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Mortico

S1, Invalid initiation, BadRP, No regard for Hostage Safety

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Server and location: S1 Tisy Military Base

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): Unknown, was dark out

Your in game name: Liam Axeman

Names of allies involved: N/A

Name of suspect/s:  Scott Thane, two unknowns

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any):  NA

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):  Will Post video below when uploaded.

Detailed description of the events: I enter Tisy, hear shots and approach carefully, before i have time to really think two guys pop out and start talking to me like i'm their best friend , one keeps talking about my gun and wants to trade some ammo, after another person shows up and we have some more small talk, they initiate on me and proceed to take anything that was useful (they left me with almost nothing, an unloaded pistol and some other useless stuff) they took all 3 of my guns and left me with very little to defend myself. after some questions and talking they escort me to a tower and tell me to count to 160, before i do this i ask for water because i had that sickness you get from drinking pond water that makes you thirsty all the time. they tell me they have none (they knew beforehand that i was sick and needed lots of water) so i say fuck it and go up the tower and start counting out loud, once i get to around 110 one of them walks up to me and tells me to start over or die (he knew i was thirsty and still decided to make me take almost twice as long to count) after i restart and eventually get to 160 i break out and begin trying to find some loot, i realize i'm dying and try to make my way to the pond nearby but i fell unconscious before i could make it there.

(I would like to add that i see no wrong in robbing someone for their gun IF you can make it enjoyable and you are equipped to deal with a hostage, which these men were not, and as you'll see in the video the RP they provided was simply not enjoyable.)

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Heres the video, Everything after the time that i escape is me ranting to me friend then dying

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So, i have a quick question. @Mortico,

At roughly 28 mins in, you are released and are on orange thirst. At 29:26 you literally see a pipsi on the floor and have orange thirst, but chose not to drink it? At roughly 31 mins you start dying of dehydration and then at 34 mins you are still in Tisy... looting around?

Did your survival not play a significant part at all during those 6 minutes? You can travel a great distance in 6 minutes. Why would you continue to loot the military base if you were that low on thirst and health?

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3 hours ago, Para said:

So, i have a quick question. @Mortico,

At roughly 28 mins in, you are released and are on orange thirst. At 29:26 you literally see a pipsi on the floor and have orange thirst, but chose not to drink it? At roughly 31 mins you start dying of dehydration and then at 34 mins you are still in Tisy... looting around?

Did your survival not play a significant part at all during those 6 minutes? You can travel a great distance in 6 minutes. Why would you continue to loot the military base if you were that low on thirst and health?

Honestly i didn't see the pipsi, i would've drank it if i did, as for looting around i've found PET bottles in barracks lots of times, when i died i was right beside a pond that i was going to.

I admit i could've been a little more hasty to get some water, but if my hostage takers had taken better care of me it wouldn't have been an issue

Edited by Mortico

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@Mortico please update the title of your report with the date and rough time

Edit From @Para & @Oisin: We're having difficulty finding a death log, did you die or did you disconnect whilst unconscious?

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4 hours ago, Oisin said:

@Mortico please update the title of your report with the date and rough time

Edit From @Para & @Oisin: We're having difficulty finding a death log, did you die or did you disconnect whilst unconscious?

I respawned when i fell unconsious as i stood no chance of surviving

I will update the title when i get home from work.

Edited by Mortico

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Connection Logs:

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06:07:03 | Player "Liam Axeman" is connected

06:42:10 | Player "Liam Axeman has been disconnected

 

05:46:35 | Player "Scott Thane" is connected

06:26:31 | Player "Scott Thane has been disconnected

06:29:10 | Player "Scott Thane" is connected

 

Hit Logs:

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06:23:24 | "Scott Thane HIT Liam Axeman by fist into RightLeg."
06:23:24 | "Scott Thane HIT Liam Axeman by fist into RightLeg."
06:23:24 | "Scott Thane HIT Liam Axeman by fist into RightLeg."

Death Logs:

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N/A

Chat Logs:

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06:12:23 | Chat("Scott Thane): *Removes radio*

Calling in @Liberty Berntson for his full POV, please list your allies and upload any unedited video evidence you had.

Furthermore, why did you disconnect for 3 minutes at 06:26:31?

@Liberty Berntson Will be temp banned until he has responded as he hasn't been online since March 14th

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 From my point of view, my friends and I (In game names Adam Chase and Greg Larsky) were in the Tisy Military base when we were surprised by a man in all black, and we needed water and food so we decided to rob him. He told us twice that we needed water and told us once that he was sick. He didnt tell us how sick or how thirsty he was. We gave him all the water we had and he asked again soon after. At that time we didnt have any extra water because we gave him all of ours. We left him ammo for the pistol at the base of the tower and judging by his video he had plenty of time to get to a pond or Sinistok which has a water fountain in it. While we were robbing him, I remember him asking for water. The first time he asked Adam Chase went out his way to get him water, the second time we were planning on heading out, and we didn't have any left. When we left we put him in a tower away from zombies. I would like to say, I'm sorry the RP wasn't enjoyable for you, and I'm sorry we left you with little equipment, but I didn't do any of the looting. The increment of time in which I left was because my game crashed, as it does plenty of times, all the time, due to the fact I don't really have the PC to optimally run most games. Which leads into my next topic of, I can't record games. @Oisin @Para @Mortico

Edited by Liberty Berntson

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3 minutes ago, Liberty Berntson said:

-snip-

Thank you for your response, your temporary ban has been lifted.

I would also ask that you please list the forum names of your allies. Thank you!

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@Liberty Berntson thank you,

Calling in @Adam Chase and @Urban_Sniper to post their full and detailed PoVs. Additionally, please also upload and link any video evidence you may have, full and unedited.

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me, urban and Scott all started to loot the military base (tisy) and towards bottom tents i saw a man in full black and 2 members (urban and I) robbed him and i didn't have much of a role in the interaction due to me posting up security and patrolling the tents the only moments i had an interaction with him is when i have gave the man the rest of my water and when i looted him of his UMP and shot 1 round of in the air as instructed by Scott and then i went back to patrolling the area and then escorted him to the tower and waited for a Scott to log back on and then we instructed him to count and we left him

Sincerely, Adam Chase @Para

Edited by Adam Chase

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@ParaMe and my two friends were in the mili base when a man walked through the front gate by the sandbags. We played it off nicely trying to see if he had any food we started to rob him because we needed the food and water desperately. he asked for water twice to my recollection. and i only remember the words I'm sick passing by once, I left in the middle to go investigate some shots coming from deeper in the mili base. I met a Russian man we talked for a few mins when i left. We put him up in a tower away from zombies where i told him to count to one sixty. we waited a second because Scott's game crashed. Two or three guys came out of the woods warning us of wolves so we had to wait a little longer so i instructed him to start his counting over for our safety. I left him 9mm rounds for his pistol at the foot of the tower and like you said @Para he found a pipsi in the first 30 seconds of being free. Thanks for the help!

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I understand that you may not have had extra water, but you guys didnt take into account that i was thirsty when you made me restart counting. And how was i expected to find 9mm rounds that you placed in grass instead of you putting them in my bag?

@Urban_Sniper

@Adam Chase

@Liberty Berntson

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@Mortico @Para I'm sorry, honestly I am, like I said we we'll work on our Hostage RP, but in all fairness you were sick and thirsty before we captured you, and even out of roleplay in the beginning of the video you aren't sick, nor anywhere in the video does it say you're sick. As a matter of fact your hydration was light green at the time we captured you. Even regarding our roleplay, you had a full 6 minutes to go to a pond and throw up to get rid of your sickness, both before and after we captured you. I'm very sorry again, and if we meet again in game and IF we somehow end up capturing you in game, we will definitely be more prepared and equipped to handle such tasks.

Edited by Liberty Berntson

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11 hours ago, Liberty Berntson said:

@Mortico @Para I'm sorry, honestly I am, like I said we we'll work on our Hostage RP, but in all fairness you were sick and thirsty before we captured you, and even out of roleplay in the beginning of the video you aren't sick, nor anywhere in the video does it say you're sick. As a matter of fact your hydration was light green at the time we captured you. Even regarding our roleplay, you had a full 6 minutes to go to a pond and throw up to get rid of your sickness, both before and after we captured you. I'm very sorry again, and if we meet again in game and IF we somehow end up capturing you in game, we will definitely be more prepared and equipped to handle such tasks.

Cholera doesn't give you a notification when you're sick, and you cant throw it up. in the video you can see how fast i dehydrate. And i was about 30 metres from a pond when i died, that is where i was going.

Next time you have a hostage that says they're thirsty, maybe find them something to drink before making them count to 160, twice.

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Verdict:

@Mortico [NVFL]: Guilty.
@Liberty Berntson [Invalid Kill - roleplayed, BadRP]: Not Guilty.
@Adam Chase [Invalid Kill - roleplayed, BadRP]: Not Guilty.
@Urban_Sniper [Invalid Kill - roleplayed, BadRP]: Not Guilty.

Explanation:

To recap the situation, Mortico is at Tisy when they bump into @Liberty Berntson and his friends. Some roleplay occurs before Mortico is initiated upon and consequently robbed. Unknown to the bandits, Mortico is sick and requires water. They give him some water, and after some lengthy roleplay, they release him. Mortico then loots around tisy before falling unconscious due to blood from from dehydration.

Firstly we shall address the claims of invalid hostage care, which would result in an invalid kill if guilty. In this situation, as can be seen at 10:00 in the OP's video, the hostage takers do attempt to give him water when he asks for it. This is an example of the hostage takers actually attempting to keep their hostage alive. Now, yes the Op was sick at the time, however this was by no fault of the hostage taker's party. The OP also claims that he is feeling better shortly after when asked. Furthermore, as is seen 29:21 of the OP's video, you actually walk past a potential drink, something that was not the hostage takers fault. Adding onto this, at 33:38 of the video, you actually acknowledge one of the many nearby water sources that you could have gone to. Despite this, you chose to spend time looting a new bag instead. In this situation, you are aware of at least 2 sources of hydration, yet you were either ignortant or chose not to prioritise them. This is not the fault of the hostage takers that you died of water, thus they have not been found guilty of invalid kill.

However, in this situation we can see that your actions seemed to indicate a lack of value for your characters life. The big part of this comes from you respawning before you actually died. This is shown by no death logs actually occurring from your side. Whilst your situation was dire, it is technically NVFL to log out or respawn whilst unconscious as you're prematurely killing your character. This, combined with the explanation above, shows that you had little regard for your own life in actuality. During the video, you ignored a pipsi, and you chose to prioritise swapping a bag whilst dying of dehydration. Combining these two things, you have been found guilty of NVFL. The following rule was broken:

  • 5.6 Do not act in a way that indicates no value for your characters life and survival. 

Lastly we will come to the claims of BadRP. Whilst the RP in this situation wasn't amazing, as can be seen from the video, the hostage takers in this situation spent a good amount of time actually roleplaying with you, giving you RP to back up the robbery. Whilst one was the focus, in an area that is usually populated by both players and zombies, it makes sense for them to send people around to do perimeter checks and this is actually roleplayed out. We see no reason to find them guilty of BadRP in this situation, what they gave was sufficient as to not break the following rule:

  • 6.3.1 As an attacker you may NOT:
    • - Attack other players just for the sake of gear by doing a quick robbery that involves little to no role play.

As is stated from @Urban_Sniper's pov, "we started to rob him because we needed the food and water desperately." This is reasoning to initiate, they had a need for supplies and did not do a quick robbery with little roleplay. 

Outcome:

@Mortico [NVFL]: Punishment (3 ban days & 10 warning points).
@Liberty Berntson
[Invalid Kill - Roleplayed, BadRP]: No Punishment
@Urban_Sniper [Invalid Kill - Roleplayed, BadRP]: No Punishment
@Adam Chase [Invalid Kill - Roleplayed, BadRP]: No Punishment

Verdict by @Para & @Stagsview & @Oisin.

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