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15 hours ago, Shnitz said:

So, since you guys didn't like my last bit of feedback (which let's be fair, can't exactly be definted as "feedback" 100%), I'll give my best to be constructive here and give some valid feedback. Now I know that having a quite lore-influencial group like yours is demanding and certainly not easy to pull off perfectly but I think some suggestions could maybe help in the longrun. So here goes, taking it from the top and starting with the introduction video:

  • Perhaps having a PVP and hostage taking montage might turn people away at first glance and give a bad first impression to some others who just want to see what the group is about (myself included). It makes it seem like the group is hardly about anything but that. Now I'm not saying that you should remove the video as whole or spend more time making a new one. After all, what you do is up to you. Having scenes in where you can hear one of your men say things along the lines of, and I quote in order of appearance:

    "There's only one of you or none of you walking out of here alive today, do you understand me?"
    "I'm pretty sure that both of you are nationalists and frankly I don't care if I'm wrong."
    "There is two ways that this ends, right? The first way... is with the Chernaruski scum in there dead. The second way is with the Chernaruski scum and the UN scum dead."


    Now I'm well aware of the fact that this was all IC scare tactics and wouldn't actually be acted on since it would conflict with the rules as we all know. After all, the first two quotes were from a hostage situation where the two hostages in question complied (at least from what was shown in the part in question) and the last one was taken from more or less peaceful negotiations with a UN squad. Regardless, even if you'd never do something as said, it still gives people a very bad first impression and idea on what the group is about. The focus is on preparing a Russian takeover of the country, not killing and torturing nationalists, locals and UN staff, even if that may be inevitable in the process of doing so. However, you're in the video you're turning the spotlight on exactly those things which can lead to some basic misunderstandings of what the group does from day to day.

    And a last little nitpicky thing I'd like to mention is the inclusion of the clip after the logo appears in the end. It shows that you guys are laid back OOCly and that's a good thing but maybe let people see that for themselves once they join the group. Sure, it might be a big plus to have that as a promotional thing but it does seem a little unprofessional amidts this video with a rather serious undertone. If it was made to break up that monotony though, all power to you.

As for the lore I can only congratulate you folks. Thouroughly structured, neat graphics, quite in depth but not unnecesarilly long and boring. One thing you could improve might be the formating itself which, for such a long wall of text, might be not ideal to be using centered text. The eye can have a bad time going back to find the right part in the text where it should continue. But obviously I get that it looks prettier so whichever you think is the better option.

When we come to the goals section, I find it interesting that you split things up into 3 sections. Not something you see every day but certainly not bad. It gives a bigger structure to things. Thumbs up from me. As for the goals themselves though, and we both know this is what I "critisised" last time, it really does make it seem like what you showed in the video is actually what one will be doing most of the time should they decide to join. So let's go through of them step by step.
 

  • "Successfully infiltrate South Zagoria and make contact with local SVR cells."
    - There is nothing to say about this, this seems to just be your kickoff goal and give a start to it all.
     
  • "Stash a stockpile of firearms/rations/ammunition/supplies for the battles to come."
    - This is one of the points I have most problems with. Sure, I understand that realistically as a paramilitary group working for the Russian Federation, you need weapons and supplies. However, to have that as a fixed goal might lead people to believe you're all about loot and not the RP (again, myself included). Furthermore, the ending with "[...] for the battles to come." strongly suggests that there will be a lot of PVP if that goal was only part of phase 1 of 3, spanning over 100 days. Now since this goal had already been marked as completed, I suppose it was supposed to be taken more as an event where the entire group went out to look for supplies that one day. However, even if, it still gives people a bad impression.
     
  • "Gather preliminary intelligence on local groups and persons of interest."
    - Having locals and anyone living in the area you'll be operating in for the next third of a year is crutial. Good goal. If it were me, I'd leave it as an indefinite goal almost.
     
  • "Form the PAMYATI Remembrance Brigade as a front for SVR operations in South Zagoria."
    - Working in secrecy behind a different organisation. Good goal, very clever.
     
  • "Recruit at least a dozen local Russians and foreign mercenaries to serve in the Brigade."
    - Recruiting more men through already existing local militia. Smart move and a good way of ICly explaining the further recuritment. Also good goal.
     
  • "Successfully align PAMYATI to an existing faction and use it to further our own goals."
    - I suppose this one is about making allies I assume? If so, standard goal. Nothing to say here, much like the kickoff goal.
     
  • "Assist the French Foreign Legion in establishing peace in the North."
    - Allied operations and a cross-group long term RP goal seems very interesting. Would have loved to see how that went. It does leave a lot of room for interesting encounters along the way, that's for sure.
     
  • "Rally citizens to the cause by pushing an agenda of Peace and Prosperity for all."
    - So now this expands the recruitment process which also lets in people who originally weren't already Russian supporting militia and locals. Again, clever way of expanding the ranks.
     
  • "Destroy any major holdout states not aligned to our goals, and assassinate HVTs opposing our plans."
    - Again, we come to a point which I have a problem with. Since this is in the last phase of the group goals, it seems that for the rest of this group being alive, this is what the agenda seems to be. Seek out people who are agains the cause and kill them. At least that's what I'm gathering from this, especially first time looking at this.
     
  • "Declare South Zagorian independence, and assist the subsequent Russian takeover of the new republic."
    - The ending lore goal, essentially. Very nice. If followed through with, I'm sure things would be very different ICly. Or maybe even the end of the current lore... Regardless, very interesting. I'd love to see how it'll end up.
     
  • "Further the Russian Federation's interests in South Zagoria through covert and even direct action."
    - And a conclusive goal to end it on to continue working for the Russian government to make the group stay up when all goals are essentially finished. I'd suggest, if it comes to it, making a new section on the page with some actively updated short term goals to let people know what's up.

And yeah, that concludes basically everything. I'm sure no one actually sat through everything I wrote because that would be pretty wild but on the offchance you did, thank you first off all and I hope this might help at all. I'm well aware that not everything can just be done from one day to the other but if at least it serves as a kind of inital improvement thoughts kickoff, then I'm glad regardless. Peace!

We appreciate the feedback and the time you took, however this is our group and the way we like running it, it isn't meant to attract everyone. Most of what you mentioned is standard goals and I'm not sure but I think we are one of few groups actually focusing on all our goals. That being said thanks for the feedback again and have a great day.

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Hello, 

Amalya, Jamie024, Queerios & RinnyThePooh have not been in game for 22 days or above now. Also, Timelapses is still on your roster even though he is banned. Please remove them from your roster until they can be active again. Thank you!

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22 hours ago, DrMax said:

-SNIP-

New PC arrives Wednesday, the group knows about this, so I'll be back active then. My inactivity is through no fault of my own, just unfortunate PC issues.

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Group activity check

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Please get in touch with @Amalya, @Director Keller, and @Mike-Stylesto ensure they want to remain on the roster. As @TIMELAPSE was just unbanned today there is no reason to contact him. Edit: removed Queerios from the list as well. 

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1 hour ago, Zanaan said:

-SNIP-

Please refer to the reply above your comment. 

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5 hours ago, Zanaan said:

Group activity check

pamyati.jpg

 

Please get in touch with @Amalya, @Director Keller, and @Mike-Stylesto ensure they want to remain on the roster. As @TIMELAPSE was just unbanned today there is no reason to contact him. Edit: removed Queerios from the list as well. 

I do wish to remain on the roster, I have some personal things going on right now but should be back in the very near future I apologize for my lack of attendance.

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On 3/12/2019 at 10:30 AM, Zanaan said:

Group activity check

pamyati.jpg

 

Please get in touch with @Amalya, @Director Keller, and @Mike-Stylesto ensure they want to remain on the roster. As @TIMELAPSE was just unbanned today there is no reason to contact him. Edit: removed Queerios from the list as well. 

yeah man I'm still a member 😉

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@Zanaan I wish to remain on roster too I just got a lot to deal with right now due moving out and so on. I barelly got time to be active now untill things get settled back down.

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Take this feedback as you want to, but know I am not flaming and  this is general curiosity. 

What is the point of this group still being up. What goals are you guys still trying to accomplish? It seems like literally all you guys are are meat shields that follow around Green Dragons. Why would an SVR unit roll around with a bunch of local bandits, and basically be their dogs? I haven't seen you guys do anything on your own. Literally your men walk around with green armbands on. Ever since this group came out it has literally just been jumping from alliances to alliances. Not sure what joy you get from having huge alliances. Y'all can't do anything on your own? I really wanted to give this group a chance, I was really expecting some server changing things. With things Sylva PM'd me before making this Russian group I was really hoping we could get some exciting things rolling, but I guess not. 

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//Archived Upon Request

PM a Mod+ to bring the group back

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