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Lore Event Series "Tipping Scales" - Part 2 - Lost Thunder

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I am a man of my word, as promised; an ICBM up for grabs ladies and gentlemen!

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1 minute ago, PCJames said:

I am a man of my word, as promised; an ICBM up for grabs ladies and gentlemen!

Pssh it's a short-range ballistic missile. ?

#Hype!

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May 12th is a saturday. Also, I just fucking dumped all my BPR gear, now I have to get more UGGH

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On 5/4/2018 at 6:06 PM, PCJames said:

TIME: 18:00-20:00 server time.

Date: Sunday, April 12th

uhhhhhhh, I'm really confused. It would not be Sunday on the 12th of May, nor would it be Sunday April the 12th last month.

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I'm not gonna lie, this doesn't make much sense. I'm always down for some new events, but within the scope of realism, and this...well, it just doesn't fit.

You say he has ICBM launchers. Regardless of how I feel about the 58th Army being given access to intercontinental ballistic missiles, it doesn't make ANY sense as to why they would be deployed in any area that risk could come to them. Realistically they would be hundreds of kilometers in the rear, protected by an integral company element of infantry at all times. Safeguarding these weapons would be a top priority for anyone in control of them. 

More on this: Russia hasn't organized "artillery brigades" since the cold war. It abandoned these formations after its army reorganization program in the early 2000s. Nevertheless, these units were armed with MRBMs (medium range ballistic missiles, big distinction from ICBMs). An MRBM, for reference, has about 1/3 the range and less than a fourth of the payload. Think Scud-B missiles, which Iraq used during the Gulf War. I'm not sure if this was just a typo on your part, since the launcher you reference (the Scarab-C) is an MRBM. Its range is less than a hundred miles - an ICBM has thousands of miles of range. 

A mobile ballistic missile launcher of the 12 rocket artillery brigade of the Russian Armed Forces has been immobilized just north of South Zagoria in an area of destroyed woodland and frequent clashes. This launcher contains a chemical warhead powerful enough to plague a town with harmful gases for several hours and would be a very powerful weapon for anyone to possess. The operator of the Tochka was forced to leave his launcher on the border line and is somewhere in South Zagoria nursing a serious leg injury. The event will start when a radio chatter thread is dropped with the sole clue to the whereabouts of the operative. Groups or individuals must determine where the operator is. In his possession, the operator has a book with the coordinates of the Tochka. Once a party has found the operator they are presented with a number of options. They can either:

This is what really gets me. Why on earth would a weapon so valuable be left ungaurded? Or that close to the fighting at all? You say its a chemical payload. Okay, that's a lot better than a goddamn nuclear missile, but still? The range on these things is HUNDREDS of kilometers. Why put them so close to the frontline? And where is this particular launcher's escort? It'd be guarded at all times. 

It would be more believable if these weapons were chemical artillery shells. 105mm/155mm, take your pick. But its a lot easier to say "a supply convoy going to this specific artillery battalion got lost they sent runners to look for help, one of them ended up in SZ." Then you have essentially the same event as what your trying to create here, but with enough realism that I'm not going to consider suicide as I read this. 

The Chernarussian Air Force's Su-25s and Mig-23s have exploited the gaps in Russian dominance and devastated a significant strong-point north of Kamensk. No Chernarussian aircraft have been shot down as of yet, but the wounded Russian bear is still potent despite the fact that it is defending areas of territory all the way from the Estonian border down to the Black Sea and all the way across to Vladivostok in the far east. Major safezones like Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and Krasnoyar must be protected from massive wandering hordes, and recent escalation in rural rebellions have led to organized and armed vigilantes eliminating MVD units and seizing areas formerly controlled by the State. Russia is now a patchwork of safezones, infected areas, toxic zones, and violent wastes of quasi-civilization populated by the mob and other factions of looters that are in a fight for control. 

On another note, Russia has perhaps the second most advanced IADS (integrated air defense system) in the world. I fail to see how a country like Chernarus, using old, defunct fighters (Mig-23 is like, thirty years old man) is faring against Su-35s, PAK-FAs, not to mention a plethora of surface-to-air-missile launchers. If Russia wanted to it could completely shut down Chernarussian airspace - it wouldn't even be a contest. So no casualties? Idk man. The first prelude to any sort of ground offensive is the establishment of air superiority. Either these Russians are retarded, or...well, yeah, that'd have to be the only explanation. That everyone is their army is clinically autistic and just have decided that they'd rather be bombed then attempt to shoot down these aircraft with a vastly superior arsenal of surface to air missiles.

Major, your a great guy, and you've written some great stuff. But this, frankly, is disappointing. I expected better man. 

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4 minutes ago, Sylva said:

I'm not gonna lie, this doesn't make much sense. I'm always down for some new events, but within the scope of realism, and this...well, it just doesn't fit.

You say he has ICBM launchers. Regardless of how I feel about the 58th Army being given access to intercontinental ballistic missiles, it doesn't make ANY sense as to why they would be deployed in any area that risk could come to them. Realistically they would be hundreds of kilometers in the rear, protected by an integral company element of infantry at all times. Safeguarding these weapons would be a top priority for anyone in control of them. 

More on this: Russia hasn't organized "artillery brigades" since the cold war. It abandoned these formations after its army reorganization program in the early 2000s. Nevertheless, these units were armed with MRBMs (medium range ballistic missiles, big distinction from ICBMs). An MRBM, for reference, has about 1/3 the range and less than a fourth of the payload. Think Scud-B missiles, which Iraq used during the Gulf War. I'm not sure if this was just a typo on your part, since the launcher you reference (the Scarab-C) is an MRBM. Its range is less than a hundred miles - an ICBM has thousands of miles of range. 

A mobile ballistic missile launcher of the 12 rocket artillery brigade of the Russian Armed Forces has been immobilized just north of South Zagoria in an area of destroyed woodland and frequent clashes. This launcher contains a chemical warhead powerful enough to plague a town with harmful gases for several hours and would be a very powerful weapon for anyone to possess. The operator of the Tochka was forced to leave his launcher on the border line and is somewhere in South Zagoria nursing a serious leg injury. The event will start when a radio chatter thread is dropped with the sole clue to the whereabouts of the operative. Groups or individuals must determine where the operator is. In his possession, the operator has a book with the coordinates of the Tochka. Once a party has found the operator they are presented with a number of options. They can either:

This is what really gets me. Why on earth would a weapon so valuable be left ungaurded? Or that close to the fighting at all? You say its a chemical payload. Okay, that's a lot better than a goddamn nuclear missile, but still? The range on these things is HUNDREDS of kilometers. Why put them so close to the frontline? And where is this particular launcher's escort? It'd be guarded at all times. 

It would be more believable if these weapons were chemical artillery shells. 105mm/155mm, take your pick. But its a lot easier to say "a supply convoy going to this specific artillery battalion got lost they sent runners to look for help, one of them ended up in SZ." Then you have essentially the same event as what your trying to create here, but with enough realism that I'm not going to consider suicide as I read this. 

The Chernarussian Air Force's Su-25s and Mig-23s have exploited the gaps in Russian dominance and devastated a significant strong-point north of Kamensk. No Chernarussian aircraft have been shot down as of yet, but the wounded Russian bear is still potent despite the fact that it is defending areas of territory all the way from the Estonian border down to the Black Sea and all the way across to Vladivostok in the far east. Major safezones like Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and Krasnoyar must be protected from massive wandering hordes, and recent escalation in rural rebellions have led to organized and armed vigilantes eliminating MVD units and seizing areas formerly controlled by the State. Russia is now a patchwork of safezones, infected areas, toxic zones, and violent wastes of quasi-civilization populated by the mob and other factions of looters that are in a fight for control. 

On another note, Russia has perhaps the second most advanced IADS (integrated air defense system) in the world. I fail to see how a country like Chernarus, using old, defunct fighters (Mig-23 is like, thirty years old man) is faring against Su-35s, PAK-FAs, not to mention a plethora of surface-to-air-missile launchers. If Russia wanted to it could completely shut down Chernarussian airspace - it wouldn't even be a contest. So no casualties? Idk man. The first prelude to any sort of ground offensive is the establishment of air superiority. Either these Russians are retarded, or...well, yeah, that'd have to be the only explanation. That everyone is their army is clinically autistic and just have decided that they'd rather be bombed then attempt to shoot down these aircraft with a vastly superior arsenal of surface to air missiles.

Major, your a great guy, and you've written some great stuff. But this, frankly, is disappointing. I expected better man. 

Where in the OP does it state that it's an ICBM? I used the term ICBM in my comment simply because the casual passerby will understand that better than saying 'OTR-21'. Regarding your gripe about the air force perhaps you have forgotten Major's last lore post regarding the state of Russian military structure. Several internal factions have sprung up causing lots of internal conflict that is slowly causing an implosion for the Russian military, hence why they are having to fall back and condense their forces and not waste precious men on a country such as Chernarus. 

Regardless, I'm sorry if reading this made you contemplate the noose. If it's really so painful to even look that, then please don't participate in the event. I wouldn't want any harm to come to anyone because of something they read on an Internet forum. 

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1 minute ago, PCJames said:

Where in the OP does it state that it's an ICBM? I used the term ICBM in my comment simply because the casual passerby will understand that better than saying 'OTR-21'. Regarding your gripe about the air force perhaps you have forgotten Major's last lore post regarding the state of Russian military structure. Several internal factions have sprung up causing lots of internal conflict that is slowly causing an implosion for the Russian military, hence why they are having to fall back and condense their forces and not waste precious men on a country such as Chernarus. 

Regardless, I'm sorry if reading this made you contemplate the noose. If it's really so painful to even look that, then please don't participate in the event. I wouldn't want any harm to come to anyone because of something they read on an Internet forum. 

Regardless of their readiness, Major General Yevgeny Nikiforov of the 58th army based in Russia's Southern Military District, has started a psychological campaign of fear against the CDF. Since the first Chernarussian-Russian skirmishes occurred, Nikiforov ordered daily troop movements near the Chernarussian border in attempt to showcase the full might of Russian armed forces. On any given day it would not be uncommon to see convoys of T-72s,T-90s, BTR's and ICBM mobile launchers. The Russian Air Force has only seen limited use in recent weeks as ground forces have taken on the majority of the work and most aircraft are in heavy use elsewhere within the federation.

2 minutes ago, PCJames said:

Regardless, I'm sorry if reading this made you contemplate the noose. If it's really so painful to even look that, then please don't participate in the event. I wouldn't want any harm to come to anyone because of something they read on an Internet forum. 

lol. Point taken.

4 minutes ago, PCJames said:

 Several internal factions have sprung up causing lots of internal conflict that is slowly causing an implosion for the Russian military, hence why they are having to fall back and condense their forces and not waste precious men on a country such as Chernarus. 

Then why launch an offensive on a stable country with a proportionally large military?

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21 minutes ago, Sylva said:

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Sylva I'm not going to lie this is nitpicky as fuck. I'm not going to get into all the specifics you have laid out because frankly it's an event on a roleplaying zombie game. Sure we are realistic and we put a premium on it but what Russia is now IRL is not what Russia's state is in the Lore. I laid out some additional writing and did some graphics for this event. The whole concept is James's. 

Nobody gives a fuck about a realistic Arma level of seriousness that would get included into an event. There were people at the beginning of the Lore who wanted me to lay out for them every single vessel that made up the NATO task force, and questioned how it made sense for them to come to Chernarus so quickly. Sometimes we have to suspend disbelief for certain things because its a video game. Sure James could go to every single source and compile research on the organization of Russian Artillery Units and military districts and reorganization and on and on. Bottom line people are playing a survival game and this is an opportunity to have a Lore impact. That's it. It doesn't have to be realistic. 

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1 minute ago, Major said:

Sylva I'm not going to lie this is nitpicky as fuck. I'm not going to get into all the specifics you have laid out because frankly it's an event on a roleplaying zombie game. Sure we are realistic and we put a premium on it but what Russia is now IRL is not what Russia's state is in the Lore. I laid out some additional writing and did some graphics for this event. The whole concept is James's. 

Nobody gives a fuck about a realistic Arma level of seriousness that would get included into an event. There were people at the beginning of the Lore who wanted me to lay out for them every single vessel that made up the NATO task force, and questioned how it made sense for them to come to Chernarus so quickly. Sometimes we have to suspend disbelief for certain things because its a video game. Sure James could go to every single source and compile research on the organization of Russian Artillery Units and military districts and reorganization and on and on. Bottom line people are playing a survival game and this is an opportunity to have a Lore impact. That's it. It doesn't have to be realistic. 

I completely understand, and frankly, I agree. But when there is a chance to do the same thing that your trying to do while staying in the realm of realism, I think that the effort there needs to be made. If not for the sake of the people who don't care about how realistic it is, then for the people who do, or at least for yourself.

 

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Looks good and should be fun, good job guy's.

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Tbh this event looks lit, loving it. Keep up the good work @PCJames and @Major

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I would love to be apart of this event.

The only problem is the event is on mother’s day. ?

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@Major, Here’s my question. If you were to find the operator and kill him (option 5), could you instead of burning the book could you find the missile and just shoot it into the sea or out in the middle of nowhere as a kind of “fuck you” to all parties. So therefore no CDF, BPR, Russian, or independent forces can use such a weapon at all. 

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44 minutes ago, Dvlinhb said:

@Major, Here’s my question. If you were to find the operator and kill him (option 5), could you instead of burning the book could you find the missile and just shoot it into the sea or out in the middle of nowhere as a kind of “fuck you” to all parties. So therefore no CDF, BPR, Russian, or independent forces can use such a weapon at all. 

Yeah you could have him do that.

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Just now, Major said:

Yeah you could have him do that.

Duly noted. Launch the missile THEN execute the dirty Ruski.

Gotta write that down... Thanks. ? 

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Awesome, goodjob guys. Looks exciting.

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Good work Major & James, not back to the writing board. *Takes out whip.*

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7 hours ago, jacob67121 said:

Looks good and should be fun, good job guy's.

 Hey this could help are agenda help the Russians  ?could be fun 

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This is going to be a lot of fun! 

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7 hours ago, Sylva said:

I'm not gonna lie, this doesn't make much sense. I'm always down for some new events, but within the scope of realism, and this...well, it just doesn't fit.

You say he has ICBM launchers. Regardless of how I feel about the 58th Army being given access to intercontinental ballistic missiles, it doesn't make ANY sense as to why they would be deployed in any area that risk could come to them. Realistically they would be hundreds of kilometers in the rear, protected by an integral company element of infantry at all times. Safeguarding these weapons would be a top priority for anyone in control of them. 

More on this: Russia hasn't organized "artillery brigades" since the cold war. It abandoned these formations after its army reorganization program in the early 2000s. Nevertheless, these units were armed with MRBMs (medium range ballistic missiles, big distinction from ICBMs). An MRBM, for reference, has about 1/3 the range and less than a fourth of the payload. Think Scud-B missiles, which Iraq used during the Gulf War. I'm not sure if this was just a typo on your part, since the launcher you reference (the Scarab-C) is an MRBM. Its range is less than a hundred miles - an ICBM has thousands of miles of range. 

A mobile ballistic missile launcher of the 12 rocket artillery brigade of the Russian Armed Forces has been immobilized just north of South Zagoria in an area of destroyed woodland and frequent clashes. This launcher contains a chemical warhead powerful enough to plague a town with harmful gases for several hours and would be a very powerful weapon for anyone to possess. The operator of the Tochka was forced to leave his launcher on the border line and is somewhere in South Zagoria nursing a serious leg injury. The event will start when a radio chatter thread is dropped with the sole clue to the whereabouts of the operative. Groups or individuals must determine where the operator is. In his possession, the operator has a book with the coordinates of the Tochka. Once a party has found the operator they are presented with a number of options. They can either:

This is what really gets me. Why on earth would a weapon so valuable be left ungaurded? Or that close to the fighting at all? You say its a chemical payload. Okay, that's a lot better than a goddamn nuclear missile, but still? The range on these things is HUNDREDS of kilometers. Why put them so close to the frontline? And where is this particular launcher's escort? It'd be guarded at all times. 

It would be more believable if these weapons were chemical artillery shells. 105mm/155mm, take your pick. But its a lot easier to say "a supply convoy going to this specific artillery battalion got lost they sent runners to look for help, one of them ended up in SZ." Then you have essentially the same event as what your trying to create here, but with enough realism that I'm not going to consider suicide as I read this. 

The Chernarussian Air Force's Su-25s and Mig-23s have exploited the gaps in Russian dominance and devastated a significant strong-point north of Kamensk. No Chernarussian aircraft have been shot down as of yet, but the wounded Russian bear is still potent despite the fact that it is defending areas of territory all the way from the Estonian border down to the Black Sea and all the way across to Vladivostok in the far east. Major safezones like Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and Krasnoyar must be protected from massive wandering hordes, and recent escalation in rural rebellions have led to organized and armed vigilantes eliminating MVD units and seizing areas formerly controlled by the State. Russia is now a patchwork of safezones, infected areas, toxic zones, and violent wastes of quasi-civilization populated by the mob and other factions of looters that are in a fight for control. 

On another note, Russia has perhaps the second most advanced IADS (integrated air defense system) in the world. I fail to see how a country like Chernarus, using old, defunct fighters (Mig-23 is like, thirty years old man) is faring against Su-35s, PAK-FAs, not to mention a plethora of surface-to-air-missile launchers. If Russia wanted to it could completely shut down Chernarussian airspace - it wouldn't even be a contest. So no casualties? Idk man. The first prelude to any sort of ground offensive is the establishment of air superiority. Either these Russians are retarded, or...well, yeah, that'd have to be the only explanation. That everyone is their army is clinically autistic and just have decided that they'd rather be bombed then attempt to shoot down these aircraft with a vastly superior arsenal of surface to air missiles.

Major, your a great guy, and you've written some great stuff. But this, frankly, is disappointing. I expected better man. 

I get that you are a wannabe loremaster but our two lovely actual LMs put alot of effort in to these events and lore updates so maybe have some more respect towards the work they do. Nobody likes a nitpicky know-it-all.

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2 minutes ago, OskuRP said:

I get that you are a wannabe loremaster but our two lovely actual LMs put alot of effort in to these events and lore updates so maybe have some more respect towards the work they do. Nobody likes a nitpicky know-it-all.

Respect isn't the issue at hand. I for one appreciate being corrected if I'm at fault. 

Idk. In the end I'm a stickler for realism. I think that RP should be justified by lore, and not the other way around, but I'm fairly alone in this belief. I'm not bashing the obvious effort they put into coming up with this by saying it could have been justified better. Sure, it may be nitpicking, but for me, its fairly immersion breaking.

Regardeless I discussed it with Major in TS earlier and we came to an understanding. He listened to my concerns and took them into consideration, so props to him for that. 

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Looks good! What if an unaffiliated character comes by and grabs the guy? Can I feed him and bathe him, keep him as my own, Misery style? 

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9 hours ago, Major said:

-SNIP-

My gripe isn't with the levels of detail or effort put into the Lore detail, quite frankly I believe yourself and James have done a great job with the post and I really enjoyed reading it. My gripe is with the fact you're potentially giving a group an ICBM or whatever you choose to call it. The power balance on the server is immediately going to swing in the favour of any group that's in control of this weapon, which can and will have serious ramifications for the rest of the server, which is where my concern comes from. Moreover, what if the group that takes control of the missile decides to use it on South Zagoria? Its a chemical weapon, everyone on the server would be, for want of a better word, fucked. Those that aren't directly exposed to the weapon will certainly die from the aftermath, water supplies will be poisoned etc etc. I doubt this would be permitted in the end, however it still showcases the huge consequences that giving a group something this powerful has.

Furthermore, this event puts the larger, more militant, server groups at an advantage and is almost geared towards them. I know the group I RP with has no interest in controlling a missile, and even if we did we'd be at a disadvantage at trying to get to it because we're a group of doctors with only one character, myself, that has any sort of military training. With this in mind, I don't think it would be a stretch to say that if one of the bigger server groups kept and controlled this missile they could use it as a serious detergent against any other group that tries to oppose them. Even if it played out like it did with Anarchy, with a whole bunch of people grouping up to stop them, its going to be a Pyrrhic victory no matter what. Because even if you defeat the group that's in control of the missile, they could just radio the operator to blow everyone out of the water as a defiant middle finger. 

The last few things I want to say are this. One, there's a bit of a difference between fudging the time it takes for a group to arrive in South Zagoria/Chernarus and giving a group a Ballistic Missile. Two, I completely understand and agree that sometimes "realism" has to be sacrificed for enjoyment, and yes this is a zombie roleplaying game, however this is a roleplaying server and the levels of realism tend to define the levels of immersion a player can subject to, sacrifice realism too much and the immersion gets broken and people stop playing, because at the end of the day Roleplaying is about immersing yourself into a character and their environment. Lastly, there are far more reasonable means of allowing groups to make a Lore Impact than giving them a missile. Give them a cache of military grade equipment, give them the chance to assassinate a HVT such as a foreign diplomat, but please don't give out lore devices that can majorly influence the RP on the server. 

Again, Major, James, I thought the OP was well put together and very enjoyable to read, I just think the reward of this event needs changing to something that could have far less drastic impacts.

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53 minutes ago, Queerios said:

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It's not an ICBM. It could hit Sochi, Miroslavl, Primorsk, and a handful of other places.

It also couldn't be used this close for obvious reasons. We will have more events that are more applicable to your character soon. If you don't like it you don't have to participate.

Thanks for the words.

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