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S1 - Attempted Invalid Kill(s) - Novy Sobor - 04-22-18 - Not Sure

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Server and location:  S1 Novy sobor

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME):  logs will show

Your in game name:  Fyodr Belokov

Names of allies involved:  Anarchy boys and civilians in town

Name of suspect/s:  @Eddie

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): V3S Chasis

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):  Eddie's VOD and Media Thread, https://www.twitch.tv/videos/253033296 around 1 hour and 5 minutes in.

Detailed description of the events:  We were sitting in town when we hear that there was a truck approaching. Upon seeing the truck we tell the many civilians and innocent people to get in the Church. Realizing this must be purposeful I drop the initiation and begin firing. In conclusion this is mainly to clarify what this is considered, because to be honest running that many zombies into a town full of random civilians RP'ing in order to possibly kill a few Anarchy boys is irresponsible. As seen in a report before, your intention does not matter when you put the lives of so many people in danger, who keep in mind, you have absolutely no kill rights on what so ever.

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Connection Logs:

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20:21:25 | Player "Eddie Sorella" is connected 
- No Disconnect.-

19:01:01 | Player "Fyodr Belokov" is connected
- No Disconnect.- 

19:50:42 | Player "Joey Phillips" is connected
- No Disconnect.- 

20:25:02 | Player "Aaron Miller" is connected 
- No Disconnect. -

19:01:31 | Player "Boris Orlov" is connected
- No Disconnect -

21:20:13 | Player "Angelina Valentine" is connected
22:53:35 | Player "Angelina Valentine" has been disconnected

--- No Disconnects due to Server Restart.

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Hit Logs: 

N/A - Logs don't always show up for ricochet.

Death Logs:

N/A

Chat Logs: 

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22:13:18 | Chat("Fyodr Belokov"): Stopor die

 

Already posted PoV; @G19RP - Fyodr Belokov. @Eddie - Eddie Sorella, @Puncture - Joey Phillips, , @KyleRP - Aaron Miller 

 

Calling in @Sophie - Angelina Valentine,  to post their full PoV along with any Allies and any/all unedited video Evidence. 

 

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I was not there when this happened. Also this incident didn't happen yesterday as i was in Novy last night and didn't see any of this. The only time i have had an interaction with @Eddie was when Anarchy interrogated him on the 21st. I hope this helps  @Brayces

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@G19RP, did you die due to the horde coming into town? Please link the character- or forum names of the people who died. 

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Aaron Miller POV: so Angelina Valentine walks into town so we initiate on her and take her into the church, we talk to her and torture her before we hear a truck drive past and a bunch of zombies run into the church, we kill them all and the boys proceed to chase down eddie in a fast and furious car chase, meanwhile we PK Alexa Valentine and then we get word they got Eddie so we take him into the church, torture him a bit before server restart, when the server restarts im pointing my gun at Eddie and I try and change my gamma, it bugs out and I accidentally Kill him, we talked it out on teamspeak and he said it was cool so I asked for perms to log and went to bed.

PS. I forgot Boris was even there, sorry Eddie :D

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Ehm i think thats the wrong logs if im not stupid. 

Boris POV: were in novy took @Sophie hostage @Eddie drives up a truck with 40+ infected after him. He drops all of them in novy and speeds away G19 drops a initiation and hits him one time. Mean while myself screams to everyone GET INTO THE CHURCH as there were infected all over the place. But the church door were bugged so they keept coming inside. So we fhougt for our lives inside the church firing everything we got.

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Eddie Sorella's POV:

As you can see in the video above I did drive a horde of infected into Novy as I knew @BorisRP would most likely be there and my character was hell bent on getting revenge on him. See I had reasoning for my actions as @BorisRP had killed my IC wife Alexa Valentine and most of Anarchy were at the Wedding so my character seen this as a spit in the face as they now refer to her as 'whore, bitch' & other things trying to provoke my character. I knew the church could hold the capacity of civilians and was unaware the church doors would be 'bugged'. I drove the vehicle into Novy and heard @BorisRP yell to everyone to get into the church and as I drove past the church I yelled out "Fuck you Boris!" I started to hear shots ring out and I take off and as I round the corner I take a shot to the leg by I beleive @G19RP. I drive up to Novo and ditch the truck.

End of POV

I would like to state that this is an Apocalyptic setting where survival is key and I was using what this environment gave me which to seek revenge, my intentions were not to hurt civilians just to send a message to Anarchy.

*I would like to state that I did get permission from Admins and @Rolle for the horde of infected to be used*

As stated above by @SgtSmithy this happened on the 21st.

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Since i was in the church when it happend, i would just like to say, i think its exciting that so many infected came at one time, this is a survival game. And also i saw that you used my old report as an example, and i would just like to say, in that report, he closed an infected in a room with me, when i was afk, so it is a bit diffrent. It makes perfect sense to me that you would use infected, when they are in the game, and you guys were not unarmed. 

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We were in the church holding @Sophie hostage. We hear a truck outside and 30 some zombies come out, truck stops in front of the church, and we had 4 of us with AK/AUG/M4's mowing them down inside the church, and like 4 people outside doing the same.

 

Had we of not been in a hostile situation with Sophie, I don't think we would of had that many guns ready- and could of easily gotten swarmed.

 

At no point was there an initiation, or was there any form of immediate-prior interactions with Eddie.

 

In the spoiled report in the OP, it is stated:

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Vartax, its quite obvious what your intentions were in this situation. You wanted the zombie to attack her instead of doing it yourself. Whether it was because you thought she was afk or not, that is irrelevant. You tried to kill someone without having proper rights to do so and for that reason you will be receiving a punishment for Attempted Invalid Kill (On Sight).

 

So why is it a known rule-break to drive zombies into people(Attempted RDM), but now Admin team/Rolle are giving permission to Staff members to do it?

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3 minutes ago, G19RP said:

@Eddie, thanks for the clarification. But for the question still stands, does this mean I can do the same thing to enemy camps we find? And if so, say someone dies as a result, does that mean it’s RDM on my part ? I believe it’s a very important answer to set because it feels like the use of zombies to kill someone you have no rights on could result in an outright abuse of the mechanic. And as we’ve seen in the past, multiple people have been punished for doing so.

That is something for the Admin team to clarify @G19RP . Let me ask you this: You say I had no rights to do what I did but as stated in the chat logs above why did it give you guys rights to execute me for something that happened a day before?

00:56:23 | Chat("Fyodr Belokov": //Eddie, perms to pk?
00:56:56 | Chat("Fyodr Belokov": //perms to execute? not pk

00:56:57 | Chat("Joey Phillips": //perms to execute even though im pretty sure we do

00:57:17 | Chat("Aaron Miller": // he shot us at prison island so we have perms for exec.

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Just now, Eddie said:

 

That is something for the Admin team to clarify @G19RP . Let me ask you this: You say I had no rights to do what I did but as stated in the chat logs above why did it give you guys rights to execute me for something that happened a day before?

00:56:23 | Chat("Fyodr Belokov": //Eddie, perms to pk?
00:56:56 | Chat("Fyodr Belokov": //perms to execute? not pk

00:56:57 | Chat("Joey Phillips": //perms to execute even though im pretty sure we do

00:57:17 | Chat("Aaron Miller": // he shot us at prison island so we have perms for exec.

9.2 A character that is taken hostage may only be executed once for a hostile incident that happened in the past where the hostage was responsible for, or participated in death of your ally.

There has been loads of prior hostile interactions, and raids(the event two saturdays ago) and sort led by your character, rights don't just 'expire'.

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2 hours ago, Eddie said:

 

That is something for the Admin team to clarify @G19RP . Let me ask you this: You say I had no rights to do what I did but as stated in the chat logs above why did it give you guys rights to execute me for something that happened a day before?

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So that grants you rights to pull zombies into town and try and kill everyone? people who weren't even with anarchy?

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9 minutes ago, KyleRP said:

 

So that grants you rights to pull zombies into town and try and kill everyone? people who weren't even with anarchy?

If you read my POV @KyleRP  I stated:

3 hours ago, Eddie said:

I would like to state that this is an Apocalyptic setting where survival is key and I was using what this environment gave me which to seek revenge, my intentions were not to hurt civilians just to send a message to Anarchy.

Like I said my character was sending a message to Anarchy, it's unfortunate the doors of the church were bugged. I knew there was plenty of places to take shelter if need be. 

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11 minutes ago, Eddie said:

If you read my POV @KyleRP  I stated:

Like I said my character was sending a message to Anarchy, it's unfortunate the doors of the church were bugged. I knew there was plenty of places to take shelter if need be. 

Its still attempted RDM, there was no initiation, how is it fair that staff can now ask admins to break rules but if we asked we would most likely have our request denied?

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@Eddie do you recall what day you asked Rolle and admins for permission to do this?

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@Brayces I was not there when @Eddie drove in to novy with zombies behind him.

Joey Phillips POV

So me and @G19RP escorted @Eddie in to novy and we kept him hostage inside of the church, after doing some roleplay and torture we begin walking him outside of the church and the server restarts. Once we get back in @KyleRP's game some how glitches and he shoots Eddie in the back of the head.

 

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Yes @Brady, it was Saturday the 21st .

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Calling in @Oliv to post his POV on the TS conversation he had on Saturday the 21st.  Did you give Eddie  permission to attract a hoard of zombies into the town?

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@Brady, the time in TS was around 4:45-4:50 I believe when I asked if that helps.

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I recall someone asking about bringing a horde to Novy, I do not recall exactly who as there was several people in the TS chat at that time and I was playing another game. There has never been an issue with hordes or infected, they are a part of the game. I did state that doing so would be grounds for valid initiation reasons. I also mentioned that someone had done the same thing the week/weekend before (although I was not aware of anyone asking about this prior to it happening at that time).

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Angelina Valtentines pov: i can't tell you something new. I arrived in novy sobor, to talk to the Anarchy, i got taken into the church, where we talk and so on, be getting tied up. I then here boris scream for people to go into the church, and they close the doors, but a horde of infected came in anyway, and the anarchy shot all the infected right inside of the church door. And then we continued, and i got killed. 

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Logs have been updated, bear in mind that, despite there being no logs to prove @Eddie was shot, due to problems with the server picking up ricochet, the evidence provided seemingly proves otherwise.

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Verdict:

@Eddie [Attempted Invalid Kill(s) - Roleplayed]: Guilty

Explanation:

Firstly, the Staff Team would like to apologize for the delay on this Report. We had several discussions going that prevented this Report from being closed sooner. 

First, trailing a group of infected onto a target is not what is considered Attempted Invalid Kill(s) - Roleplayed. The fact is Eddie had no way of being able to correctly ID all targets in the town in order to enact a hostile action on them. There were innocent people in the town not affiliated with Anarchy, whom could of been killed due to his actions. We remind all players that they must correctly ID all targets before enacting hostile actions upon them. This is to avoid MisIDs. Furthermore, in this situation @Eddie would've been required to actually initiate on the anarchy members in order to have gained kill rights to lure the infected horde to them validly. Because he had no kill rights on anybody in this situation, Eddie was found guilty.

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Kill on Sight means killing another player without any role play interaction or IC justification. Always confirm your targets in game - if uncertain about a players identity it's better to hold fire than to risk a KoS.
Kill rights are a self-defense mechanism, allowing a player to defend themselves or retaliate with deadly force for a hostile action taken against them. Kill rights are usually obtained after other players have initiated a hostile action upon you.

Though, Eddie did seek permission from a Admin (Oliv) and a Gamemaster (Oisin) whom both advised him his action would be permitted but still be subjected to the rules we have in place. Due to this aspect we have to consider that he did attempt to seek permission and was granted it, though not in detail. Because of this we are lowering the punishment. In the future, we advise ONLY use infected hordes on groups, that you have initiated on, as long as you can fully confirm and ID ALL targets you intend to release them on.

Outcome:

@Eddie [Attempted Invalid Kill(s) - Roleplayed]: Verbal Warning

Verdict by @Brayces, @Para & @Harvey, @Stagsview

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