was immediately shot. I have one simple question: "Did you have to shoot me, could you have extended the RP?"
I feel that you are trying to portray me as if I was being rude and aggressive when I just wasn't. This seems like a false report only meant as a counter measure to my own report.
I think that ordering people to be little spies and workers for you and expecting them to comply regardless of the threat is a bit ridiculous especially since the character I was roleplaying was a veteran of the Red Army and a long time Riot Police Officer. My character would not just bow down to some gangster like that. Maybe I would have been swayed? But we'll never know since you took it upon yourself to shoot me without saying anything and ending the RP.

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2 minutes ago, Rapid Steve said:

 I have one simple question: "Did you have to shoot me, could you have extended the RP?"
 

There is always room to extend the RP, but with the way you answered the man giving the orders just seemed down right unnecesary and you went out of your way to call him multiple derogatory terms, which doesn't really strike me as a very "veteran" thing to come from a riot officer, which if you insist is just that would probably, no matter if we are "foreigners" or not, value his life in the hands of armed strangers shouting at him and not go on a limb and yell out insults to the men. Finally I will just state that I have been in this community for a while and I am simply tired of hostages thinking that just because the rules state that the hostage takers have to keep them safe and unharmed means that they can do whatever they want, as long as they tip -toe the boundaries of talking back and being non-compliant. Yes, you are 100% right as well that looking at me wasn't disobeying me or being "rude" but I personally told you to shut up twice and I guess it may just be your character, but you seemed hella on edge and not very "professional" for a police officer as you stated above. Will not be posting anymore unless instructed to do so by staff. 

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3 minutes ago, Lego said:

but you seemed hella on edge and not very "professional" for a police officer as you stated above. Will not be posting anymore unless instructed to do so by staff. 

I mean I only ever spoke a few times and was generally just trying to defuse it by asking you all to calm down instead of being overly aggressive despite the fact we were all complying. I can take that but there's a limit and I think expecting everyone to just do as you say is a bit of a joke. You can't just say "he didn't value his life" every time someone refuses to do something absurd. I was 100% compliant and trying to defuse what I could up until you guys crossed a line where it gets to the point where your demands directly conflict the nature of my character.

But you're right. We'll let the staff decide.

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I'd like to close this report please. I've thought it out and all of this back and forth with reports is no good for anyone sorry. I'd like to formally apologize to Mr. Red Steve for the lack of RP that was given to him and also hope you understand that I definitely jumped the gun with shooting you brother. I hope you understand.

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Considering this is a counter-report and the original report is still up I will /merge this with the original. @Lego next time you want to counter-report someone please do it by saying so in the original report instead of creating a new report and then asking for it to be closed only 3 hours later.

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Wongs PoV 

Was running from Stary the guys initiated on the group I walk into church separate the people we know tell them they’re gonna be okay then go AFK through the whole situation due to irl situation. As you can see I sit in the corner

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Additional Statement: Due to Yuri Petrov being a member of The Freemen, I'd like to point out that I was present when said Goggles executed Ms. Kaya, a member of The Green Dragons, and that Yuri along with the rest of the Freemen had been apart of multiple firefights against both The Green Dragons and my character Elliot, an active green Dragon member, so in theory I had full rights to execute Mr. Yuri Petrov, so the invalid execution accusation is no longer valid if my understandings of the Official groups execution rules is correct. Sorry for the late post, my mind has been in a mess for the last few days with IRL issues. Will not post any further unless instructed to do so.

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Goggles was not a part of the Freemen when he killed Kaya, Goggles is not a member of the Freemen. Yuri was not present in the police station when Kaya was even killed, if you were present I believe I even killed you too (brown leather hat I believe?) therefor not having memory of her death from that specific event. "In theory" You killed him after demands were made to him and he refused, this is just scrambling to try and find a way to wiggle out of an invalid execution. If you had role played out executing him as a member of the Freemen for his fellows killing Kaya that would have been fine. The only reason you know the character "Yuri Petrov" is a Freemen is because we're on the forums and you see it next to his name. In the church we're asked to gather information on the very group his character is a member of, if you knew this in character you would have tortured him and gotten information you wanted, but you didn't. This execution had nothing to do with the death of Kaya. Yuri was killed in the middle of a hostage roleplay situation. You had no clue Yuri was a member of the Freemen. If you should have executed anyone for the death of Kaya it should have been Goggles, not Yuri. 

I'm sorry you've been having IRL issues. I hope everythings works out. 

I as well will not be posting anymore on this report thread unless instructed to.

Edit: I also have a video of Kaya's death, anyone there that would have witnessed it died, the Freemen were never mentioned through out the situation either. Any information that the Freemen killed Kaya is metagaming.

Edited by MrBowTie

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Sorry @MrBowTie i must not have been clear on what I meant by Goggles executing Ms. Kaya. I simply meant that I was present there and was informed that you (Goggles) gunned Kaya down causing her to permadeath her character unfortunately, and I gunned down three Freemen for her death and escaped with the rest of our surviving members, but alas that isn't really a big focal point of what I was trying to point out, thank you. I simply am pointing out that Yuri is in fact a part of The Freemen and I as Elliot am well aware of who the members of The Freemen are seeming as I was part of a little thing called S.O.S. and in fact was present in The Freemens' GM compound multiple times and was well aware of most members if not all from countless encounters, let alone firefights when Elliot ditched the failed attempts of peace that the S.O.S. were trying to accomplish by signing the treaty with the Freemen, and I understand that I didn't point out Yuri for being in The Freemen, but I indeed did notice him as being an affiliate of the group both when they were out and about or in their controlled areas, so in part he was executed. I wouldn't go as far as to say that I am grasping at anything buddy, only simply adding "additional" information. 

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Being aware of the members of The Freemen are and being aware of the members that are involved in hostile actions are two different things.

4.6 If you successfully capture a player through a hostile action and then take him into your custody, he is now considered your hostage. You must do everything in your power to keep your hostages alive and in a relatively good health. That includes protecting them from external threats like zombies and leaving them with a realistic chance of survival when they are released. A character that is taken hostage may be executed once for a hostile incident that happened in the past where the hostage was PERSONALLY responsible for, or PARTICIPATED in a death of your ally....

Guilty by association is not part of the rules. Yuri was not involved in the situation in the police station, nor has he been involved in any firefight with The Freemen up until today.

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So you saying that during the countless firefights, and raids on the Freemens' bases, Yuri was not involved in a single altercation? I find that hard to believe my boii, sorry but honestly it seems like your just trying to defend your friend at this point, and I am sorry for that my guy. Have a good night. (I am absolutely done with the back-and-forth so if that's all it's going to be, I'd appreciate if we didn't clutter the report with needless posts and let the staff work this thing out, thank you.)

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As staff does not take word v. word. I would like to request you post any evidence that Yuri was part of any of these altercations you claim he was in. Yuri lives in a different time zone, and wasn't active in any of the firefight or raids on the Freemans' base. Sorry to burst your bubble "boii". Sleep well.

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Wong POV: We take a group of people hostage and they are escorted to the church where they're questioned about different types of things. Brandon then gives the hostages including the OP a demand "You work for me now you will give me information on the freeman, you will also give me guns and plate carriers in a weeks time or I'LL KILL EVERY ONE OF YOU" (Not a direct quote but it's there to see in the video evidence) The OP turns round and says "Yuri Petrov does not take orders from foreign scum like yourself you fucking dog pig" So Lego shot him. He wasn't going to listen to us and wasn't going to comply with the demands made by the US, we even said if they didn't deliver they would be killed. So he was made an example out of. 

Lets be honest here in no realistic world would someone turn round and insult people who are robbing them and tell them he won't listen to them. This could of all been avoided if he just agreed even if he had no intentions on keeping it. I would say this is on the verge of NVFL as the OP was already threatened to be killed if he never followed the demands and still felt it was necessary to basically tell us to go fuck ourselves. 

 

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  • Rule 4.6
  • Hostages do not comply with your demands after repeated requests or try to escape.
  • Hostages do not value their life, for example they repeatedly talk back or insult you despite being told to stop.

One warning does not give you the excuse to shoot someone when they step out of line ONCE. Yuri tried to further roleplay by disagreeing, the roleplay could have been furthered with beatings or other intimidation tactics. He had value for his life through out and simply voiced his characters opinion to further roleplay, which didn't happen. Also weren't you AFK throughout the entire situation? 

Side note as this was looked over in the other report; (@Bounty @MotorCycleHelmetGuy)

https://plays.tv/video/5c7f3e5536f3bbd4e9/goggles-prison-break

In this video no one survived that saw that I killed Kaya as Goggles. As well there were four hostiles in the building, anyone of them could have killed Kaya.

https://plays.tv/video/5c848dc5f32acb79f2/full-hostage-situation

(at 6:20) Goggles is accused of killing Kaya. "That's a lie" Which is straight Meta-Gaming. I didn't execute anyone, she was gunned down. How would anyone know that it was me EXACTLY. There were four hostiles in the police station (prison break). All hostiles die, and the green dragon survivors are left to figure out who died. There is no way for them to deduce that Goggles is the one that "executed" Kaya, a little suspicious to me.

I would also like to request who ever this motor cycle helmet guy is to post their POV, because it seems rather obvious he's with them as him and a woman are set aside. (2:50) "You two are nice"

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I was AFK but I was still there and can post my POV. Don't worry lad I asked a staff member first. 

Further Roleplay? The demands was pretty clear, You give us the info/guns and plate and if you don't you die. He refused to agree to the demand so he was killed. We know it was Freeman who was involved in the Vybor attack, we know you was there. There was multiple survivors from our end who can back me up. 

Next time when threatened to be killed if you don't do something just agree to it don't shit talk back and expect after being threatened to be killed nothing to happen. 

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I don't know if I need to post this or what, however since I'm mentioned here, I think I should.

The situation where my character was killed during pvp ( unfortunately when I had to go afkish to take care of diabetes stuff ) and I decided to PK her? was discussed with you Mr.Bowtie and I think I apologized for not letting you know I chose to PK her ( for my own reasons ) initially. 

This being said, I simply told GD that I decided to pull Kaya and they were aware, but None of them knew the circumstances and knew that they couldn't do anything about it without in character knowledge..

 Unfortunately I'm going to have to point out, that the knowledge given to them during the scenario in the church, was relayed to them and they reacted  accordingly as it was enough to garner suspicion  - The Man in the motorcycle helmet is NOT a member of GD and simply someone I enjoyed RPing with and helping out. ( I was the Woman in the church. on my new character ) If anyone were to have stumbled on my body in the police station, especially if they were GD / pamyati or friends of the group, one could infer they'd understand I was a casualty and any survivors can verify -who- they fought against. 

I wouldn't consider this meta.. There's too many holes and people tend to talk and RP a great deal about what they see and experience in the server.. It'd be a he said / she said, but I'd be careful with that... 

I don't think it's necessary to address this at all, but I'll point something out here. When were your comms / radios returned to you in RP?( I'm aware BB had his comms.. but why did you have them? I saw no RP from BB returning one to you. )  You say your character isn't involved with the Freemen at all? then why were they attacking the police station? ( BB, confirmed Freeman, wasn't being held hostage... )  This isn't a jibe so much as to point out, there are alot of holes here.. from different perspectives people can claim meta, where as you might counter with this and this happened, but it wasn't observed. 

As far as being set aside by the GD during the interaction, we were simply because we'd already encountered, RPed with GD and knew one another /mostly/ on a first name basis.. even if they might have chosen to Rob us as well.. This is normal and it happens in RP...  

@Ram is the man in the helmet, perhaps he can elaborate more for you. 

 

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12 hours ago, Lego said:

Due to Yuri Petrov being a member of The Freemen

I've not been on for literally all the stuff that went down. It is not known by anyone that I am a freeman (I may was well not be) and my character doesn't even know what happened at any of these events really. All I am aware that the freemen are unpopular (for some reason I dont really know why) 

If you really find it hard to believe I wasn't at any fire fight then idk what to tell you buddy lmao. I've been with my girlfriend a lot and also designing a GMOD map a lot of the time and I don't "hop on" when theres a fight. I've never actually been in a gunfight on dayzrp.
Im sorry you don't believe me but how are you actually going to sit and and try to claim you were in the right, after literally admitting to your fault?

Edited by Rapid Steve

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https://imgur.com/vawaOLG

I'd just like to say that this alone is enough proof of wrong doing. Lego has accepted his wrong doing but is now backtracking because in their mind they now have the "new evidence" that I was a freeman and this somehow makes it justifiable. I have very bad news for you in this case. I was not on, and have not been on the server really at all until the day where this happened. This was my first day of coming back an playing the with "freeman" guys. Any GM or whatever can prove this with logs etc.
I just want to say again, not agreeing with a ridiculous demands which would force me to essentially break the nature character  is not "failing to value my life" there is a difference between sitting not giving a shit about being killed and being defiant to a gangster giving demands, wanting you to be a spy for them. I hope the staff team can see this difference too.

Bottom line you literally admitted fault, I really don't see how you can try to defend your actions after that.

Edited by Rapid Steve

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Lol, Your execution is valid seen as you told us to fuck ourselves after we told you "if you don't do this we'll kill you" I don't think you understand what I'm saying mate. Your character didn't have to go through with it but turning round and saying No after we said we'd kill you if you didn't is enough for us to say oh well and kill you on the spot if you don't want to cooperate. Next time just agree to it then not do it at least you wont be shit talking people who have you hostage. 

Let me give you an example

"You have a week to get me a gun if you don't do this I'll kill you"

Two replies two different outcomes

"Alright alright I'll do it just don't kill me" You would get released from there you don't have to follow the demands given and just go on with your life

"Fuck you dog pig I wont listen to you" Now you've done it, after being threatened to be killed if you didn't comply with the deal that was being made. Why would the captures let you go if you don't want to agree to the deal after being told if you didn't you'd be killed.

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You are trying to strong arm me into breaking my character and roleplaying a coward under fear of breaking the valuing of my life rule lets be honest.

Again, you are literally here defending someone who admitted that he could have furthered roleplay and killing me like that was premature and he didn't need to.
Like have you even read this report? Have you even read the things the accused has said here, publicly for all to see.

Im sorry but I think its really poor that people basically need to be forced to roleplay a coward out of fear of been seeing as a rulebreaker. 
Not valuing my life would have been abusing you from the get go and running or trying to fight. I complied with every demand up until you told me I had to be a little rat that collected weapons for you. Like Im sorry but Im not going to do that my character wouldn't roll over to someone like that. 
You could have:
-Beat me
-Took me somwhere else to RP with me
-Tortured me
-Got the other captives to jump (since thats what happened to bowtie)
-Literally anything that wasnt just shooting me.

I would like this back and forth to stop and would like to leave it up to the staff at this point.

Edited by Rapid Steve

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Alright, enough with the back and forth. Please refrain from posting on the report unless you have any new evidence to add to the report.

 

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Thank you all for your patience,
A team of staff members have reviewed this report, and we have come to the following conclusion regarding it.

 

Summary |

I'll start this by briefly summing up the situation at hand,

Rapid Steve and some other people are being robbed and taken hostage by the 'Green Dragons'. They're questioned about an individual named 'Goggles', who was responsible for the death of one of the 'Green Dragons', as well as stripped of their weapons. YungBrandon threatens the men, telling them that they must do something for them or they will be killed. When Rapid Seve is asked if he understands, he replies by insulting them and saying; "Yuri Petrov does not take orders from foreign scum like yourself, you fucking dog-pig", and is executed for insulting them.

 

Addressing the Rule-breaks |

@Rapid Steve, you were in a life-threatening situation, but instead of behaving as such, you decided to insult your hostage takers by calling them; "Foreign scum" and "Fucking dog-pigs". You were executed because you did not value your characters life, but instead acted fearlessly and decided to insult your hostage-takers whilst being in a life-threatening situation and even threatened with death.

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Hostages may only be executed in the following scenarios:

  • Hostages do not comply with your demands after repeated requests or try to escape.
  • Hostages pose a direct threat to you or your group, for example by picking up a weapon when not allowed to.
  • Hostages do not value their life, for example they repeatedly talk back or insult you despite being told to stop.
  • Approved group of the hostage refuses to negotiate or opens fire on hostage takers.
  • Demands from negotiations with approved group of the hostage have not been met after a reasonable time has elapsed.

 

In the future, we'd like to ask you to behave and react realistically to a situation that you are in. If you are threatened with death, you should value your characters life and behave accordingly, instead of acting fearless and insulting them. You were un-armed, taken hostage, and held at gunpoint. In a real-life scenario, where there is no rule preventing someone from being killed, they could've killed you at any second if they felt like it. You should behave as such in a situation like this, fearing that you might be killed and following their demands to ensure your survival instead of acting fearless and insulting your hostage takers.

 

Outcome |

@Lego | Invalid Execution | Not Guilty - No Actions Taken

@Rapid Steve | No Value for Life | Guilty - 3 Day Ban, 10 Warning Points & Character Perma-Killed.

 

Signed | @Banshee, @lukaszxe, @RandyRP & @Zilly

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