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Bandit/Hostile RP- How to Step Up Your RP Game

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3 minutes ago, Combatsmithen said:

I provide a suggestion on how that situation could have been improved for all parties involved and you say I'm the one who needs improvement

Why talking about "Trashy RP" when your RP yesterday at the barns was subpar at best, and your "RP" given by you today, was running away not complying and then when you die for it you come here throwing shade that the RP given to you was trash because we could of said come out of the building after you ran away and was caught in the building with your weapon out looking through the window? BOI. 

you wanna RP you should comply. and again, if there was anything you think was "Bad RP" or any rule broken, go post a R E P O R T about it or hit us with a PM/TS about it. you wanna throw shade on the forums? expect getting hit back. calling us out for "Trashy RP" not once, but twice.

Things don't always go the way you want them to. be a big boy, and deal with it. 

So in my opinion, YES, It's YOU that need the improvment. 

 

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27 minutes ago, Skinner said:

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I respectfully disagree. I'm one of the players that has essentially has two things I try to require my character to have for role-play props. One is the coyote (see pic above under spoiler as to why) backpack the other the large vest.

Now, yes these are just things.  They have no actual value, and are not necessary for my survival. 

The problem for me is real life, I may have an hour or two when I get home from work. That's it. Sometimes the weekends I can play a lot more, sometimes I can't.

I'm not gonna continue because I know that I wrote about this somewhere up in the comments. I would ask that you please refer to that, thank you.

 

50 minutes ago, Seiceps the Deceiver said:

Sorry not everyone will RP according to how you want your story, that's not how it works if you want that then go play Singleplayer games. Regardless you ran off and we had enough people to cover each way you would have ran, was pretty easy when you go right past one of ...

Okay, here's her it's slightly getting to the point of being irrelevant.

Again explained in the comments above in the origional post. there are a lot of situations where in real life or gameplay,  we're going to do something that will or will not be in our best interest overall. 

 Yes the main result is usually just F2. At the same time a lot of role play  can happen by other things happening. I get you shooting him, at the same time he still has a point. But it does depend on everybody's play style.

It's not fair for people to have to completely avoid areas with a lot of role play because people want to be hostile all the time.  You have every right to be bandits, at the same time why are you not just on a PVP server if that's all you want to do? Be bandits, but let other people have fun as well.

 

PLEASE DROP THE TALK NOW ABOUT THE PREVIOUS HOUSE INCIDENT. IT WAS CRITIQUED AND OPINIONS GIVEN. ITS NOW TURNING INTO A SALT WAR AND NEEDS TO MOVE TO PM IF ITS CONTINUING. 

Thank you.

 

@Tony = ?

Exactly this. His character  is a bad guy from my understanding, but at the same time I fucking love role-playing with him. Because while he may be bad, he's smart enough to never do it around my character or in a situation she can hear about it.  He's incredibly good at playing his cards and it makes him an awesome ch. Plus certain things will change his opinion, like me shouting at him in one instance.

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6 minutes ago, RogueSolace said:

Yes the main result is usually just F2. At the same time a lot of role play  can happen by other things happening. I get you shooting him, at the same time he still has a point. But it does depend on everybody's play style.

It's not fair for people to have to completely avoid areas with a lot of role play because people want to be hostile all the time.  You have every right to be bandits, at the same time why are you not just on a PVP server if that's all you want to do? Be bandits, but let other people have fun as well.

Yes everyone wants to be the main character of their story but sadly that's not how it works, were all side characters in the story of the apocalypse. I'm a Bandit, deal with it, but I also know how to be passive with those who show me respect. I'm actually friends IC with a lot of the people I previously robbed and we grew from it. That expanded both of our stories, except the issue this man can't seem to grasp is not everyone will mold with your playstyle, I'm a bandit he obviously isn't. He wants to complain about dying because instead of taking the steps to ensure his character's life he did the exact opposite.

I have no salt, because it's not worth being mad over. I will however not let someone shit all over my RP without my side of the story.

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3 minutes ago, RogueSolace said:

Exactly this. His character  is a bad guy from my understanding, but at the same time I fucking love role-playing with him. Because while he may be bad, he's smart enough to never do it around my character or in a situation she can hear about it.  He's incredibly good at playing his cards and it makes him an awesome ch. Plus certain things will change his opinion, like me shouting at him in one instance.

The problem though is that this is only your personal preference. What is enjoyable for you might be cringeworthy for others. Some just prefer a harsh and hostile environment over a deep dark storyline about manipulation and so on. I did both in the past and at this point, I prefer brutal banditry over pretending to be nice. I just feel unimmersed if my captor lets me do what I want, as soon as I am in control as a hostage something is going wrong making it unrealistic in my opinion.

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2 minutes ago, Seiceps the Deceiver said:

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That's understandable, and fine. The point of this topic is to have a discussion where we can try to work together about instead of just "I do my thing and you do yours" and actually help others to have better interactions. You've said your side and that's been done. I'm just asking it to please be dropped now as others are clogging up this discussion with complaints and accusations, when this is supposed to be a productive discussion. Thank you.

2 minutes ago, Grimnir said:

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Nothing wrong with that. Just have a valid reason in game for doing what you are doing. Interact with the person using that reason. As you said, that's your play style. I'm not asking people to not rp ways they want to, I'm asking them to really look at how they are doing hostile rp and as @Rolle said, 'step up their game'. Or, to learn from others who are really good. Thus the point of the topic.

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1 minute ago, RogueSolace said:

That's understandable, and fine. The point of this topic is to have a discussion where we can try to work together about instead of just "I do my thing and you do yours" and actually help others to have better interactions. You've said your side and that's been done. I'm just asking it to please be dropped now as others are clogging up this discussion with complaints and accusations, when this is supposed to be a productive discussion. Thank you.

If someone doesn't want to listen to advice I have that's not my fault, he wanted to critique my RP and I explained to him how he could have gone about it better to ensure his life and the RP he would have witnessed. As someone who has been a HostileRPer for the past 4 years on the server I like explaining why I love the style of RP I do, and of course some people may not like my style of explaining. However I will leave it here since the man doesn't care for others reason.

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Still haven't experienced hostileRP unless it was evolved around what I was carrying on me. My character is too nice and nobody ever holds him up, which kinda sucks because I like a little hostile RP every now and then.

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Just now, Finn said:

Still haven't experienced hostileRP unless it was evolved around what I was carrying on me. My character is too nice and nobody ever holds him up, which kinda sucks because I like a little hostile RP every now and then.

I'll rob you for being too nice ;)

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Just now, Seiceps the Deceiver said:

I'll rob you for being too nice ;)

Whats there to rob? I just give away my stuff for free to anyone that wants it :P 

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1 minute ago, Finn said:

Whats there to rob? I just give away my stuff for free to anyone that wants it :P 

Your body.

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2 minutes ago, RogueSolace said:

Nothing wrong with that. Just have a valid reason in game for doing what you are doing. Interact with the person using that reason. As you said, that's your play style. I'm not asking people to not rp ways they want to, I'm asking them to really look at how they are doing hostile rp and as @Rolle said, 'step up their game'. Or, to learn from others who are really good. Thus the point of the topic.

But good is a subjective topic. In my opinion, robberies aren't supposed to be pure fun, just like a horror game isn't fun. The point where people try to get robbed is the day this place loses all realism.

The real problem is a different one and that is the way people behave. Since the dawn of time people organized in groups or if you go far back tribes. They did that because it was easier to survive like that, so I ask you why are so many alone? Simple, they lack the will to become part of a group. If I roll up with around ten people only very few in this community will have the balls to try anything. So get a group and don't get robbed by randoms.

The second problem is the lack of people who are willing to submit to the ones stronger than them. If you are weaker than your enemy then you are at his mercy. So no pride will help you, the only thing that will help you is to treat them with respect.

With those two points alone you can avoid most robberies and if you get robbed establish some kind of deal that will prevent you from getting robbed in the future for a price.

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1 minute ago, Seiceps the Deceiver said:

Your body.

I'll be steering clear of you

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35 minutes ago, Seiceps the Deceiver said:

Your body.

I like where this is going

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3 hours ago, RogueSolace said:

 

@Tony = ?

Exactly this. His character  is a bad guy from my understanding, but at the same time I fucking love role-playing with him. Because while he may be bad, he's smart enough to never do it around my character or in a situation she can hear about it.  He's incredibly good at playing his cards and it makes him an awesome ch. Plus certain things will change his opinion, like me shouting at him in one instance.

To be fair... it's not like I hid it entirely from you. Let me take you back to the pub execution. "Anyone opposed to torture?" 'Me!' "Then leave..."

Good times xD

That and Seth's name got pretty far around before I had to take an extended break. Funny thing is, I barely did shit to merit it... but if you wanna see me truly villain up in here, you need to look at me on Felix Gilmore.

The thing with those villains, is they are the the intelligent brand, which in all fairness is a class all on it's own. It doesn't make them better than other types of villains, they're just a little bit harder to play unless you have the mind set to plot and plan and scheme and maybe laugh maniacally when no one is looking... and even then laugh anyway.

But good villains come in many forms. It's really just how you play it. You could be a guy who just can't control his temper and lashes out at all around him. Heck, you could even play towards you characters own flaws and mistakes. I did. Take Felix. One of the major flaws was that he was a psychopath, regardless if he was intelligent or not he lacked a lot of human emotion and therefore ended up craving it badly and to get such... he'd put himself in extremely dangerous situations. He infiltrated The Family for about a solid month... every day, life and death, one mistake, one person speaks... and he was dead. That is -insane-... but in a good way and made for an excellent story as he managed to pull off a trap.

Other villains could simply be into some weird shit. I know we're PG13 up in here, but in terms of fetishism and psychology, it's like a map layout of how to play someone truly fucked up. Control, dominance, compulsive liars, manipulators, people who get off on just beating people for giggles. A little research goes a looong way.

On Seth I slapped a child @Brayces, and whilst I viewed it as responsible parenting... everyone around freaked the ever loving fuck out. You'd think I was the second re-embodiment of Hitler. I didn't murder a mass of people, I didn't initiate on a town, nor did I have a torture porn marathon wank off... I disciplined a child by old fashioned means... a smack. And then it dawned on me... the reason people flipped their shit is because they are not used to seeing something like this any more, let alone from someone who'll just flat out do it in front of people. Such a minor thing in the grand scheme, blown up massively out of proportion... because it's not the common thing. The point here is think outside the box... you wanna be super evil, kick a damned puppy!

There is a lot of room to be a good villian, but again it all comes down to the mindset, the psychology, the who's, the why's and the what if's. 

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3 hours ago, Finn said:

Still haven't experienced hostileRP unless it was evolved around what I was carrying on me. My character is too nice and nobody ever holds him up, which kinda sucks because I like a little hostile RP every now and then.

Cross paths with my character and act nice and trusting, and he'll stick a gun in your face for sure. 99% of the time, he'd let you go with all your equipment too, as he isn't interested in it. He's looking for someone, and kind, trusting people are prime suspects in his eyes, the last person most would suspect.  There are other, various reasons behind his actions, but I don't want to spoil all the fun. Hopefully we'll cross paths.

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1 minute ago, Jack the Ripper said:

Cross paths with my character and act nice and trusting, and he'll stick a gun in your face for sure. 99% of the time, he'd let you go with all your equipment too, as he isn't interested in it. He's looking for someone, and kind, trusting people are prime suspects in his eyes, the last person most would suspect.  There are other, various reasons behind his actions, but I don't want to spoil all the fun. Hopefully we'll cross paths.

That would be different than my normal roleplay :) Hopefully we do

I'm sure we already met before but there were too many witnesses ;)

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3 minutes ago, Finn said:

That would be different than my normal roleplay :) Hopefully we do

I'm sure we already met before but there were too many witnesses ;)

Possibly ;)

I try not to overdo torture as much as I used to either, as I know that it gets very stale for some people. Unless he has a personal score to settle, unless he HATES you, or he's provoked in the wrong way, it's very possible to get away unscathed. The dynamic that I'm running with at the moment, we try to give people an experience where they can influence the outcome through the way they RP, never going in with the attitude of "Okay, we're defiantly going to rob and torture this guy no matter what." We want people to walk away with their hearts pounding and the rush of having had a great experience, of developing stories. 

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8 minutes ago, Jack the Ripper said:

Possibly ;)

I try not to overdo torture as much as I used to either, as I know that it gets very stale for some people. Unless he has a personal score to settle, unless he HATES you, or he's provoked in the wrong way, it's very possible to get away unscathed. The dynamic that I'm running with at the moment, we try to give people an experience where they can influence the outcome through the way they RP, never going in with the attitude of "Okay, we're defiantly going to rob and torture this guy no matter what." We want people to walk away with their hearts pounding and the rush of having had a great experience, of developing stories. 

Yeah I remember catching you spying on the viridian camp, and I was able to reunite you with your friends. Atleast I think that was you. 

I'm sure you could affect my characters way of thinking, might think before he approaches someone to give them free supplies :P

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1 hour ago, Jack the Ripper said:

Possibly ;)

I try not to overdo torture as much as I used to either, as I know that it gets very stale for some people. Unless he has a personal score to settle, unless he HATES you, or he's provoked in the wrong way, it's very possible to get away unscathed. The dynamic that I'm running with at the moment, we try to give people an experience where they can influence the outcome through the way they RP, never going in with the attitude of "Okay, we're defiantly going to rob and torture this guy no matter what." We want people to walk away with their hearts pounding and the rush of having had a great experience, of developing stories. 

This guy right here is an incredible hostile RP'er, but on the other side of the coin, a great victim RP'er.

My first encounter with Jack was wandering up near Severograd on Felix. We met, alone, chilled, got to know each other. Little did I know I was being led into a trap. So he leads me closer up to Severograd, where he and I are initiated on. Naturally I thought this was an opportunity for some great RP, heck I am pretty sure I even gave the dude my handcuffs for the job.

So there I am in a house now with three other guys, Felix and Ivan cuffed and bound. I am not privy to any backgrounds, I dunno these guys and I by principle play non consent, so no rules protect me. It's made out that there's some background with them and Jack, some grievance.  He'd led upstairs, with me downstairs pleasantly chatting to a guy who holds my life in his hands. Upstairs I hear a commotion, some loud bangs, sounds of pain and torture followed by of course... those execution gun shots on Ivan. Down comes his killer... "What to do with you?". My gut instinct tells me to say anything and do anything to survive the experience. I am asked what I thought of my 'friend'... my response was simple.... "Fuck em."

Then down comes Ivan, alive and well, making it clear it was all theatrics for me. "Wow... is that what you thought of me. I am hurt." to which Felix reply's, calm as can be. "In all fairness... you're supposed to be dead... and a corpse does not have feelings." It was a scheme to find people who fit the mould...

Felix is given a radio contact and a couple days later I join The Lost Soul's, for hands down the greatest long term roleplay I've ever experienced on this server. A faction that was built on nothing but quality RP and excellence. 

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9 minutes ago, Tony said:

This guy right here in an incredible hostile RP'er, but on the other side of the coin, a great victim RP'er.

My first encounter with Jack was wandering up near Severograd on Felix. We met, alone, chilled, got to know each other. Little did I know I was being led into a trap. So he leads me closer up to Severograd, where he and I are initiated on. Naturally I thought this was an opportunity for some great RP, heck I am pretty sure I even gave the dude my handcuffs for the job.

So there I am in a house now with three other guys, Felix and Ivan cuffed and bound. I am not privy to any backgrounds, I dunno these guys and I by principle play non consent, so no rules protect me. It's made out that there's some background with them and Jack, some grievance.  He'd led upstairs, with me downstairs pleasantly chatting to a guy who holds my life in his hands. Upstairs I hear a commotion, some loud bangs, sounds of pain and torture followed by of course... those execution gun shots on Ivan. Down comes his killer... "What to do with you?". My gut instinct tells me to say anything and do anything to survive the experience. I am asked what I thought of my 'friend'... my response was simple.... "Fuck em."

Then down comes Ivan, alive and well, making it clear it was all theatrics for me. "Wow... is that what you thought of me. I am hurt." to which Felix reply's, calm as can be. "In all fairness... you're supposed to be dead... and a corpse does not have feelings." It was a scheme to find people who fit the mould...

Felix is given a radio contact and a couple days later I join The Lost Soul's, for hands down the greatest long term roleplay I've ever experienced on this server. A faction that was built on nothing but quality RP and excellence. 

great hostile RP. Much better than your run of the mill bandits.

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I would 100% attend a class for hostile/Hostage RP taught by @Undead and @Galaxy. I've been included in some amazing hostile/hostage rp with the pair of them on separate occasions.

Just my two cents. 

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3 hours ago, Finn said:

Yeah I remember catching you spying on the viridian camp, and I was able to reunite you with your friends. Atleast I think that was you. 

I'm sure you could affect my characters way of thinking, might think before he approaches someone to give them free supplies :P

That was indeed me. If you’re with Viridian you have nothing to worry about, Ivan is friends with them xD 

As bad as he can be he has a surprising amount of friendships with friendly people....

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I think hostile RP is mostly just research, organic and being creative. I'm always thinking of new ways to try and get new RP ideas or something a bit more unique with at least some kind of spin.

Alotta people are selfish and just want stuff but there's another kind of hostile RP that's grinds me which is not reasoning. Now I'm not saying that everyone has to be reasonable, RP how you like but people hear imformation OOCly then when they take said person hostage they ask like "Why did you hit my friend at 8:43 when th a baton" and when the other person denies it the hostage taker already know it's true and won't believe the person so they can just have more reason to execute the . Nothing wrong with this now and again to push RP lines but it happens a lot with the current state. Just people need to accept that losing will lead to more fun and it isn't a threat to their ego and people will get a whole lot more respect.

BUT a wise man once told me, make changes yourself and enjoy yourself and the people you meet, the server won't change from the forums and only in game attitude really matters. 

We can all talk here about the past but let's just get IC and perform what we can to the best of our ability for your enjoyment and the others!

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