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Lopatino Ruleplay and RDM/KOS 2018-03-11 21:30ish

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Server and location: Lopatino

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2018-03-11 21:30ish

Your in game name: Matty Mayfire

Names of allies involved: Luke Krey, Brodie Kearns, Jakob Vasilev, there were more of us but I believe everyone else was killed with potentially valid rights.

Name of suspect/s: Pavel Popov and his allies

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

Video of me taking him and releasing him with all of his things:

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Showing he wasn't in the dynamic or the TS of the people we were fighting:

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Screenshot of the pokes:

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Video of the TS conversation where he reveals why he did what he did and why his friends thought it was ok to kill us with their invalid rights:

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Detailed description of the events: We go back to Lopatino after having a hostage, and Louie ends up getting shot. We show up and a fight ends up ensuing against the nationalist Chernarussians which are a dynamic group. We're trying to make sure the town is safe when we find a guy who matches the same outfit and accent, so I take him hostage. I ask him questions, trying to find out if he's one of the people attacking us or not, and I eventually let him go with all of his supplies, and without harming him. 

I tell him to leave the town and not come back for at least 10 minutes because I didn't want him to get mis-ID'd. He leaves, and then later I find out he's been shooting people without valid reason.

I asked him why he was shooting us if he wasn't in the same dynamic with the people fighting us, and he says it was because he was initiated on. I say that I released him with all his supplies and he just repeats that he was initiated on. He's been here long enough, and this is something that's common sense to understand.

 

After a discussion with him as well, he makes it clear that his friends began killing us in the town and shooting random people with invalid KOS rights. This is because he was released with all of his supplies and without any harm being done to him. They entered the town knowing there was a firefight, and decide to try to use their invalid KOS rights to join the fight. I think I might have some video evidence and I will check and if I do I will upload that soon.

This entire situation put a sour taste in our mouths because we are trying to make Lopatino a safe and legitimate for people to RP at. People already hide, and we're trying to give them less reasons to hide and give them a space to roleplay with everybody without being robbed or shot. There was an opportunity for the people we were fighting to fight us outside of the hotspot, but they decided to wait for us to leave and go back home so they could shoot us. The original people we're fighting did nothing wrong as far as rulebreaks, but Spanners and his boys were the ones who made the mistakes.

 

Edit: I crashed a few times and was forced to wait in 10 person queues at least twice. Edit PT 2: I never died, but was shot at, and some of my friends were shot and killed as well, which is why this report is up.

Edited by DustyRP

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Hello

I have footage from my perspective in Lopatino, I was in the church the whole time. I saw the two people get shot inside the church.

Would this footage / my POV help?

Edited by Whitename

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2 minutes ago, Whitename said:

Hello

I have footage from my perspective in Lopatino, I was in the church the whole time. I saw the two people get shot inside the church.

Would this footage / my POV help?

It definitely would help, please post it fam. If you were there, then you're fine to post a pov.

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Sure

The first part of the footage can be found here , once it processes. The killing starts at 40:00

Selina wanted me to go live so she can watch the events, so everything past the death of those two in the church is here

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My POV:

 

The reason why I was in the town was to rescue Res Publica who previously asked us to help them. The SSZAF had a meeting with (@Sylva, @VodkaWolf and his boys), at which liberation was discussed and SSZAF agreed to rescue them. SSZAF entered the town to search for men dressed as civs, looked for them. @Spanners was initiated on. I thought it could be linked to our mission. Following this, I entered the church to search for the Res guys. One of Dusty's boys said that we should come forward if we were Russian, for our names and guns to be taken. I thought the 'game' was up. So I took out the two I could see, unfortunately, I did not see the third man. As a known Socialist, I feard that if captured I would be tortured and killed, thus I used rights form the init to attempt to save myself. 

The guys from my group where: @Jack Rees-Mountbatten@Spanners   

 

EDIT: Whilst @Spannerswas being taken I walked through the town. Looking or the Res Boys to sneak them out. I heard voices from the church before could enter infected started to chase me. 

Edited by Jack Rees-Mountbatten
Edit: Clarification

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4 minutes ago, Jack Rees-Mountbatten said:

My POV:

 

The reason why I was in the town was to rescue Res Publica who previously asked us to help them. The SSZAF had a meeting with (@Sylva, @VodkaWolf and his boys), at which liberation was discussed and SSZAF agreed to rescue them. SSZAF entered the town to search for men dressed as civs, looked for them. @Spanners was initiated on. I thought it could be linked to our mission. Following this, I entered the church to search for the Res guys. One of Dusty's boys said that we should come forward if we were Russian, for our names and guns to be taken. I thought the 'game' was up. So I took out the two I could see, unfortunately, I did not see the third man.

The guys from my group where: @Jack Rees-Mountbatten@Spanners   

At this point, Spanners had been released for a good amount of time already, and he was released with all of his things and without being harmed. So, this being the case, why would you still decide to spray people down when the rights that were granted to you were invalid to use?

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In your opinion, the init would be considered invalid. The point of this report is to declare whether or not these rights were invalid. After being let go Spanners re-positioned onto a hill overlooking the town. At which point I made a move to the church. He called out that there were men coming over the hill, thinking that they may have realised their mistake (letting @Spanners go), we concluded that the mission could be compromised. So he fired using his rights(as he believed them to be), I then hid in the ground as I was unsure of the situation because of poor coms, I believed he had been shot. After I worked out that he was okay, I met a young boy and continued toward the church with him.

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POV: So, I logged onto ts to see what everyone was doing and I heard there was something going on in Lopatino. I didn't want to ghost in as I logged out there last night. So, I went AFK in the channel to do some things IRL. I come back and hear most of what was happening was now outside of town. I log in and see that everyone in town are a bit scared and are hanging out by the church. I'm just roaming around town RolePlaying with anyone I can. And then I'm told over radio to tell everyone to keep their weapons are their backs and get inside the church so they don't get accidentally shot. This is because the fighting was making it's way back to the town. I tell everyone what they told me over the radio and eventually we got everyone in the church. Two of my friends come back into town to get the identities of anyone in town who are chernorussian/russian, as those were the type of people we were fighting. We then tell everyone again to keep weapons away and stay in the church. And that the only ones that are supposed to have there weapons out are those who are with Anarchy. So my two friends @Brodie and @LouieRP are telling everyone in the church that if they are chernorussian/russian, to please make a line in front of them. As they are saying this 2 people take out there guns and one of them shoots and Kills both Louie and Brodie and shot a few civilians who were not a part what was happening. I took it upon myself to shoot and kill the shoot the guy then his friend pointed his gun at me and before he got a shot off I managed to put a few into his chest and head. I shout over comms that I got them both, but someone who couldn't hear me shot me unconscious (wasn't their fault).

Edit: After this and the situation calmed down a bit. I went outside the church and into the tents to check for another gun and ammunition as mine got ruined to the friendly fire. I unfortunately crashed and sat in que for a while, but eventually got back in. Logs should show this.

Edited by KricketRP

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To clarify the second shooter was not associated with the SSZAF. I have no idea who he is.

 

EDIT: From the video, I cannot see any civs being shot, although I could be wrong.

Edited by Jack Rees-Mountbatten

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4 hours ago, Jack Rees-Mountbatten said:

EDIT: From the video, I cannot see any civs being shot, although I could be wrong.

To be honest on looking at the video as well, It doesn't seem like he hit anyone either. I could have sworn I saw him hit someone, maybe not.

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Just gonna jump in here. I am the hobo on the ground that got shot. I was lurking around at the waterpump when people started to shoot at the town. I first tought it was at zombies but i got hit after a few rounds in the torso. So i crawled to the church. And there is where the Ryan's video starts. 

I did not report this due to the fact that i gave anarcy a ride in the bus with Chilly Willie. However i did not know They held anyone up at that point but i understand if anyone saw me there and later recognized me in town. 

I was there for Almost the whole thing if any further POV is needed from me in the church. :)

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POV.

We had some conflict going on in Novaya it went into a hostage situation.

So after that we go to Lopatino and the people that wanted revenge shot me in my house I fell uncon I felt that this was the end as I laid on the floor unconscious waiting for judgement my dearest of friends Sultan or Matty came in and bandage me and nursed me back to health then they went out to find the enemy.

So after a while there was a massive firefight innocent people were shot fuck man ya know poor little hobo guy got shot it was extremely sad to see so after a bit we start to set up security protocols so we wanted to go around and ID Russians/Chernarussians so we can keep track on who comes in and out of the town.

So yeah In the church we try to get them to line up since ya know it was still an active firefight a crazy madman used a guy as a human shield and sprays me down. I thought this was the end of Louie but it was not god gave him a second chance to redeem himself.

Yeah I just want to explain a bit about my death now I thought it was the gentlemen from Novaya that came in for revenge but that was not the case it was Spanners friends coming in seeking revenge for him being captured.

Since Spanners was not harmed and none of his items were taken from him wouldn't that be considered ruleplay? They had no reason at the current time to be running into an active firefight. 

Edited by LouieRP

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Well Im just gonna post my pov as I were there:

Sultan POV: So after some hostile stuff in novaya we go back to Lop Louie calls then goes dead on the radio so i rush over to his last knowned location and finds him on the floor so i started to save poor Louie. Then i rush outside when im about to initiate on a man i get killed and the boys takes revenge 

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Connection:

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20:07:32 | Player "Matty Mayfire" is connected
-x3 Crash-
23:59:45 | Player "Matty Mayfire" has been disconnected

21:24:24 | Player "Jakob Vasilev" is connected
23:37:06 | Player "Jakob Vasilev" has been disconnected

21:05:12 | Player "Tikhon Pirogov" is connected
21:39:01 | Player "Tikhon Pirogov" has been disconnected
-DIED-

18:36:57 | Player "Luke Krey" is connected 
-x2 Crash-
21:43:16 | Player "Luke Krey" has been disconnected
-DIED-

18:32:01 | Player "Brodie Kearns" is connected
22:52:18 | Player "Brodie Kearns" has been disconnected

21:22:20 | Player "Jerimie Adair" is connected
21:46:57 | Player "Jerimie Adair" has been disconnected

18:02:19 | Player "Viktor Kovar" is connected
22:19:33 | Player "Viktor Kovar" has been disconnected

19:12:57 | Player "Pavel Popov" is connected
22:27:58 | Player "Pavel Popov" has been disconnected

Hit:

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21:38:44 | "Tikhon Pirogov SHOT Brodie Kearns by M4A1 into Head."
21:38:44 | "Tikhon Pirogov SHOT Brodie Kearns by M4A1 into Head."
21:38:45 | "Tikhon Pirogov SHOT Luke Krey by M4A1 into Head."
21:38:45 | "Tikhon Pirogov SHOT Luke Krey by M4A1 into Head."
21:38:49 | "Jakob Vasilev SHOT Tikhon Pirogov by AKS74U into head."
21:38:49 | "Jakob Vasilev SHOT Tikhon Pirogov by AKS74U into head."
21:38:54 | "Jakob Vasilev SHOT Jerimie Adair by AKS74U into leftleg."
21:38:54 | "Jakob Vasilev SHOT Jerimie Adair by AKS74U into leftleg."
21:38:54 | "Jakob Vasilev SHOT Jerimie Adair by AKS74U into LeftLeg."
21:39:37 | "Viktor Kovar SHOT Jakob Vasilev by M4A1 into RightArm."
21:39:38 | "Viktor Kovar SHOT Jakob Vasilev by M4A1 into RightArm."
21:39:39 | "Viktor Kovar SHOT Jakob Vasilev by M4A1 into RightArm."

Death:

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21:38:44 | Player "Brodie Kearns" has been killed by player "Tikhon Pirogov"
21:38:45 | Player "Luke Krey" has been killed by player "Tikhon Pirogov"
21:38:49 | Player "Tikhon Pirogov" has been killed by player "Jakob Vasilev"
21:38:54 | Player "Jerimie Adair" has been killed by player "Jakob Vasilev"

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21:27:51 | Chat("Jerimie Adair"): //oh ok its chilll
21:38:21 | Chat("Tikhon Pirogov"): *looks freaked
21:55:23 | Chat("Jakob Vasilev"): *pukes out some blood*
21:57:12 | Chat("Jakob Vasilev"): *holds his chest in pain*

Calling in the following for their POVs and any video evidence/allies they may have had during this situation:

Brodie Kearns - @Brodie
Jerimie Adair - @jerimie adair
Viktor Kovar - @VictusRP
Pavel Popov - @Spanners

@Jack Rees-Mountbatten You are aware you require an active character page to play correct? Can you explain why you lack a page?

@KricketRP Why did you log on into an ongoing hostile situation when you were aware of it being ongoing within 500 meters?

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The last character was an event character from months ago, he died so I just PKed there. Thus I'm formulating a new one. Upon reflection, I would like to clarify my position. I am a known socialist, who has a massive 'A' scare on his face. I was looking for the Res guys in the church. Once I was asked to remove headgear and id myself, I also miss heard and thought he mentioned handing over firearms but after watching the video I appear to have been wrong. Thinking I would be captured, tortured and killed. I used my kill rights that were gained from a valid init on my Allie to attempt to save myself taking out the two hostiles that I could see. From an in-character perspective, he was 'bricking it'. That was the rationale behind my reasoning. Sorry if I am using blunt sentences I'm just trying to be as clear as possible if a mistake has been made I would like to say no it shall be rectified in future.  

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POV:

We were up north for a while, took a hostage up there, we were just on our way back to Lopatino when we hear of Louie getting shot. After getting back to Lopatino, more shots are fired at us and we begin to retaliate. After a while of running around and trying to figure out where are shooters are Louie and I decide to head back to the church and ID Russians/Chernarussians and give the people that were in the town that got told to take cover in the church some role-play. So we walk in and shout out, "Can all Russian and Chernarussian people please take off your head gear and line up in front of me, so I can get your names and faces." Almost immediately after saying that Louie and I got mowed down by a fella crouching behind one of the civilians.

Louie and I were trying to engage in further RP with the Civs we told to take shelter in the church so they wouldn't get injured. But of course one of them were just waiting for a moment to kill us. Like what is the point of running around and killing us when we were in an active firefight aswell as trying to role-play. Like I don't see how just mowing down people associated with the man that held you up to make sure you weren't one of the fellas we were fighting would further develop your character, especially your mates character, he just stood up and blew us away. There was no justification for using the KOS rights you gained. They were completely invalid.

Edited by Brodie

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17 hours ago, Jack Rees-Mountbatten said:

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By the by, we never once said that we'd be taking anyone's guns in the church, we were not initiating at all on the people in the church, we just wanted to ID people and know who was who.

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My POV is not too dissimilar to Jack’s

 

POV: I and Jack where planning on rescuing the people of Res Republica from Lopatino town. They were being held somewhat against their will by another hostile group. However the extent of their numbers was not known to our characters at the time.

 

Upon entry to Lopatino a large firefight breaks out between the hostile group and another group. At this time I was unaware that the group they were fighting was of Chernarussian decent.

During my initial scout of the town, I am stopped by two individuals of the hostile group. After a 15 seconds of interacting with them, they subsequently initiated on me. The initiation was as follows

Dusty: “Yo yo, put your fucking hands up right now” (Whilst aiming a rifle at my head) 0.09 (Threat)

This was a direct threat to my characters life, and a indirect threat to the operation at hand. Due to this interaction the mission was somewhat in jeopardy.

During the hostage situation I had my weapons and some items of clothing stripped from me. I ask at this point “Is this robbery?”

Dusty replies “Yeah sure whatever you want” 0.40

During this time my character thought this was a common robbery, and would have killed the assailants as soon as he had a chance.

We proceed upstairs and the interrogation begins. To summarize Dusty accuses me of being with the hostile group, and I defend myself accordingly.

 

Certain points in the conversation have been highlighted below,

 

Dusty: “Actually I wanna shoot you because I’m pretty, I’m pretty, I’m pretty sure you’re with the people that are shooting my guys right now”  (Threat to life, false accusation)

 

Dusty: “And don’t stomp on it or I’ll fucking shoot you”  (Threat to life)

 

Dusty: “Do not fucking smash it or I’ll fucking kill you” (Threat to life)

 

Dusty: “What’s the frequency you use with your friends motherfucker, and don’t bullshit me. Or I’m gonna fucking kill you!” (Threat to life, disrespectful)

 

Dusty: “Let me fucking explain then mother fucker! Shut the fuck up and let me speak to you!” *Whilst talking over me* (Extremely disrespectful)

 

Dusty: “Ahhhhhhh, motherfucker. I still don’t believe you” (Disrespectful)

 

Dusty: “I’m not gonna apologize” (The final straw of disrespect)

 

I was released from the hostage taking with my items, with a condition that I was not to return to the town for 10 minutes.

 

Despite having my items returned, my character’s dignity and pride where severely damaged. As he let a foreigner, threaten his life and disrespect him continuously. Not to mention the fact that the mission of rescuing Res Republica  was severely impeded. On Top of this my character decided that it was an ample opportunity to cause some havoc among the hostile group that had taken him hostage. In the thought that amidst the chaos his friend could possibly free the members or Res Republica.

 

I left the town and headed to a rendezvous that I had arranged with Jack, at this point I told him what had happened and what I was planning to do next. During the meeting he gave me a radio that I could use to communicate with him.

 

I then proceeded to head up onto the hill and began opening fire on the armed assailants that I correctly I-D’d. I repeated this for twenty or so minutes (unsure as of now).

 

Despite how it seems, I believe I had every right to enter combat and use my rights of KOS on you and your friends. Due to the myriad of reasons stated above.

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1 hour ago, Chewy said:

@KricketRP Why did you log on into an ongoing hostile situation when you were aware of it being ongoing within 500 meters?

@Chewy As I said in my POV: When I first logged into ts, I found out there was something happening in Lopatino. Me not wanting to ghost, I went AFK to do some IRL things.I was not part, nor did I take part of the first firefight. When I came back, it sounded like the fighting was done in Lopatino and moved elsewhere. Which is why I logged in. When I logged in I saw people walking around in town, mostly without guns in their hands. That's what made me confirm my idea. People were still on edge, and I tried to roleplay with who I could. I was told over radio that I should tell people to get into the church and not have their weapons out. Meaning that time, I believed the fight made its way back. So I did what I was told. It took a little bit, but we got everyone in there. After a while, Louie and Brodie walk in asking about people who are chernarussian/russian and the rest is seen from the video. 

 

It was NEVER my intention to ghost in. I assumed the fighting moved elsewhere. I guess I assumed wrong and will take necessary punishment if needed. 

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I was outside of the church.and when shots went on inside the church I still though there was an active shooter so I opened the door and saw him there standing with a raised gun I shot him and later found out he was apart of us. Least to say it was Jakob this is all I know of the situation though.

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I feel like something like nvfl should be added on top of this since he knew Dusty was apart of a larger group and that there were many of us running around outside the church. Know that he would not make it out of this situation alive.

Along with thatH Heknew we were in a fight and should of taking that into account with our hostilities and scepticism when deciding to take action against the people that were trying to keep the town safe and a flourishing rp hub and safe spot for others.

Like it was stated previously he had not take his or anyone's valuables. Our top priority was to keep the civilians safe with that we had many people posted around it.

 

I feel like this action even might contradict his character. In his character page he States his character is Chaotic Good, but when people let you go don't harm you and take nothing. Telling you to only leave for 10 minutes, but I can say this for sure because I don't know how you play your character or how you think.

Edited by VictusRP

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If the accused understand their mistakes, and realize how this is ruleplay and how their rights were not valid, then I'm fine with the report being closed.

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@DustyRPI understand how the events that transpired could be seen as ruleplay and although in my original opinion that was questionable, I see how these actions could have been altered in a manner that would have facilitated further RP i.e a proper PK/storyline progression. However, I would like my stance and reasoning to be clear as to the reason my character did what he did.

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@DustyRP I'd have to say that what I did could be seen as rule-play. And I'll attempt to keep it as concise as I can. Look forward to the next one D.

-Spanne

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