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S1 - KOS x3/Attempted KOS at Zub Castle - 25/05/2018 04:30

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Server and location:  Server 1 - Zub Castle

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 25/05/2018 - 05:30

Your in game name: Lucas Jones

Names of allies involved: Anarchy Boys

Name of suspect/s: Black Roses

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): N/A

Detailed description of the events: We make our way down to Vyshnoe to meet the black roses through @Karma, as G19 is entering the town he gets told that @Anonymoose had just died for some reason. As we wait a hella long time Anonymoose returns about 20-30 minutes later (Maybe breaking NLR aswell) When everyone is finally there, @VictusRP and G19 initiate on the people in the town. Me and Nate head up the tower to see if anyone was up there not even 5-10 seconds after the initiation, as I'm heading to the top part of the tower I hear a gun shot and attempt to talk to the people at the top part of the tower but I'm then shot as soon as I start to talk, along with it nate is attempted kos’d.

I fail to understand where you guys gained KOS rights on me, Nate, Lemon and the other guy? Nothing was said to any of us, no initiation, no RP at all... 

Edited by Lucass
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My POV: I was running on the North hill, Victus and G19 initiate on black roses in the town. I was running on the North hill and was approached by two men and got gunned down, no words exchanged or anything.

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Anyways here is Franklin Albers delicious POV

      I was in Vyshnoye with Bobby talking to Dr. Rose and her two bodyguards about solving hostilities between our groups. We were starting to get somewhere when all of the sudden someone (In a bright ass blue armband) Yells for everyone to put their hands up. I immediately swivel my gun and pop a few rounds into him before I realize I have a AK74 so it isn't going to do shit so of course I die. 

I don't know if there were more around me, all I saw @VictusRP or @G19RP one of them was aiming at Bobby so of course I tried to shoot one guy on his own. Miss me with that NVFL fam

 

Edited by Reckless
didnt mean to get salty OOC, just happens sometimes

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1 minute ago, Reckless said:

I think this report is a bit ridiculous, them running around as a dynamic doing stuff like this makes everything way too confusing with the rules. You know they are associated and you know they will shoot you and you know who they are because they all wear the same armband. Its simple ruleplay to make things harder for us. In the event of a firefight where our leader is taken hostage and one of us (me) is gunned down at initiation we aren't going to worry about initiating on these separate guys who all wear the same armbands! We know what side they are on and they know us. It is pretty ridiculous. RANT OVER

I 100% Agree with this statement, becuase they are bullshitting their way through a report with loopholes around being dynamic.

Iosif's POV
We are scouting out the Dr. Rose and Black Rose meet, and all of a sudden we hear over radio that anarchy is here, so we decide to try to get positions on which to fire upon bc they initiated on our group, and they all wear the bright blue armband, so we can easily identify them. After trying to scout for a bit we decide to run into the hill top, where I assume @CaliforniaRP was and @MasterDovakiin gunned him down bc we saw the armband on his arm, and we shot at him. Then we circle around after searching more and get to a flank position at Zub castle to rush the anarchists, and we rush in and no one is there, after a moment of recooperating, i run out the door and get instantly shot at by a guy that was circling around.

I'd like to call Invalid kill on whoever killed me. I never shot a single round at any of the anarchists, and there was no initiation on me. I was not wearing an armband and anyone that saw us got gunned down for the most part, so i couldn't have been identified completely. Also, as for the invalid kill calls on us, you guy knew an active firefight would break out, and you were in the war zone, so expect to get shot when rushing people in zub.

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18 minutes ago, Reckless said:

-SNIP-

Dynamic's don't exist anymore, Every single one of us have to initiate on each person we initiate on.. Imagine that? 10 anarchy members having to initiate on a single person just to gain hostilities. Please don't try to claim victim. If you guys clearly knew it was us, then why KOS?! You guys know we have to initiate separately and you have to initiate on us individually aswell.. If you want to complain about it, ask the staff why we haven't been accepted as a group! 

10 minutes ago, KSGamingTTM said:

-SNIPPY-

Again dynamics don't exist anymore.. We count as separate individuals who you guys have to initiate on separately. An active gunfight? The initiation was dropped in Vyshnoe town, 500m's away! You think the initiators had a chance to run 500m's in 5 seconds? Don't claim firefight KOS rights when the initiators were no where near you. It's like me Initiating on someone in Stary Yar and then having Louie shoot a guy 500m's away because firefight KOS rights! 

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2 minutes ago, Lucass said:

Again dynamics don't exist anymore.. We count as separate individuals who you guys have to initiate on separately. An active gunfight? The initiation was dropped in Vyshnoe town, 500m's away!

The hill we gatted California on was around roughly 300m away, so you cant claim 500m, and the castle is around 370m from Vishnoye town, so you can't claim that either, and y'all knew about the shot in zub castle about the initiation, hence why you guys ran over there to him. You knew the people in the castle were with the people you initiated on and you rushed the castle and got killed. On the hill, California was around 300m from the initiation and we knew about it via radio, and we saw the armband, and shot you because we have IC knowledge of that armband being you guys, and we know it was YOU guys that initiated via radio. You know its an active firefight within the 500m range, and got killed.

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3 minutes ago, KSGamingTTM said:

-SNIP-

Are you claiming you killed us because we were in the area?

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Just now, Lucass said:

Are you claiming you killed us because we were in the area?

You were knowingly in an active firefight, within 500m, and we shot you. Technically, it wasn't even me, I didn't even fire a single shot. I can say the same thing y'all are saying to me, because I was killed WITHOUT an initiation, but I was killed because I was in the area, when I NEVER fired a single shot, AT ALL. So, I can claim the same thing as you ? 

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Assuming you died to g19, g19 will explain the reason. 

You guys had zero rights on any of us. You shot purely because we were in the area, I even tried rping with you and you just trigger happy kid shot me down for being in the area. You knew we weren’t the people who initiated and you still shot. Simple KOS ? 

cba to reply anymore no more back and fourth pls

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Rose Vardent POV:

@Kain and I set up a plan to get revenge on (bobby) @Anonymoose and @MasterDovakiin for a situation the night before that resulted in one of my group members permaing his character. We were going to meet bobby at Vyshnoe along with a few of his guys and I had Kain and @G19RP with me and the rest of anarchy waiting to grab them when we were done talking. I do not know if any of anarchy came into the town before that point. For 99% of the fighting we were actually being held ''hostage'' in a house and waiting to be told when it was safe to leave, so we did not see the actual kill at Zub take place.

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Kazimir Yazov's POV

I personally don't find this should be reported, but I will post my side in this.

 

@Karma and I had previous interactions with The Black Roses and we wanted revenge on the Roses for killing Markus, a character that was close to Rose. So, we got into contact with @human142 and found out that he might be a snake for The Black Roses, so we demand to see him here. I get into contact with @G19RP and tell him about what is going on and said how it seems Human's character is trying to set up a trap. After about 30 minutes of radio chat, we finally get a location where to meet the Black Roses at Vyshnoe. G19RP disguises himself as Merrick and escorts Rose and I to Vyshnoe and Fyodr gets some of the Anarchy to set up a trap around Vyshnoe. After the long travel, we got to Vyshnoe and interacted with @Reckless of the Black Roses. After a long talk about random slew of topics, @Anoymouse arrives at Vyshnoe and Rose begins to negotiate what she wants out of this. Roughly 10 to 20 minutes into this, Anarchy drops an initiation on The Black Roses and Reckless gets killed. Rose and I act out like we don't know what is happening and were transported into Beige house where @yuthee would watch over Rose, Bobby and I. During this whole situation, we just roleplayed in the house and Kazimir acted like a jackass to Bobby the entire time as he normally would. After a long time, Fyodr returns and asks Bobby some questions, asks for last words, Fyodr proceeds to kill Bobby and then Rose and I leave the scene laughing and cheering with the Anarchists about the situation.

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52 minutes ago, KSGamingTTM said:

I 100% Agree with this statement, becuase they are bullshitting their way through a report with loopholes around being dynamic.

Iosif's POV
We are scouting out the Dr. Rose and Black Rose meet, and all of a sudden we hear over radio that anarchy is here, so we decide to try to get positions on which to fire upon bc they initiated on our group, and they all wear the bright blue armband, so we can easily identify them. After trying to scout for a bit we decide to run into the hill top, where I assume @CaliforniaRP was and @MasterDovakiin gunned him down bc we saw the armband on his arm, and we shot at him. Then we circle around after searching more and get to a flank position at Zub castle to rush the anarchists, and we rush in and no one is there, after a moment of recooperating, i run out the door and get instantly shot at by a guy that was circling around.

I'd like to call Invalid kill on whoever killed me. I never shot a single round at any of the anarchists, and there was no initiation on me. I was not wearing an armband and anyone that saw us got gunned down for the most part, so i couldn't have been identified completely. Also, as for the invalid kill calls on us, you guy knew an active firefight would break out, and you were in the war zone, so expect to get shot when rushing people in zub.

Well in this report;

 

We were reported for 'possible invalid kill' even though I was >5 meters from the initiation and CLEARLY apart of it.

 

In this situation, I stayed a good 200m from the town at all times, and was running through the woods looking for any snipers to initiate on. Knowing I don't have kill rights on them, and they don't have any on me(since we're not official).

 

Since our ability to be efficient in fights is being drastically hendered by the rules and us not being approved, it effects everyone. The dynamic rules are no longer a thing, so I could be 2 meters away from the initation, still wearing my blue armband, and the rule's say you can't shoot me as long as I don't initiate/get directly involved. Even though I am clearly a friend of the initiator, we don't share kill rights. That goes both ways. We don't get kill rights on you, and you don't get kill rights on us.

 

As for the man who invalidly killed you, he had been shot at by black roses prior to, and had kos on all black roses. Funny how that works? It's a shit circumstance where we get absolutely fucked by our group-idea status and the rules, and sadly this fact has been taken advantage of several times since we've unarchived. It gets boring after getting RDM'd over and over because 'we were wearing a blue armband'.

 

Had I of turned and killed the two men who shot at me, I would of gotten pegged for invalid KoS myself.

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5 minutes ago, CaliforniaRP said:

As for the man who invalidly killed you, he had been shot at by black roses prior to, and had kos on all black roses.

I'd like to mention, I could've been a civilian in the situation, as I was not wearing my black identification armband, and my clothing couldn't have been called out, as any of you guys who saw me were killed. So, I was just shot at, and there was no identification of me being a black rose, even though I was in the same general area of them, I was shot with no identification.

 

"We were reported for 'possible invalid kill' even though I was >5 meters from the initiation and CLEARLY apart of it.
Also, nothing happened to you guys in that report either, huh? Funny.

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1 minute ago, KSGamingTTM said:

I'd like to mention, I could've been a civilian in the situation, as I was not wearing my black identification armband, and my clothing couldn't have been called out, as any of you guys who saw me were killed. So, I was just shot at, and there was no identification of me being a black rose, even though I was in the same general area of them, I was shot with no identification.

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Well, whoever shot you took the risk and won the gamble. We knew black roses were in the castle(after RDM'ing Lucas, Nate was stuck half way up the castle before running out). So had there of been a poor soul not involved who happened to run in and out of the castle, the shooter would of got banned.

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1 minute ago, CaliforniaRP said:

Well, whoever shot you took the risk and won the gamble.

I agree with you here, he won the gamble, I'm just bringing up that he shot without identification, as you guys are bitching about with us, RDMing. It's the same principle. But, I assume im just cluttering the report, so I'm done here for now.

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I initiated on the people in the town.shot a guy not complying.

Then went up to the castle.  One of the boys was kos'ed. since it was a different  situation. 

I think there was some meta game cause I don't know how the other guys know we initiated on the town and I didn't hear anyone speak on their radio.

I shortly after glitched out the tower on my screen and died.

 

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I am going to go ahead and post my pov and my opinion on this whole matter. Note that this is my opinion and I am entitled to it so don't get salty if you disagree with me.

So, we had a sniper on Zub castle who watched our boys get initiated on in Vyshnoe and radios us about it. @KSGamingTTM and myself take a flank around the northern hill where we had already spotted someone in an orange raincoat lurking around earlier. We have conformation that it is Anarchy so we know IC what they wear as armbands. We run into one with the armband and I open fire as he is in the immediate area of the firefight with his gun out. This is where things go dumb and here is why. This server's main focus is about IC RP. You want to play as if it was yourself in the in game situation. So even if you are a dynamic group, if you look at it IC, you guys call yourself the Anarchists, everyone knows you as such, a group. So IC people are going to treat you as a group, not as a bunch of individuals. From what I see this is a Ruleplay report. You guys damn well know of the firefight you are participating in. Everyone knows you as a group IC, you consider yourselves a group IC, you initiated being a group IC.

If anyone needs anything else from me, just let me know. I don't have any recordings of the situation.

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I'm back.. 

Ok, so your whole group clearly understands the whole rules for our group and that we have to initiate individually. How do we know that? You state it here..

At 18:19 you can clearly see them discussing the official group rules. I have noticed a trend through out this report in which The black roses state that our guys presented a clear threat to them. However, The video posted in DatTurtles stream sniping report clearly shows members of the black Roses stating that because we are not an official group we do not present an immediate threat to them. This is an RP server and shooting another player should always be your last option, The black roses clearly knew we didn't present a threat unless we initiated and instead of RPing with us they opened fire on guys who were attempting to RP with the Black Roses or and even worse, guys who were simply in the area. In both cases, none of the parties killed had initiated, none of the parties killed had been apart of the initial initiation and none of the parties killed presented a direct threat to the black roses.

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8 minutes ago, Lucass said:

none of the parties killed presented a direct threat to the black roses

Well, like @MasterDovakiin said, think of it in a real life scenario, which is what you should put your mindset into when roleplaying. If one of our members sees the initiation go down, he's gonna take action, and gonna radio us in. Before the initiation we saw you fellas sneaking around the area quite a bit, leading to suspicion, so as we are doing a risky meeting, anybody that looks to be sneaking around the area could be a potential threat to any of us. We know ICly about the initiation, we know ICly that its Anarchists, we know ICly what color armband the Anarchists wear. So what reason would we have to not instantly shoot any of them that we see? Especially after our leader is being held up in Vyshnoe town. In real life, in this situation, if you saw someone that you knew was the enemy, would you hesitate to shoot them, especially if your leader was taken hostage by THEM? No, you wouldn't hesitate to drop the first enemy you see. It doesn't make sense for you guys to play around the rules of being dynamic just so we can't shoot you instantly, even though we can clearly recognize you. You guys are ruleplaying, over the roleplay IC. In the real world scenario, you would've got mowed down without any interaction just based off the fact that we can recognize you as the enemy. I believe we can also play the active firefight card, just based on the fact that shooting went down as soon as the initiation was dropped, and anybody that got killed was within the 500M range on the active firefight, and they were knowingly in it. And you're gonna especially get mowed down from as soon as we see you, just based off the fact that you wear your armband, and we can recognize you. I believe @Lucass got mowed down in Zub after running up the stairs with which our teammate was at the top, and according to our teammate they said something around the lines of, "Fuck off somewhere" and you guys ran up with your guns drawn, so they shot you.

 

Honestly, this report is completely pointless and it shouldn't have even happened in the first place. It's whatever though.

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6 minutes ago, KSGamingTTM said:

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Yes- but like us, you too are held accountable to the rules. Everyone's knows if you share KoS you wouldn't be running through the woods like a chicken w/o a head. We are at the whim of the rules when it comes to non-approved groups, just like how we have to bend to the rules b/c dynamic doesn't exist, so would you.

 

Just to clarify, @VictusRP and @G19RP were the only two people on our side to drop an initiation, and none of us were initiated on(especially me and @Lucass) who were shot down in the woods/in the castle.

 

Trust me friend, I- like all the other boys- find it reduntant for 15 of us to run up, yell "drop your guns" and then run back to our spots, but its what staff want's, so we're forced to bend for it.

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@CaliforniaRP I understand your point of view from this, and I can agree with you. I can see how we are held accountable for this and how the rules have to be bended to a little. I assume, in the heat of the moment, we didn't care who we shot down or what happened. I personally think it would've been better if you guys came and talked to us after the fight so this report didn't have to happen. I feel like this report is gonna cause OOC hate, and I don't want that tbh. Again also like I said, @Lucass was told to fuck off whenever he was around the castle, and yet he decided to come up anyway, which resulted in him getting shot. But, @CaliforniaRP we honestly had no right to shoot you in the forest, I can completely understand you, just in the heat of the moment, we saw the armband you had, knew you were affiliated, saw you as a threat, and shot.

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1 minute ago, KSGamingTTM said:

 @Lucass was told to fuck off whenever he was around the castle

Considering me AND nate came up the castle right after the initiation was dropped, we were never told "to fuck off" they didn't even know we were there until we were coming up the last flight of stairs and I had finally started to talk and then get KOS'd. Please talk to your people before trying to state facts that did not happen.

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Just now, Lucass said:

Please talk to your people before trying to state facts that did not happen.

That's what our people in castle said. Idk if that was true or not, but they said that they told you guys to "Fuck off"

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1 minute ago, KSGamingTTM said:

That's what our people in castle said. Idk if that was true or not, but they said that they told you guys to "Fuck off"

They did not and even if they did. Fuck off is not an initiation.

No longer responding unless asked by staff or I have further evidence/information

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