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2018-04-03 approx 04:20 Invalid Initiation

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Server and location: DayZ Server S1 EU, Novy Sober

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME):  2018-04-03, approximatly 04:20

Your in game name:  Stefan Reznicek

Names of allies involved:  Hal Stiles (Flek), Dimon Andonov (cpt), Oskar Hosek (Stannis)

 

Name of suspect/s: Not sure, they're Anarchy though.

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): 2 trucks, I was in the last one.

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): Unfortunatly, no. But the logs should reveal what's appropiate.

Detailed description of the events: 

We started the day doing the normal stuff that we do. Gathering water, supplies - that kind of thing. Normal DayZ stuff. We then notice that @Major has a new radio broadcast up. Of course, we investigate as it's relevant to our roleplay arc. We get a location (which can be revealed to admins in direct messages if it's relevant) and we head up there in two trucks. Everything's fine, we pick up one of our friends on the way and we eventually approach Novy Sober. Naturally, as it's Anarchy's home base, they're present at the town. Since we have no official problems with the group, we thought nothing would happen. The first truck speeds by, but the truck I'm driving, with Hal Stiles besides me, gets stuck trying to go up the hill. Struggling with the gears, I hear a snarky comment "Nice driving dude!" All cool, funny joke - whatever. We eventually get over and begin to drive off. There, the initiation must've happened? I'm not sure, all I hear is mumbling and I begin to drive off. I just thought it was the dude that was joking around either congratulating me on finally making it up or cracking another joke. There was no text initiation. Then they open fire and I'm knocked unconscious and my friend (Hal Stiles) is taken, hostage. Now, I'm sitting there unconscious with no way of telling what's going on. Eventually, I wake up bleeding. I'm forced out of the car and the RP was good. I'm told to get into a house (at this point I had no attention to my wounds), complying, I enter. I then fall unconscious again, due to my wounds. After the situation, my friend lets me know that they did, in fact, bandage me up and attend to my wounds. Sometime during that, I must've gotten up. I was unconscious on my screen so I just sat there doing nothing. They shot me, fair enough. They probably thought I was fail-rping. The report isn't about that, however, it's about this:

6.5 When initiating hostile action upon a vehicle you must always use text to prevent miscommunication.

Our roleplay arc was put to a stop due to a simple false initiation. If I even knew I was initiated on, I would've stopped the vehicle and complied. If there was a text initiation and I was just blind, sincere apologies. I just want to clear this up so both parties can know where they went wrong and improve in their respective playstyles.

 

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my pov(video somewhat irrelevant, no rule breaking in the video itself.):

Was driver of first truck, sped through the town and radioed back to the second truck just to gun it through the town. They got stuck and a volley of shots are heard. We lose radio contact completely, his co-passenger manages to yell out that they're being shot then soon after his radio is taken. We park further up the road to observe what's going on.

(Video) Anarchy must've seen our shitty sneaking skills and decided to flank around to see whats going on, we did initiate on them, which gives them rights to shoot us, but it's a shame it ended up in just shooting one another instead of some sort of standoff RP. Somewhat disappointed by the outcome, but it's fair. 

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My POV:

2 Trucks rolled up in Novy, I don't know where one of them went but the other one struggled to take a turn. We noticed yellow armbands which makes them suspicious because they could be Res Publica which are one of our enemies. We ask them to stop but they keep driving, Louie ran after the truck and typed 'stop the truck/car or die' (Not sure) in chat. So the initiation is valid in my opinion.

Edited by TheRedOne

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Two cars rolled through town and I noticed they had yellow armbands on which is the color Res Publica is/was wearing and are known Anarchy enemies. I point it out and stand back as the cars roll through town. Red, Louie, and I believe the Gatekeeper chase after the car saying hello and asking them to stop. The car keeps going and Red types in chat "stop the car" which was ignored then Louie types "stop the car or die" and then proceeds to tell them the same command in voip. Louie was closer to the truck than me due to me staying back knowing if the car doesn't stop there may be an issue and I was able to hear/see both.

Shots are fired and the truck stops. The driver was shot and unconscious and they took the passenger out of the car. People were yelling about the two people on the hill and the hostage is escorted into a home. The driver wakes up and is also escorted into the house. I was watching outside and when I went inside he appeared to be unconscious. There was an interrogation of the passenger and then they tried to interrogate the driver.  He was still/silent for a while but he did move IG and turn around a bit which Louie told him he knew that he could hear him since he was moving around in the house. He was given a countdown to talk after a few minutes of silence was shot. Everyone ran outside except me due to the shooters on the hill and I chatted with the passenger. Louie came back in and interrogated him some more and he was released. 

I'm not sure if you weren't paying attention but Louie was right on the truck and dropped a text initiation after Red also typed in chat telling you to stop and then initiated via viop and I was further away from him than you and saw/heard it all.

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14 minutes ago, TheRedOne said:

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2 minutes ago, stage said:

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I'm happy to agree after logs are posted in the report. Thanks for the quick answers though. I never saw any initation and to clarify about me running around the house, it was clearly a glitch on my end. I'm not worried nor upset about that, don't worry. On my screen, I was unconscious and I thought I was being bandaged or being bloodbagged. Eventually, I died and I just assumed it was a mistake or you guys didn't have the right gear with you.

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Just now, Xavier said:

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Yeah absolutely! I'm sure logs will be posted soon. I miss chat all the time so I get it. Sorry you got shot! It looked like you were moving around and refusing to chat. 

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Just now, stage said:

Yeah absolutely! I'm sure logs will be posted soon. I miss chat all the time so I get it. Sorry you got shot! It looked like you were moving around and refusing to chat. 

No problem at all. I just want to clarify what happened, as it ruined the roleplay we were doing at the time.

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I'll just throw in what I was as 'the gatekeeper'. I was the bloke in the highlighter-green t-shirt and highlighter-blue armband.

So; We see two v3s driving through novy. One goes past no problem, the other get's stuck, we see yellow armbands and yell over and over stuff like

'hey mate stop the care we need to talk' and 'please stop we need to have a talk bud' while running alongside it.

Louie drops the 'stop the car or die' in chat, me being about 5 or so feet from the car, I saw the text, and it appeared that you sped up as we text initiated, so we assumed you were just running.

Open fire, run up on hill on flanking maneuver, trade with the friend up at the hill as you can see in @Stannis's video.

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Just now, LemonLime said:

-snippidy-

 

Happy to accept this. Multiple non-faction members, multiple accounts. Thanks for the clarification guys.

L&A, if the admins are happy to do that.

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1 minute ago, Xavier said:

Happy to accept this. Multiple non-faction members, multiple accounts. Thanks for the clarification guys.

L&A, if the admins are happy to do that.

yeah mate sorry it ended in gunfire all around, but hope it doesn't leave a bad taste or anything. :)

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Wasn't around for the initiation as I was looking for whomever had recently shot around town. Heard a ton of gunfire in town and rush back where I see OP unconscious in truck (we honestly thought he was dead)  and one more being restrained. Was told there were others up the hill,  later pushed them, got initiated on and died.

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Connection Logs:

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02:58:53 | Player "Stefan Reznicek" is connected
-Died-

03:40:01 | Player "Oskar Hosek" is connected
-Died-

04:39:48 | Player "Hal Stiles" is connected
06:12:21 | Player "Hal Stiles" has been disconnected

04:49:49 | Player "Dimon Andonov" is connected
-Died-

04:15:24 | Player "Luke Krey" is connected
-Server Restart-

04:38:24 | Player "Redwan Troost" is connected
-Server Restart-

02:51:08 | Player "Aleksei Novak" is connected 
-Died-

04:20:53 | Player "Nikolai Pysanki" is connected
-Died-

01:00:45 | Player "Alan Greene" is connected
-Died-

04:38:59 | Player "Corrin Chamberlin" is connected
-Server Restart-

04:38:01 | Player "Natalya Wilkova" is connected
-Server Restart-

 

Hit Logs:

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05:08:40 | "Luke Krey SHOT Stefan Reznicek by AKM into Head."
05:20:04 | "Redwan Troost SHOT Stefan Reznicek by M4A1 into head."
05:20:11 | "Dimon Andonov SHOT Aleksei Novak by AKM into LeftLeg."
05:20:12 | "Aleksei Novak SHOT Oskar Hosek by Fal into LeftArm."
05:20:12 | "Aleksei Novak SHOT Oskar Hosek by Fal into Chest."
05:20:13 | "Dimon Andonov SHOT Aleksei Novak by AKM into Chest."
05:20:13 | "Nikolai Pysanki SHOT Dimon Andonov by ShotgunMp133 into leftarm."
05:20:14 | "Dimon Andonov SHOT Alan Greene by AKM into LeftArm
05:20:15 | "Dimon Andonov SHOT Alan Greene by AKM into Chest."
05:20:15 | "Dimon Andonov SHOT Alan Greene by AKM into head."
05:20:15 | "Natalya Wilkova SHOT Dimon Andonov by SVD into RightLeg."
05:20:35 | "Luke Krey SHOT Nikolai Pysanki by AKM into rightleg."
05:20:35 | "Redwan Troost SHOT Nikolai Pysanki by M4A1 into LeftLeg."

 

Kill Logs:

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05:20:04 | Player "Stefan Reznicek" has been killed by player "Redwan Troost"
05:20:12 | Player "Oskar Hosek" has been killed by player "Aleksei Novak"
05:20:13 | Player "Aleksei Novak" has been killed by player "Dimon Andonov"
05:20:15 | Player "Alan Greene" has been killed by player "Dimon Andonov"
05:20:23 | "Dimon Andonov DIED Blood <= 0"

Chat Logs:

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05:08:30 | Chat("Luke Krey"): stop the car or die
04:49:09 | Chat("Redwan Troost"): Stop the truck please.
05:08:28 | Chat("Redwan Troost"): Stop the truck.
05:15:33 | Chat("Luke Krey"): *checks him for a radio* // do i find one?
05:15:48 | Chat("Nikolai Pysanki"): *frisks man for radio*//do i find one?
05:39:01 | Chat("Redwan Troost"): Drive it in here

Calling in @LouieRP , @Alex Tayno@Cpt, @Flek & @Taryn to post their detailed POVs. Also, please name any allies you may have had in this situation and post any video evidence that you may have.

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We ( @Alex Tayno and @Erik) heard gunfire nearby the town of Novy and went to check it out as it wasnt anyone we knew. We saw a truck nearby coming up the road and @Alex Tayno shot two zombies behind the truck but thought they were friendly so we let them go. We then heard lots of gunfire coming from the town and went to investigate. 

We get down there and see someone slumped in the front seat and i thought he was dead. There was a second beinf detained and we heard there were two others on ghe hill nearby. We sneak around to try and get better views but we cant see them unhindered by the wall. I told Cal (alex) and Alan (Erik) to go IC and i'll cover. As they leave, i take position and watch. Next thing i know there is shots being fired. I took a shot with my SVD and clearly missed but by that time everyone is dead. We have two hostages at this point. One is execute for not reaponding (probably glitched or maybe tabbed) and the other is spared to deliver a message IC. 

I would like to point out that the two men in the video as well as the hostage that was executed were meta-gaming as they were not speaking in game and spoke of initiations and death. They also are a dynamic and per the new rules did not have the right to open fire on @LemonLime (as seen in the logs) after their friend was killed as they did not re-initiate, i believe. 

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POV SOON I NEED SLEEP LOVE YOU WILL EDIT THIS POST TO POV WHEN AWAKE. 

 

Edited by LouieRP

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26 minutes ago, Taryn said:

I would like to point out that the two men in the video as well as the hostage that was executed were meta-gaming as they were not speaking in game and spoke of initiations and death.

We were in discord discussing the information regarding initiation rules, as we were unsure and treading carefully regarding what we can and cannot do. It was already explained in-character that we are going to scout over the situation and if approached then we will take action(initiate.) As for the hostage stating that he was dead, it is only meta-game if the information is in-fact used as information in-character.

 

27 minutes ago, Taryn said:

They also are a dynamic and per the new rules did not have the right to open fire on @LemonLime (as seen in the logs) after their friend was killed as they did not re-initiate, i believe. 

This is the exact reason we were discussing initiation, the video is us re-initiating, basically giving them permission to open fire on us.

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7 hours ago, Xavier said:

L&A, if the admins are happy to do that.

or not

the first truck which included myself and stannis drove through novy while the 2nd got stuck and ganked by anarchy, with everyone equipped with a radio we knew throughout the duration of the situation what was happening, until they were obviously taken, you can see that we sit atop the hill overlooking novy, simply waiting

-video removed-

my mics audio isnt picked up but you can rewatch stannis's video for that

you can hear xavier say 'im dead' 2 seconds before were both gunned down which had 0 impact on what happened in the 2 second gap

6 hours ago, Taryn said:

I would like to point out that the two men in the video as well as the hostage that was executed were meta-gaming as they were not speaking in game and spoke of initiations and death. They also are a dynamic and per the new rules did not have the right to open fire on @LemonLime (as seen in the logs) after their friend was killed as they did not re-initiate, i believe. 

look up for xavier's part

flek, the other, was muted in discord after you took his radio ic

we didnt shoot first, they did, you can see in the hit logs

as they ran up to us on the hill i raise up from the grass with my weapon raised and announce - 'stop where you are', anarchy says nothing afterwards and immediately opens fire, not sure if they were right on that as initiation is nothing something we typically meddle with, regardless they took what i did as initiation and opened fire without hesitation or so much as a word in retort

everything that was able to be transmitted IC, was, and everything that was simply said in discord on an OOC basis had no effect on a singular 'roleplay' scenario that went down for the entire time of our time through when we were drove through to being dropped, its extent was the discussion of initiation rules as to not have a situation such as this blow out of proportion

 

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2 hours ago, Stannis said:

This is the exact reason we were discussing initiation, the video is us re-initiating, basically giving them permission to open fire on us.

Can confirm they initiated. That being said do you have video of the whole situation or just the last 30 seconds? 

Edited by Erik

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34 minutes ago, Erik said:

Can confirm they initiated. That being said do you have video of the whole situation or just the last 30 seconds? 

nope, was just sitting in the field for the duration anyways

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5 hours ago, Cpt said:

we didnt shoot first, they did, you can see in the hit logs

Nah, your boy Stefan was executed. Dimo shot Aleksei after. Your guys shot first.

Also, that video title and preview image? Whats up with that?

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7 hours ago, Hebi Kotei said:

05:20:11 | "Dimon Andonov SHOT Aleksei Novak by AKM into LeftLeg."

I was the first to get shot on the altercation up on the hill. 

Regardless, I've posted my POV and will refrain from posting(as I urge most to) until staff needs me.

 

edit: Yeah I guess Han(Erik)did shoot first 

Edited by LemonLime

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27 minutes ago, Taryn said:

Nah, your boy Stefan was executed. Dimo shot Aleksei after. Your guys shot first.

Also, that video title and preview image? Whats up with that?

you can very clearly see in the video that neither of us shot first, they missed their first shots somehow

its a joke

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28 minutes ago, Taryn said:

Nah, your boy Stefan was executed. Dimo shot Aleksei after. Your guys shot first.

Also, that video title and preview image? Whats up with that?

 

5 minutes ago, LemonLime said:

I was the first to get shot on the altercation up on the hill. 

Regardless, I've posted my POV and will refrain from posting(as I urge most to) until staff needs me.

0:35 Anarchy/other group were first to shoot, although the first hit was landed by our group.

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32 minutes ago, Taryn said:

Nah, your boy Stefan was executed. Dimo shot Aleksei after. Your guys shot first.

Also, that video title and preview image? Whats up with that?

You can see the guy on the right shot first (in the red). I haven't seen anyone involved in that shootout disagree. Just because Dimon actually hit something first doesn't mean that he was the first to shoot. 0:36.

 

E: I don't understand the prolonging of this thread. The report was resolved inbetween players and it's just kind of nitpicking 2 seconds worth of footage.

Edited by Xavier

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According to the Support Team member I talked to, the report was resolved between players and me asking to resolve the thread @:

8 hours ago, Xavier said:

Happy to accept this. Multiple non-faction members, multiple accounts. Thanks for the clarification guys.

L&A, if the admins are happy to do that.

was valid. I'd like to reiterate that. I would like the thread resolved, as both parties came to an understanding and I don't want any punishment pushed onto anyone.

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2 minutes ago, Xavier said:

According to the Support Team member I talked to, the report was resolved between players and me asking to resolve the thread @:

was valid. I'd like to reiterate that. I would like the thread resolved, as both parties came to an understanding and I don't want any punishment pushed onto anyone.

We can choose to honour your request, we can also choose not to, ultimately the decision lies with us. We will respond to the report with whether or not we close this report as soon as the POVs have come through and the GM team has come to a decision. We have not ignored your original request.

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