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Why was my Forum Games thread closed exactly?

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Preemptive closing of threads before warnings are issued is now a thing? Might as well ban everyone in case they break a rule? Are the community members not trusted to behave in a forum games thread? Why even was @Mexi's post snipped? Because the video contained the N word ONCE? Countless profiles have songs with the N word repeated extensively, the Profile Song thread itself probably has countless of videos linked that contain the N word. What's the reasoning here? I find this quite ridiculous to be honest.

EDIT: Both posts that were up in the thread at the moment of closing had references to firefight-related rulebreaks, NVFL specifically. Nothing was in bad taste and I certainly wouldn't consider the N word being used once perfectly in context of the movie NSFW.

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I think it's because we don't joke about rule breaks here on DayZRP. I used to revoke whitelists of people who "joked" about doing mass KoS.

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The post said why it got closed. Too much potential for content not appropriate 

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3 minutes ago, Rolle said:

I think it's because we don't joke about rule breaks here on DayZRP. I used to revoke whitelists of people who "joked" about doing mass KoS.

That has nothing to do with what the thread is about. It's not making fun of rulebreaks, it's about showing awesome movies scenes that we wouldn't be able to recreate on DayZRP because it would be considered a rulebreak.

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because it was considered that scenes could leak to nsfw scenes, which in this community seems to include the mature rating or 16+ content

which is ironic bc we're playing a game where you shoot people and get ate alive by zombies

 

EDIT: Further research

The game on steam is in-fact 18+, not the requirement of being mature (16+) which this community requires.

Putting violence under the same NSFW rules as porn and hardcore gore would go under is pure hypocrisy. There is nothing wrong with having 'mature' content in a strictly 'mature' community.

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Trying to create an interesting fun little thread are we? 

No thanks m8 *deletes thread*

best thing is to keep everything to discord lately, just use forums for the formal stuff ?

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Quite curious about this myself. Seems like the whole #Nofunallowed got taken a bit to literally null

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What even is fun nowadays around here...it's an off-topic forum game

56 minutes ago, Rolle said:

I used to revoke whitelists of people who "joked" about doing mass KoS.

If I'm honest I've never understood why would you even bother with or just do it at all. If you revoked WLs and so on based on posts like that in general forums and actual threads and so on that really "do matter" ok I'd say do your thing. But doing it in something as irrelevant as forum games is just a pity.

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i....dont really get the whole NSFW thing. We literally torture people to death, rob , steal beat, murder etc each other in game all the time. So it's cool if someone cuts the fetus our of a women killing both baby and child in game, but if people post some nsfw that's not cool? Can't we just have like a disclaimer when you sign up that there might be mature content. 

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5 minutes ago, UndeadRP said:

i....dont really get the whole NSFW thing. We literally torture people to death, rob , steal beat, murder etc each other in game all the time. So it's cool if someone cuts the fetus our of a women killing both baby and child in game, but if people post some nsfw that's not cool? Can't we just have like a disclaimer when you sign up that there might be mature content. 

Can't, that would restrict the ad revenue potential so I get that. But closing a thread with no warning issued seems hella harsh. Like we don't even get the benefit of a doubt that the thread will derail into NSFW.

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NSFW but allows torture RP. I've seen torture RP that involves extremely detailed mutilation, blowing people's genitals off with a shotgun, chopping them off with knives, flaying people's skin, burning people alive, putting them on crosses and lighting said cross on fire, cutting off limbs, strangling people with their own intestines, and then hanging them from building balconies. I could go on, but what's the point. I get not wanting NSFW content in the community, but why not just snip it if it's posted and issue warning points when necessary? We are allowed to do all this torturing but not allowed to rob, then we are having things shut down completely due to NSFW, but we allow all this other content in game. It's not like we are posting live-leak videos or pornographic material. What's the logic? I know that in European countries you can be jailed and fined for "hate speech" or saying the wrong thing, even over the internet. Maybe that's the reason. ? 

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The logic is two fold. 

One, Google would throw a fit and derank our website and reduce monetization with ads. We already get "page monetization disabled - violent content" warnings issued with current policy and I think we try to keep things nice. 

Two, what happens in game is different from the website. When people play the game it's usually in the privacy of their own homes. Website on the other hand can be accessed from anywhere - library, university, work. I sure don't torture and mutilate people while playing at work. The website must remain SFW because it is often accessed from locations that enforce SFW content. Getting in game is usually not possible from these locations. 

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3 minutes ago, Rolle said:

The logic is two fold. 

One, Google would throw a fit and derank our website and reduce monetization with ads. We already get "page monetization disabled - violent content" warnings issued with current policy and I think we try to keep things nice. 

Two, what happens in game is different from the website. When people play the game it's usually in the privacy of their own homes. Website on the other hand can be accessed from anywhere - library, university, work. I sure don't torture and mutilate people while playing at work. The website must remain SFW because it is often accessed from locations that enforce SFW content. Getting in game is usually not possible from these locations. 

I wasn't aware, that's understandable then. 

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5 minutes ago, Rolle said:

The logic is two fold. 

One, Google would throw a fit and derank our website and reduce monetization with ads. We already get "page monetization disabled - violent content" warnings issued with current policy and I think we try to keep things nice. 

Two, what happens in game is different from the website. When people play the game it's usually in the privacy of their own homes. Website on the other hand can be accessed from anywhere - library, university, work. I sure don't torture and mutilate people while playing at work. The website must remain SFW because it is often accessed from locations that enforce SFW content. Getting in game is usually not possible from these locations. 

I get that, but the thread had no NSFW posts, even if Mexi's post was snipped for the use of the N word once in the video. Should I just go ahead and proceed to report ever post in the Profile Song thread which has a video with the N word in it or every profile containing such songs? What's the logic behind this? There was literally no rulebreak and it was shut down almost instantly.

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Just now, SomeWeirdAssGuy said:

I get that, but the thread had no NSFW posts, even if Mexi's post was snipped for the use of the N word once in the video. Should I just go ahead and proceed to report ever post in the Profile Song thread which has a video with the N word in it or every profile containing such songs? What's the logic behind this? There was literally no rulebreak and it was shut down almost instantly.

I agree with this, don't take down the thread, take down the problematic posts within the thread.

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4 minutes ago, SomeWeirdAssGuy said:

I get that, but the thread had no NSFW posts, even if Mexi's post was snipped for the use of the N word once in the video. Should I just go ahead and proceed to report ever post in the Profile Song thread which has a video with the N word in it or every profile containing such songs? What's the logic behind this? There was literally no rulebreak and it was shut down almost instantly.

I don't know why Mexis video was hidden, so I can't answer that. I can answer why the thread was closed though and it's the same reason why "Insult the person above you", "Admit to rule breaks where you didn't get caught" or "Either give the person above you beans and say why or a gif of a liquid-nitrogen cooled cylinder containing hyper-virile sperm." (yes, that was a thing). It's not seen as appropriate and in our judgement closing it early will prevent issues, warnings and hate that will undoubtedly come from such a game.

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My thread has NOTHING in common with the threads you mention but alright, it's your website. Asking @Para directly then why was @Mexi's post snipped?

I'm literally at a loss for words.

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Please stop @ing me. I really don't care about the situation, thanks.

Forums and IG are separate things, keep it that way and let's not get another thing removed from the fun. 

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11 minutes ago, Mexi said:

Please stop @ing me. I really don't care about the situation, thanks.

Forums and IG are separate things, keep it that way and let's not get another thing removed from the fun. 

I don't think it's a matter if you care anymore, it's more of a general concern for any player that were to post something.

Kind of like when players come to an agreement to close a report without punishment but staff decide to punish anyway. Image result for eye emoji

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3 hours ago, Rolle said:

Two, what happens in game is different from the website. When people play the game it's usually in the privacy of their own homes. Website on the other hand can be accessed from anywhere - library, university, work. I sure don't torture and mutilate people while playing at work. The website must remain SFW because it is often accessed from locations that enforce SFW content. Getting in game is usually not possible from these locations. 

I can attest to this here above. I cannot get In Game at work, I can browse the forums though. Because of this I expect the forums to be operating in SFW Mode, as stated in the Rules we all agreed to when signing up for this site, or did some people forget? 

Here's a quick reminder; 

  • 1.5 All content shared through DayZRP services should be Safe For Work.

This is under Community Rules, btw. 

Since when are Sex Scenes from movies, Nazi's killing Jews in mass and other taboo topics not considered NSFW? 'Cause I'm pretty sure some companies take issue with seeing that content while a worker is casually browsing the forums on their break/lunch. 

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2 minutes ago, Brayces said:

I can attest to this here above. I cannot get In Game at work, I can browse the forums though. Because of this I expect the forums to be operating in SFW Mode, as stated in the Rules we all agreed to when signing up for this site, or did some people forget? 

Here's a quick reminder; 

  • 1.5 All content shared through DayZRP services should be Safe For Work.

This is under Community Rules, btw. 

Since when are Sex Scenes from movies, Nazi's killing Jews in mass and other taboo topics not considered NSFW? 'Cause I'm pretty sure some companies take issue with seeing that content while a worker is casually browsing the forums on their break/lunch. 

That's not the point of the thread, it's completely gone over your head as to why people are upset.

It's the fact that with rule 4, any admin is able to determine what is NSFW or not - if something that you'd see in a TV-14 TV-show is determined NSFW, and is admined to the point where it has to be snipped, what's the point of having the 16 year age restriction. 

"Determining a site to be NSFW is invariably subjective, and poses challenges for academics who study sexuality Attwood, Feona; I. Q. Hunter (October 2009). The difficulty in identifying such content objectively has led to the creation of online tools to help individuals to identify NSFW content. NSFW has particular relevance for individuals attempting to make personal use of the Internet at workplaces or schools which have policies prohibiting (even inadvertent) access to sexually provocative and graphic subject matter." 

If it is that big of an issue that staff and the community are unable to come to a definition of what NSFW is then it needs to be brought under the parental guidelines list of restrictions. e.g TV-14 or TV-MA. 

From my understanding of previous communities, and general knowledge; a fucking movie scene isn't NSFW.

Posting real gore, porn, people dying and pictures of human waste is NSFW. If you post over the MA line then your post should be removed, sure - but a scene from a movie, or a minion with ironic text taking the piss out of 'soccer mom minion memes' isn't NSFW.

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Why do u want to post memes on a dayz forum anyway? Dont u have facebook? ?

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Certain movie scenes can be used in those threads @Stannis like certain KOS ones in inglorious bastards.

Rolle explained why not sure why you're all shitting yourselves over this, it's not a big deal lmao. Google ratings bring people in, were the top suggestion on google when people search 'DayZ role play or just 'DayZRP' and as he explained it's better to stay that way.

GM's closed the shit, not the Admins.. My video was snipped because I forgot the scene used the N word in it, I was about to edit it out when I realised but Para had already closed it.

Big fiasco over, you can all remove the tin foil hats and return to your daily routines.

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10 minutes ago, Stannis said:

- Snip. -

I'm sorry but the TV Rating system does not determine what my company believes to be NSFW. Or any company/school/public area in fact. Having something PG-13, or hell even PG, could still be grounds for termination if caught viewing it at work due to the content. Also, "Django Unchained is rated R by the MPAA for strong graphic violence throughout, a vicious fight, language and some nudity." Which was already a post in the thread, in which the N word was spoken. So...

So, saying "Oh the community is 16+ we should be allowed to post content from movies/shows/tv/games/whatever with a 16+ rating" isn't going to fly. Rolle has stated, as I quoted previous, we are SFW on the forums. And he has stated his reasons on why he wants the forums to be this way. 

If anyone is unsure about if their post is NSFW or not. Don't post it, if you're worried it MAY be considered NSFW then don't post it or ask a Staff Member if you feel it must REALLY be posted.

The point of the matter is, it is not appropriate thread to have on the forums BECAUSE people will inevitably post something that would get Points, and snipped. 

To prevent this, we killed the thread early to avoid any issues and any drama. 

End of story. 

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