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S1: Bad RP - 10/13/2018 11:XX PM (CEST)

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Server and location:  S1 - Near Novy Sobor

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 10/13/2018 11:XX PM (CEST)

Your in game name: Logan Coates

Names of allies involved: Daniel Gunnarssen (I think this is the correct spelling)

Name of suspect/s: Connor something

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any):  None 

Detailed description of the events: We met up with Connor, thinking he would be a good candidate for recruitment to a group we are planning on creating. But upon seeing how he acts, we decided to change our minds on this. We took his guns and lead him out into the forest, we found a little deer shed where we held him for a bit. During this time, Connor messages me on Discord saying I am not allowed to hold him up for revenge, even though we didn't do it for revenge. After hearing shots, and finding out he had a second radio, we moved him to a new position, during this walk Daniel asked "why did you have 2 radios?", which Connor never responded to, upon telling him "You fucking respond when we talk to you", he answered with "I dont wanna talk, I already tried talking to you guys". After reaching our destination, he continuously tabbed out never responding to us, where we had to almost everytime we gave him an order had to give him a 5 second countdown to get him to listen. The shots we heard earlier came closer, near the shack we were just at, Connor started puking making us scared as we thought he was metagaming and typing to a friend (shots came closer, he starts vomiting to slow us down), so I told Daniel to move Connor while I checked the shots out. Upon coming back we decided to move him once again to be safe, where he started puking on the ground again, we lead him to a pond where Daniel starts digging Connors grave, and I let Connor drink at the pond. I see a house that I decide to go to, where I get Daniel to bring Connor to (Daniel tells me OOC on Discord that Connor isn't doing anything, hes just sitting there being tabbed out or something). Upon reaching the house, I ask him if he got some diagnosis or something considering he doesn't seem to be paying attention to anything, where he says he has ADD, we torture him and knock him out and leave him with his food and near a water source.

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

* Let me first start off: I know I did 1 big thing wrong by saying that "I wanted to kill him", but I never did let my real life feelings affect the game, this was an OOC conversation with @Benjaminn.

Screenshot of Connor typing to me during the RP about us not being allowed to hold him up: 

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YouTube video, in my POV of the situation:

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YouTube video, in Daniel's POV of the situation:

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Edited by thegrowl
Added my POV vid

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Calling in @Benjaminn and @Sm1ley to post their full, detailed POV and provide any video evidence you may have.

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Additional Logs:

Hit Logs:

[2018/10/13 21:14:5]: (Connor Marlow) hit by  (Logan Coates) to Torso with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:14:6]: (Connor Marlow) hit by  (Logan Coates) to Torso with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:15:50]: (Connor Marlow) hit by  (Logan Coates) to Head with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:16:39]: (Connor Marlow) hit by  (Logan Coates) to RightArm with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:16:41]: (Connor Marlow) hit by  (Logan Coates) to RightLeg with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:16:42]: (Connor Marlow) hit by  (Logan Coates) to Torso with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:22:24]: (Connor Marlow) hit by  (Logan Coates) to LeftArm with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:24:9]: (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to LeftArm with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:26:35]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by  (Logan Coates) to Torso with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:29:47]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by a(n) Shovel
[2018/10/13 21:29:49]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by a(n) Shovel
[2018/10/13 21:32:17]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Daniel Gunnarsen) to RightArm with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:32:19]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Daniel Gunnarsen) to LeftArm with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:32:27]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Daniel Gunnarsen) to Head with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:28]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to RightArm with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:30]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to Torso with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:31]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to RightArm with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:32]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to RightArm with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:38]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to Head with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:39]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to Head with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:40]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to Head with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:41]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to Head with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:41]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to LeftArm with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:42]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to Head with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:43]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to Head with MeleeFist
[2018/10/13 21:35:44]:  (Connor Marlow) hit by (Logan Coates) to Head with MeleeFist

Connection Logs:

[2018/10/13 20:4:16]: (Logan Coates) connected
Server Restart
[2018/10/13 23:2:26]: (Logan Coates) connected
[2018/10/13 23:2:31]: (Logan Coates) disconnected
[2018/10/13 20:9:6]: (Daniel Gunnarsen) connected
[2018/10/13 23:7:27]: (Daniel Gunnarsen) disconnected

 

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I mean everything he said happened, i’m not gonna change the story, but i don’t think tabbing out was a big issue but it maybe was, i do not have any video evidence and i have nothing to prove here. When you do get the video from TheGrowl, use that.

Basically i met with them and they thought my actions was wrongdoings do i didn’t fit with them in characterly, they took me to a forest, going deeper and deeper in, they tortured me and stuff like that but i was also messaging Growl in discord asking him a thing, i kept tabbing out to see if he answered me. If it’s BadRP than i will ofcourse take my punishment.

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1 minute ago, Sm1ley said:

I mean everything he said happened, i’m not gonna change the story, but i don’t think tabbing out was a big issue but it maybe was, i do not have any video evidence and i have nothing to prove here. When you do get the video from TheGrowl, use that.

We still request a full POV from your side. Why did you continuously alt tab? 

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4 minutes ago, Sm1ley said:

i was also messaging Growl in discord asking him a thing

What thing were you asking him whilst in mid roleplay with him? 

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If you guys need more detail than that, i will get that tommorow. I just got off for tonight and i’m on my phone.

Answer to Jamie: We had a situation before this one. TheGrowl and Benjaminn had taken me and a girl hostage, i got the upperhand and they died. I survived and the girl survived, they asked me if i wanted to join a group with them. They made new characters and we talked in Discord Voip. I ran with them for a while and they thought my actions were wrongdoings in their characters eyes and decided to rob and torture me. I told TheGrowl in Discord that this was against the rules because i thought it was, i thought it was OOC salt and revenge for our previous situation. I notified him several times ingame text OOC to check Discord but he ignored it. I continuously tabbed to check if he responded and that is something i shouldn’t have done, i regret my mistake that i did here.

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Just now, Sm1ley said:

If you guys need more detail than that, i will get that tommorow. I just got off for tonight and i’m on my phone.

Just edit this reply with the answer to my question whenever convenient. Sleep well. 

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Me and growl decided to take sm1ley into the forest because we didn't feel like he fit our group. We took him west of stary sobor into the woods where we pointed our guns at him telling him to drop his guns and radio. He hesitated with dropping the gun even tho he had two guns aimed at his head. he kept asking "why?" every time we told him to drop it. he eventually did drop it. He quickly started standing alot in one place for a while, it looked like he kept tabbing out. We had to tell him several times in ooc chat to not tab out in the middle of rp. He would be very quiet and not answer us alot. When we were moving locations i asked him why he were hiding a radio from us and he just told me something like "I don't want to talk" He would tab out so often that it was completely imersion breaking. I told him if he did not listen to me when i spoke to him i would just end his life but he did not seem to care too much and kept tabbing out of the game. 

My video pov:

 

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I'd like to also add that Connor broke this rule:

  • 4.10 If you are searched for items by other players you must give away all items that are available on your character - you may not make items "imaginary", hidden in body cavities or have concealed weapons.

@Benjaminn searched him for radio, and he gave us a radio, hiding his 2nd radio from us. Afterwards  wefound out he did actually have another radio which will be shown on my video I am adding around tomorrow morning.

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Okay so here is my POV, i have some time to write before i’m going to sleep. It starts out with these guys asking me OOCly in discord if i want to join their ”group” and they make new characters and shit so i basically said yes and said i’ll join them. I meet them in Novy with a buddy. We go for a while looking for people to talk to or rob, after non of that happens we hear shots north of stary shortly after we arrive in stary. We go to check the shots out and find a dead body, i loot the body without remorse for ammo and supplies because what would the items on that person be good for the dead guy anyway. We start heading out of Stary and hear shots too do we go for the shots, as we do can’t locate the shooter we continue traveling. After a while in the woods, they pull their guns on me and pushes me a bunch of demands including drop your weapon, radio etc etc. They take my radio with a text action but i had 2 radios. I didn’t know if it was against the rules to keep the other so i kept the other but never used it. We travel around the woods for a while doing some stops, i type to thegrowl in discord because i didn’t know if it was against the rules that they did this, i thought it was OOC revenge, i RP fear and such but i tabbed out a lot to see if growl answered me. I even asked growl ingame text ooc to check discord but he ignored it. But all the tabbing was to check for a answer because i use do not disturb in discord as i’m part of many servers. I did wrong by tabbing out so much and i accept any punishment necessary. We keep traveling and take a few stops for different needs for example a drink, we get to a cabin were they torture me a bit both mentally and physically, my character vomits out of fear. They knock me out in here and leave me. I wouldn’t say i was RPing bad, i was just tabbing out a tad too much and also the radio thing was a misunderstanding as i didn’t know it was against the rules to keep one if you had 2 shoved deep in a big backpack.

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CA87BAB8-E6D7-430D-BA07-B2153862F232.jpegI cut out some conversation we had, this is just a part of the conversation that led me to ”join” them OOCly, we had a situation before were they had me hostage and i ended up getting the upperhand, taking them out. They made new characters and we played together until they made me another hostage situation.

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I'm a part of alot of servers aswell, theres alot of solutions for skipping alerts, such as the gif I attached.

I don't feel like that is an acceptable excuse, considering your earlier history from the hostage situation with you the day before, where your friend magically found us when we took your radio, we believed you were meta gaming and tabbing out to type to a friend or something. Plus there was a pretty big coincidence that there were shots coming closer and closer, even being at our latest position.

Regardless of what the reason of tabbing out was, we still lost immersion in that RP situation and had absolutely no fun at all. Me and Benjamin kept talking continuously after this event about how bad that was. And to add, in that other situation I mentioned, you also were quiet almost the entire situation, however that isn't a part of the report. But you must understand that you cannot just be robbed and be quiet 90% of the entire time.

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I never thought of that and i couldn’t do that in that moment, i had no channel muted i just had my discord muted, as i said that was my mistake and it was not intentional and the tabbing was unnecessary, also the past situation we had was not metagame. I told him before that i was closing in on stary clinic and i suddenly stopped responding to him so i guess he got suspicious but that is not within this situation, i just reffered to our last experience how we met.

Now let’s keep this on topic about this situation.

Also what am i supposed to say, usually information comes from torture, my character is usually not talking all the time, the radio thing was a mistake and the tabbing was to check if you responded and i shouldn’t have done that. I was never metagaming in the situation.

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1 hour ago, Sm1ley said:

I never thought of that and i couldn’t do that in that moment, i had no channel muted i just had my discord muted, as i said that was my mistake and it was not intentional and the tabbing was unnecessary, also the past situation we had was not metagame. I told him before that i was closing in on stary clinic and i suddenly stopped responding to him so i guess he got suspicious but that is not within this situation, i just reffered to our last experience how we met.

Now let’s keep this on topic about this situation.

Also what am i supposed to say, usually information comes from torture, my character is usually not talking all the time, the radio thing was a mistake and the tabbing was to check if you responded and i shouldn’t have done that. I was never metagaming in the situation.

There are no allegations that you metagamed, there *WERE* thoughts of us thinking you were metagaming the first half of the hostage situation.

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Okay, i understand that and it’s acceptable for you to think that.

I have posted my POV and admitted my fault, i shared my side of the story.

I’m not gonna post here anymore unless asked by an administrator, i know i made a mistake and i apologize so if a punishment is necessary, i will serve this punishment.

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@thegrowl

Could you explain exactly how he acted to not fit your group? Just want to get a full picture of the situation and the reasons behind it. Thanks.

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6 hours ago, Jamie said:

@thegrowl

Could you explain exactly how he acted to not fit your group? Just want to get a full picture of the situation and the reasons behind it. Thanks.

1. Our codeword to rob people were "do you have a banana?", he knew this and I told him that I initiate hold ups. Anyway he kept saying (roughly 10 times within 20 seconds) "BANANA, BANANa, BANANA" when we met someone. Basically this made us think he was a little too hyperactive for us, as he doesn't show to have any impulse control.

2. When we went to some shots we heard north of Stary Sober, we found a body. Connor's first thought was to loot it, not thinking tactically about anything.

Both of these reasons made us feel like he had no impulse control, and only had the goal to killing and robbing people.

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I need to answer this, there was two guys that were cocky in character so we were going to rob them, and when i said the code word a couple of times, growl changed his mind and said no. I looted the body because that’s my character and that’s how he reacts. If he sees a dead body, what is going thru his mind is basically ’’This guy is dead, he won’t be needing these items anymore’’ i found m4 ammo that i was gonna give to Growl.

But i just wanted to clear that up, it’s IC. Has nothing with my playstyle to do. The only mistake i did here was with the tabbing and radio thing and also overall nonsense, i was tired and it was late.

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1 minute ago, Sm1ley said:

I need to answer this, there was two guys that were cocky in character so we were going to rob them, and when i said the code word a couple of times, growl changed his mind and said no. I looted the body because that’s my character and that’s how he reacts. If he sees a dead body, what is going thru his mind is basically ’’This guy is dead, he won’t be needing these items anymore’’ i found m4 ammo that i was gonna give to Growl.

But i just wanted to clear that up, it’s IC. Has nothing with my playstyle to do. The only mistake i did here was with the tabbing and radio thing and also overall nonsense, i was tired and it was late.

1. I clearly said "when I ask for a banana", not when you did.

2. I don't care if you would've looted him, I care that you looted him the first thing you did. What if the killer of that body saw you? He could've thought you were with the person that died and ended up bringing us into a gunfight. You would've been allowed to loot him, just not the FIRST thing you do when you see the body. I call that not having impulse control.

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I’m am roleplaying a hood rat from california with barely any patience or impulse control, duh. 

But those actions i did was all in character. 

This is my last unnecessary reply as i do not wanna flood this report for the admins. I wanna keep this report straight to the point. I did a mistake and i’ll serve my punishment if necessary.

Also looking from your video POV, it doesn’t look like the RP was terrible. I was just tabbing out a tad too much and i apologize for that, i can imagine it being immersion breaking and i’m sorry for that. This behaviour will not be repeated.

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@Benjaminn & @thegrowl - What was your exact reason for robbing/initiating on Sm1ley?

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1 hour ago, Sleepyhead said:

@Benjaminn & @thegrowl - What was your exact reason for robbing/initiating on Sm1ley?

I am speaking for both me and Benjamin as we agree on it: We wanted to show him (in RP) what we do with people that are not up to the task to be with us.

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