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natERP's Aggravated Ban Appeal

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Link to the source of punishment (report/post): 

 

Why the verdict is not fair: Well, from what I can perceive reading the verdict states that "Knowing full well the OP is AFK, you chose to make a demand against him that would force him to either move or die. This is shown at 04:12 of the OPs video."

Right, so, we can all agree that for the absence seizures that the OP is dealing with, that's a pretty urgent reason to have to go AFK, and a pretty valid one at that. However, the wording in the delivery of the final verdict made it seem like no one even bothered to read my POV. I literally state in my point of view, which is both shown in the video as well, that I am not there when Panda is told the OP has to go AFK in the OOC chat. At this point in time in the video, I am running from Kabanino to where Panda is on the hill to catch up to them after falling behind. Knowing full well that they have a hostage and that the hostage is complying to their demands, I really have nothing to worry about until I arrive with Panda's character who's with the hostage.

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Upon my arrival at the hostage, Panda tells me to watch over the hostage until he gets back from dealing with the reinforcements coming to save the hostage. (At this point, both ICly and OOCly, none of us know whether or not the people who wore the white armbands, identifying with the same one the OP was wearing, are coming to legitimately kill us, all we know is that if they are coming back, they must know that the man we're holding hostage, has been TAKEN HOSTAGE.) He IMMEDIATELY runs off to help our other boys, and I take over. Not aware that the hostage is obviously AFK because of the lack of communication from me listening for gunshots in-game and dealing with the hostage at the same time, I give the hostage simple demands without a threat at first, "Move, move, come on" is something along the jist of what I said. When he doesn't move, I begin a countdown, I reach the end of the countdown, I hesitate, check his pulse to make sure his game didn't crash at the last bit of the countdown, and I dome him because of the fact I dunno whether dude's could literally be watching me waiting for me to either kill him or get out of the way from behind him so they could possibly take me out.

Additional statements/comments explaining your point of view: Now, again, here is my POV from the report where I literally state that I did NOT know the hostage was AFK. Had I known that the hostage was legitimately AFK and dealing with his seizures, sure, I would have legitimate leniency. But let's be honest, he didn't even state that that's what he's dealing with in-game, he just says "// AFK 30 Seconds" out of the blue.

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In all honesty, the verdict made me seem like the only reason I killed him was because I wanted some free gear from an innocent person having a seizure outside the game that no one even knew about until a report was made explaining it. (As if gear even matters on this server to literally anyone?)

What would you like to achieve with this appeal: If this reiterated explanation wont earn me an unban at all, let's shoot for at least a downgrade from an aggravated ban to a standard "invalid kill - roleplay" punishment.

What could you have done better?: I guess we could have all communicated a bit better, Panda and I were both muted which is why we exchange a conversation in-game to hear gunshots and deal with the hostages if need be.

I asked if we could close the report because of the fact that myself and the OP had talked about it, in the case I legitimately did do something wrong, I apologized anyway and made sure he was satisfied with closing it.

In fact, closing it was entirely his decision. We just came to an agreement to do so because the entire situation was one really big misunderstanding and obviously talking about it would have prevented it from happening again. It happens, you know? I dunno, if it didn't work out and I ended up getting into a second report killing someone for being AFK, I would have understood that because then it would seem that my intentions would have been just to kill someone, and in my opinion, would have seem justified to have even aggravated as done in this report.

EDIT: I also went to find the part of the rule discussing about being AFK whilst in-game being "at your own risk" as my argument, but can't seem to find it anymore. Does that mean that going AFK holds no value anymore? Can you just go AFK anywhere and that not be in anyone else's favor as far as robbing your or even killing you, if in a situation where it permits it?

Where is the clarification for either side, people that go AFK or people that encounter AFK's if there is no more clarification in the rules?

First-time situations for this for people deserve an aggravation?

Edited by NateRP

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Hello @NateRP,

A separate team of staff has taken a look through your appeal and come to the following conclusion;

Looking through your appeal as well as the report, we see no reason to take the ban away. Watching through the video, you walk around the OP for about 2 minutes trying to speak to him and it was quite obvious he was AFK. Even if you weren't there for his OOC chat it is not that hard to find out from the 2-3 other people that were around you. He was quite clearly AFK, and instead of killing him you could've just waited a few more moments for him to come back and to continue RP. In the future, refrain from killing hostages especially when they're AFK. There are ways to go about it instead of killing him and ending the RP. 

All that being said, we see no reason to aggravate this punishment. You are a first time offender, and the kill itself was not meant in a malicious manner. With that being said your ban will be reduced from an aggravated ban to a normal Invalid Kill - Roleplayed ban(3 days 10 points).

Outcome:

Ban reduced to normal punishment

Signed by @Brady and @Oisin

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