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S1: Attempted RDM, BadRP. | Stary | 22:45 - 2018-09-24

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Server and location: S1, in Stary Sobor.

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2018-09-24, 22:45.

Your in game name: Ondrej Pavlik.

Names of allies involved: None.

Name of suspect/s: Anarchy @Farmer-BorisRP @Sleepyhead

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): None.

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

Part 1 (Walking to Stary Sobor):

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Part 2 (Initiation): 

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Part 3 (Inside the church, getting shot)

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Part 4 (After Boris comes back from the crash):

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This was a recording not a playback, which is the reason why it isn't the same length as the others.

Detailed description of the events: I was on my new character Ondrej Pavlik and I went back into Stary to sell some of my goods. Turns out there was a fist fight going on and someone was knocked out, then someone ran over and T-bagged the man on the ground which is the kind of behavior I see all the time lately. Afterwards some conversation goes on and @Sleepyhead drops an Initiation from the other side of the wall. Thought it was a joke at first since her character is a child but I shook it off and complied. We were told to drop all of our weapons we could use and we were sent into the church where there were people defending inside as some sort of bait to open the doors. We then sat at the back of the church and remained there with our hands up as these two groups fought it out. As time went on the person to my right was killed so I started to hide behind the pedestal and shortly afterwards I saw someone (Sleepyhead) aiming at me, I didn't know what to do so I felt like moving so I moved to the left and I believe I dodged the round but it seemed like it grazed my arm. I bandage myself and we then continue to sit inside the church and as we sit we continue to be in their line of fire as we fear that even going into the open will mean our deaths we ask many times to come out of the church but they're only focused on killing everyone it seems, but then after a while they let us out. I stand around guarded by two people with little to no RP, the other guy runs off after Boris and another crashes. I remain in the same place and once they come back I'm still in the same place and I continue sitting in silence held by @Farmer-BorisRP and he and I have a tiny conversation after the situation that happened inside then he barely talks to me even after I attempt to start a conversation. He asks me for my bag that has all my food and trading goods and after demanding for it he gets it. He asks to release me over the radio to his group then he escorts me out of town I end the recording then only after demanding for food he gives me 1 can afterwards.

Edit: added clips, as well as adding a more in-depth POV

Edited by Finn
Added video.

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Paisley Duvont's PoV;

After working alongside @Ghost Of Pado & Anarchy for a few days now, they tell me to go initiate on these people in front of the church. I do so, and @Jamie takes their weapons.

It turns out, there are already people in the church including @Svenne who we're fighting against when we send the hostages inside. The firefight ensues, and during it, I kill a compliant hostage (who went by Zain on Teamspeak, but I don't know his forum name). After speaking on Teamspeak, he was okay that I accidentally shot him. 

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The firefight lasted a while. If I accidentally shot you in the arm while trying to kill the opposing side, I'm really sorry & accept full punishment. I may have mistook you for an enemy or misfired.

Later on, I tell the people inside of the church to walk outside with their hands raised or they will be shot. Two hostages, Finn & someone else I'm unsure, come outside. I hand them off to @Farmer-BorisRP and take my leave.

I don't have video evidence. Sorry again.

edit: I'd also like to add that, as a hostage taker, you may harm your hostages as much as you'd like so long as they don't die. I don't think this is a case of RDM, and if anything it might be not caring for a hostage.

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As some of you may know, we are currently having issues retrieving the logs, I have seen some names already mentioned so, in the meantime, can @Sleepyhead and @Finn provide names of their allies/involved members so we can collect the relevant POVs here in the report, we will upload any evidence on our side when and if possible.

Can @Farmer-BorisRP, @Ghost Of Pado, @Svenne, @G19RP, @Eagle and @Jamie please upload a POV, thanks.

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My allies included but weren't limited to @Jamie @Ghost Of Pado @Eagle @G19RP & some other members of Anarchy, who I'm unsure about their names. 

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I have added video evidence of the situation, bear with me as I have added the same clip twice and didn't want to bother uploading it for the 3rd time.

Edit: I also have no allies, so yeah.

Edited by Finn

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I have really nothing to add to this report but here I go:

Sleepyheads attacks and we join into the initiation I try finding a lesbian in town but lose her, few mins go by and some plebs start fighting us Jamie dies pado dies etc...we lock them in, situation gets stale people comply and move out, then use the crash of Boris to run I shoot at them, they don't die fight gets even more stale we run in and the cancer corners cannot be pushed and I die by a single round.

No recordings from my end..

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@Finn There are cuts in the video you posted, can you please upload the full unedited video asap please.

We dont want any evidence withheld that could potentially change the outcome of this report.

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24 minutes ago, Harvey said:

@Finn There are cuts in the video you posted, can you please upload the full unedited video asap please.

We dont want any evidence withheld that could potentially change the outcome of this report.

I only cut the first one once I arrived in town, but I'll satisfy your request. The videos will be uploaded tonight.

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Sleepy drops the yeet, I went to chase after someone who ran out of town towards novy and I hear the gunshots from the people held up in the church I turn around to go back to help at the church then after I see the love of my life @Jamie die's I push in and get gunned down. (Sorry don't have to much to  add after i died I had to dip for irl reasons)

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MY POV 

Me, @JakeRP and @ReaperRP head towards stary to enjoy some RP. We get to the city and decide to interact with everyone, after a while a fight breaks out between me and two other guys which ends with me getting knocked out (fist fights) . Me and @JakeRP decides to head in to the church to pray. @ReaperRP And multiple other civilians get initiated upon so we take defensive position to engage the enemies once they enter, we engage and kill a few of them. This drags on and Anarchy's hostages get shot at multiple times even though they were clearly none combatants. One hostage get killed so the rest decide to take cover, so they also don't get gunned down. On the video I'm the man sitting on left side engaging from behind what looks like a grave. One civilians gets shot but survives it. Eventually the hostages are released and the fight continues until I get gunned down when I run out of ammo. In the end I think I kill around 7 people. 

I have no clue who the man is on the right side which takes up arms and helps us.  

I unfortunately have no video evidence.

 

Edited by Svenne

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Added seperate clips, as well as the clip at the start that was trimmed.

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Boris Pov: 

Sleepy drops a initiation at the church.

And it turns to a seige with alot of peps getting shoot.

People died left and right and after a while I got shoot and a moment after that the hostages came outside.

 

We moved two hostages to the red house beside church and I start to rp with the hostages. 

After a bit Finn gets perms to afk and I keep on rping with the other hostage and after a bit I crash and the other hostage ran away.

I got back ingame and started to rp with Finn and at this point more peps died so I  decided to move Finn to the other side of the house so I could see the church doors and get some cover from the hill.

And you can see in Finns video P4 that it starts with me and him at the side of the house.

NOTICE that this is not the beggining the part were I start rping with him and the other hostage and me crashing and when I came back and started to rp with Finn again and Then I moved him to the other side of the house. 

Thats when the P4 video starts so the beggining of me dealing with Finn are not in the video but instead starts after I moved him.

 

When im at the red house there were peps on the hill and inside the curch and people died all around us. Then after a moment More people dies and I start to ask him some stuff, how many people inside and what guns they hade. 

 

And then after some rp and more people getting killed I kick Finn out of town with food and a axe. 

I then run over to the church and I die. END OF POV.

 

I noticed that the hole part were I start to rp with Finn and moving him are missing.

 

I got no ivdeo evidence

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The reason for going AFK was to set up my recording software. When I came back you crashed and then once you came back I started recording.

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I no longer want to report Sleepyhead.

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My POV:

We roll up in Stary and were just idling around. Sleepy then initiates on the church and I take the responsibility of lining up the hostages. I politely ask them to drop their guns and weapons in a pile and state that they might have them returned at the end. Due to us being open, I ask them all to pile inside the church not knowing that there was enemies inside. When realising there was people inside, I take cover by the side of the door. I take a few shots, hitting someone once thinking he was dead, I then peak again and died. 

 

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@Finn @Sleepyhead

Can I confirm that the issue was talked out and/or resolved to the satisfaction of both parties? If so we will look into the outcome of the report.

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5 hours ago, Harvey said:

@Finn @Sleepyhead

Can I confirm that the issue was talked out and/or resolved to the satisfaction of both parties? If so we will look into the outcome of the report.

Yes

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7 hours ago, Harvey said:

@Finn @Sleepyhead

Can I confirm that the issue was talked out and/or resolved to the satisfaction of both parties? If so we will look into the outcome of the report.

Yes, only for my report against sleepyhead. The rest remains.

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Verdict:

@Farmer-BorisRP [BadRP]: Not Guilty.

@Sleepyhead [Attempted Invalid Kill - Firefight]: Inconclusive.

Explanation:

A team of staff members have come the the following conclusion regarding this report, we would also like to apologise for the delay of this verdict due to foreseen circumstances. 

First of all we will address the report against @Sleepyhead. Despite it being dropped, we still feel it is necessary to point out that it was a clear mis-id and that in another circumstance it had the potential to be put down as an Attempted invalid kill. It is important that in such circumstances you pay close attention to your targets and confirm their identity as a hostile, either in you mind or through radio, perhaps your teammates have more intel or a better view of the playing field. In this situation a complying hostage was killed and another shot at, despite them being in clear view showing no aggressive intent. Next time please take due caution.

Next, the case against @Farmer-BorisRP. Whilst the RP certainly wasn't great, it was passable and at least involved the hostage to a certain extent with general questions and so forth. Whilst it has not been deemed punishable, we would like to make it known that in situations such as this one, RP is still above everything, there is nothing wrong with focusing on a firefight but if you decide to take hostages at any given time you must give them adequate attention and RP at all times, whilst average communication is fine as it is, you all know that we as a community strive for a higher standard of RP across the board, so keep that in mind and look to make the scenario as enjoyable as possible for everyone.

Outcome:

@Farmer-BorisRP [BadRP]: No Punishment.

@Sleepyhead [Attempted Invalid Kill - Firefight]: No Punishment.

Signed by @Brayces

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