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Too early for bandit groups?

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So I am adding to this because I had a fun hostage experience yesterday and I want to explain what makes it different from the usual and why it was fun. Also I probably have this all out of order so apologies in advance.

Was running on the airfield and ran into @Dewskeet Skeet (who I always enjoy rp with :) ). Obviously didn’t know it was him until was able to check the name later, I knew that character name from somewhere pre lore wipe lol. (also later @ExoticRainbow and @Sleepyhead)

Seems to be a random encounter of two people looking for stuff. Doesn’t point gun in face and start screaming at me. Usually a good start. Asks if need anything, nope. I ask him if he needs anything.

He needs a backpack, I’m carrying one that I’m also using to put stuff in that I know others need in. I tell him he can’t have the one I’m currently carrying, but I’d help him find one. That and if I could get another bag to put my stuff in, I’d give him the one I was using as it was a nice one (Tortilla). He offers to walk together as it’s safer. I figure I’m going to run into him again anyways, or he can follow me. So… not much of an option.

People always get on me for carrying a second bag when I’m searching for stuff. Yeah it gets me into trouble but at the same time, I’ve scared the hell out of people who were not expecting me to just drop the bag and have a gun in my hand and aimed at them in three seconds. Plus, even if you have a gun in your hand, you get initiated on anyways and it’s not always logical to shoot at the person.

So this is going to go one of two ways: 1. Met random guy who walks the airfield with me, we find stuff, part ways. 2. This is a trick. Hoping for situation 1 we walk and talk a bit. Can’t figure out this guy’s accent, and as this ch honestly doesn’t care about it. Get through a few places, me yelling out what I’m seeing for him in case he wants something. We find a tactical backpack which he takes. I offer to trade so he has the better one. He declines and I shrug, we move on.

After we get through one part I hear the typical ‘put your hands up or I’ll shoot you!’ thing. Resulting in my characters usual response of ‘really?’

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So at the moment we’re having a typical hold up.
While not happy about the gun in the face and yelling, Beth responds by remaining calm and slight sarcasm. Taken off somewhere, asked if anyone nearby, the usual. Her main response is along the lines of thought pattern being, “Look, I don’t know who you are and I don’t care. If you’re in a tiff with people, it’s not my business, no idea who you are so couldn’t identify you anyways, making it not matter. So… you apparently need something, and I’m not stupid. I’m also not a threat to you, I’m a doctor, and I’m actually the opposite of a threat. I’ve already said if you need something I would help you look for supplies. Is this whole gun in my face and yelling at me thing really necessary?”


[This is my characters mentality about robbers atm. The world is not low in resources by any means. The only real reason this is happening is because people have to feel powerful and most of the time it’s completely unnecessary and exaggerated. People are being violent because they want to, not because it’s necessary. Is she afraid of being hurt and the gun in her face? Of course. At the same time, she’s like okay we were just having a rational conversation, how is this necessary? Can’t you just ask me like a rational person if you need something?]
 
 
So around here is where Dew starts varying it up. Cause he’s cool like that. I was laughing a lot ooc during this whole thing.


So he tells me to strip, then immediately freaks out and backtracks, ‘not that way! I’m not a pervert! That’s not okay to do to someone! Ahh uh… just give me your backpack!’ sort of thing. Also searched for radio, and kept up with the character is obviously really freaked out by what he’s doing and trying to not come off as a creep. ‘I’m just looking for stuff, if I touch anywhere inappropriate tell me and I’ll stop cause I don’t mean to do that’. Then get tied up.


It came off as quite genuine and was evident the character genuinely didn’t want to hurt or intimidate my character in that sort of way. Dew did a great job of making it comedic.
So of course my coyote backpack and vest get taken to my characters annoyance which she verbally states. She’s not mouthing off to him. She’s stating annoyance. She’s a doctor, her vest is used for rp medical supplies. Same as her backpack. I rp the coyote backpack as being a Stomp II bag. This thing…If you see my character opening her bag or go through it, these are literally some of what she’s interacting with….

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 Obviously she has stuff for actual game reasons, food etc. which she would have some of anyways.
 
So now she’s grouchy because her medical stuff is being taken, when in all likelihood the person robbing her has no idea what anything in the bag is except ‘bandage’, ‘gauze’, ‘medical ointment’, ‘morphine’, ‘Epi-pen’, and ‘Tylenol’. Also they probably wouldn’t actually be able to get their gear into it the way they’re thinking they can, as it’s made for medical supplies.
He was nice enough to throw to tortilla backpack on me though, leaving some of the stuff id grabbed for other people. Later I got back some other stuff including my jeans (yay for being the first person to go along with the ‘hey, my lady jeans are not fitting you!’ , ‘What, I don’t want these!’  lol <3) Also was a bit confused because while tied up you can’t check your stats, at least if you can I’m an idiot and have not figured it out. So he gave me some water just in case.


So at this point he’s moved me out of basic view. Standing against a tree and being told not to do anything stupid. Some people showed up and he freaked out, thinking they were my friends. I had no idea. So he ran off for a moment and I debated hauling ass or trying to break free of cuffs then hauling ass, then deciding he wouldn’t be gone long enough to do it, and him coming back, so was right on that part.


He’s very jumpy and threatening no funny business. Says people are after him. He ended up walking with me to another area where he got on my radio and made contact with @DinoCasino, probably giving the poor guy a heart attack ic XD. Acting like he found me knocked out and was helping me.
Makes him go running to the very wrong town, then debates demanding supplies, considering a doctor is a high value target. I explain he probably would give him what he could, at the same time he would help him if he asked. There was no need for threats.


He talked a bit saying how he really didn’t want to rob me but he had nothing. I again repeated I’d been willing to help him. He could keep all my stuff, I just wanted the backpack and vest to hold (rp) gear. That failed lol. Then he goes on about being Ukrainian and how hard it is because everyone hears the accent and thinks he’s some awful person. I told him I didn’t think that when I first met him, I didn’t care where he was from, he was a person like everyone else.


This seemed to shake him a bit. He got back on the radio and came clean about actually holding me prisoner. He let me talk to assure Dino I was unharmed.
He gets back on the radio to find I think 3 other people had jumped onto the frequency. Usual type demands, weapons etc. meanwhile doing something like this:

“Don’t do anything funny! If I see anyone, I mean anyone of you people looking for her, I shoot her, got it?”

*whispers* “It’s okay lady, as long as you don’t do stupid thing I won’t shoot you.”

“Don’t you give me lip! I put bullet in her head!” (Thanks @Lemons:P lol)

*whispers* “I won’t really! Just don’t try anything! Then I would have to.”

Eventually it got down to him saying he wouldn’t hurt me and would let me go on his terms, but he also wouldn’t tell anyone what he was holding me prisoner for. Creating tension.
This part was hilarious ooc. IC my ch wasn’t sure what to think. This is part of what made it fun though. Dew has a character here, who he is showing is out of his element. He’s confused and unsure, overcompensating to try to not look weak. Then at the same time, clarifying ‘I’m not really that bad’ wink-nudge, sort of thing to the victim. It makes things interesting, because suddenly, you’re seeing another person. Someone with values and morals. Not just someone who just likes to bully people. It’s very apparent he doesn’t WANT to be doing this, he just can’t figure out another option.

He cuts off the radio and has me walk further out. He’s shaking and obviously distressed. Beth just speaks calmly and tells him to take deep breaths, which he was rping back with humor.  (*deep breath, deep breath* “Wait, stop telling me to do that!” )


His character had me sit, and sat as well, talking with me for a bit. It broke down to again, this is a very confused character. This was a good person, who had his world fall apart. He got into bad things in an attempt to make things better, and was having a moment of self-realization and self-hated.  He didn’t want to do bad things, he was horrified at himself. Serious character conflict and development going which was awesome. After a bit it became ‘what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas’. He gave me back my radio and sent me on my way.
I had to pause to talk on the radio so hid by a tree. Once I was done I realized him and someone else had walked past me. I thought to run to the firehouse to at least get a better axe but that didn’t quite work out lol. They ended up running back and holding me hostage again as they decided to hold me for ransom. So short version some other friends of his show up, wait a bit, then take me nearby to have a trade.

While this is happening, they’re all talking to me and keeping me entertained. Because he told me about him, it was my turn to talk about me. So I did that a bit. There was another girl who I got along with who was pretty funny. Also glitch shooting xD Glad none of us got shot. Captor and co trying to figure out if she was a sleeper agent or something and what word was her trigger had me dying. So eventually we go to town. The entire way, he’s singing this random song out loud to himself. This immediately makes me think of ‘The Emperor’s New Groove’ and Kronk, singing his own theme song while being sneaky. I couldn’t help but crack up IC because of it, which seemed to amuse the others.
I got left in a house while they retreated, then my friends got me, then we hauled ass, and now I’m pretty sure at least two people want to put me in a bubble and never let me out of sight again xD
 
The reason I had so much fun, is that Dew is really good at making complex bandit characters. He’s not just being mean to be mean. He made the character be in a situation where he did bad things, and it’s messing with him, badly. You can tell this man can go off the edge if he feels threatened enough, but that he doesn’t want to do something violent. This is extremely realistic! This is prob one of the first times I’ve seen someone rp like this, so again, props to you :) This is an actual very real thing between random victims and captors. Police actually encourage this behavior (and expect it. it’s easier to keep victim alive and put in therapy later to fix Stockholm syndrome, after they’ve taken out the captor).
In these cases, as with a lot of threatened suicide attempts, the person is angry because they don’t feel that they are being acknowledged as a human with rights and feelings. Even if not quite, if the victim can get the captor talking, and be able to relate somehow (pet, children, anything) the captor actually stops thinking of the victim as a captive and starts protecting them. It’s a real phenomenon I’m pretty sure I wrote about it somewhere in an above post.  
 
So kudos to everyone involved, I had fun. This is hopefully a good example of how to make things more interesting :) It’s also a great hostile rp that doesn’t involve any actual violence.

 

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8 hours ago, RogueSolace said:

-snip really long and thought out post-
 

 

Thanks for the shoutout, haha but yea, hostile RP can be really fun and amusing if you know how to actually do some hostile RP. People have this false stereotype that Hostile RP is just yelling and beating people, which it can be at times, but not all the time. These stereotypes are what push people away from hostile rp, and make others start despising it. It sucks that some people just assume "hey let's be hostile rpers" and just begin to be asshats to if not everyone, a majority of who they run into.

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1 hour ago, Dewskeet Skeet said:

Thanks for the shoutout, haha but yea, hostile RP can be really fun and amusing if you know how to actually do some hostile RP. People have this false stereotype that Hostile RP is just yelling and beating people, which it can be at times, but not all the time. These stereotypes are what push people away from hostile rp, and make others start despising it. It sucks that some people just assume "hey let's be hostile rpers" and just begin to be asshats to if not everyone, a majority of who they run into.

You should seriously do a ts class lecture or something on proper hostile rp

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On 01/08/2017 at 8:06 PM, Combatsmithen said:

Do you guys think its still too early for groups of bandits going around and robbing people and taking their stuff on sight?

no 

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4 hours ago, Dewskeet Skeet said:

Thanks for the shoutout, haha but yea, hostile RP can be really fun and amusing if you know how to actually do some hostile RP. People have this false stereotype that Hostile RP is just yelling and beating people, which it can be at times, but not all the time. These stereotypes are what push people away from hostile rp, and make others start despising it. It sucks that some people just assume "hey let's be hostile rpers" and just begin to be asshats to if not everyone, a majority of who they run into.

Also this x a million!!!!!  This behavior is exactly what pisses me the fuck off with hostile groups. 

Seriously, you should have a class! Id also give you beans but site won't let me ?

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BanditRP lately has been pretty annoying lately... Like, there's some quality RP situations out there, but now it seems like every player a bandit comes accross, they end up holding them up, for 10 seconds to take all their stuff and suddenly it turns into GearRP/PvP.... with no actual roleplay involved...

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6 minutes ago, Camokid95 said:

BanditRP lately has been pretty annoying lately... Like, there's some quality RP situations out there, but now it seems like every player a bandit comes accross, they end up holding them up, for 10 seconds to take all their stuff and suddenly it turns into GearRP/PvP.... with no actual roleplay involved...

What you are describing is a rule break. If this happens, you should create a report about it so that those bandits responsible can hopefully improve the quality of their RP. 

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    - Attack other players just for the sake of gear by doing a quick robbery that involves little to no role play.
    - Ignore your victims. You must provide an engaging role play to keep things interesting for the victims at all times.

 

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7 minutes ago, Skinner said:

What you are describing is a rule break. If this happens, you should create a report about it so that those bandits responsible can hopefully improve the quality of their RP. 

 

If you want the report section to be slammed with a rule break that could easily be lied about, and in the end nothing would happen then yeah report it. I would say a lot of these hostile roleplayers who do this are going after whitenames that dont record, meaning there is no video evidence to their rulebreak, meaning no verdict. Honestly if hostile RP has turned into 10 second robbery again then there is a serious issue.

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2 minutes ago, Brady said:

If you want the report section to be slammed with a rule break that could easily be lied about, and in the end nothing would happen then yeah report it. I would say a lot of these hostile roleplayers who do this are going after whitenames that dont record, meaning there is no video evidence to their rulebreak, meaning no verdict. Honestly if hostile RP has turned into 10 second robbery again then there is a serious issue.

If 10 people with no evidence get their reports closed without a conclusive verdict regarding 10 second robberies against the same bandit or group of bandits, that will start to tell a pretty convincing story about that bandit won't it?

Targeting white names who likely don't record is a pretty mean spirited thing to do, but even white names can record. At the end of the day if we see a trend occurring in game, the only real way for us to deal with it is via the reports section and ensuring that the rules are doing everything they can to promote good RP. In this case, the rules are fine, but the rules are useless if people don't report rule breaks. 

If they perform a 10 second robbery, report them for badrp. They will get banned. No more shitty bandits, no more problem. More juicy targets for the good bandits who actually provide RP to their victims. That's a better scenario than just doing nothing and complaining about the rule breaks while doing nothing to improve the situation, right?

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3 hours ago, Brady said:

*snip* I would say a lot of these hostile roleplayers who do this are going after whitenames that dont record, meaning there is no video evidence to their rulebreak, meaning no verdict. *snip*

Oh I have quite a few recordings actually of BadRP related to initations, but I don't file reports because I feel like nothing truly to be gained from them (not always, of course), or I simply don't want to go through the trouble, and then getting on someone's bad side (the person reported) in-which then they will just cause me grief OOC & IC, for the rest of the time I play within the community. It is not worth the hassle.

Hehe, sorry to rant. :P

 

3 hours ago, Skinner said:

What you are describing is a rule break. If this happens, you should create a report about it so that those bandits responsible can hopefully improve the quality of their RP. 

 

Unfortunately. The "bandits responsible" will more than likely just get a slap on the wrist, with a verdict stating that they may be required to join the mentor program, or a stern message saying to get their shit (roleplay) together... Which it will just continue on as-is anyways... again, not always true, but maybe I am just am looking at the multiple and probable, negative outcomes of a report, and it's final verdict results. :S *shrugs*

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4 hours ago, Zorbz said:

no 

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I posted this when the lore wipe was fresh. When there was still somewhat order and the only people that should be stealing are previous criminals and/or gang members. Now its almost 130 days in. At this point people probably are starting to get desperate unless they are lucky to have quite a bit of supplies stored up somewhere

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7 hours ago, Skinner said:

If 10 people with no evidence get their reports closed without a conclusive verdict regarding 10 second robberies against the same bandit or group of bandits, that will start to tell a pretty convincing story about that bandit won't it?

Or maybe you got 10 salty whitenames who don't understand what a 10 second robbery really is

People like us who've been here a while know what really qualifies for a 10 sec-drop wep, but newcommers may not.

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9 hours ago, Combatsmithen said:

I posted this when the lore wipe was fresh. When there was still somewhat order and the only people that should be stealing are previous criminals and/or gang members. Now its almost 130 days in. At this point people probably are starting to get desperate unless they are lucky to have quite a bit of supplies stored up somewhere

IG though, with the circumstances, we're nowhere near low on resources. You have to remember, lore says overall there is like 2% of the population left. Or the old lore did, not sure which one. Anyways, that's a shit ton of resources no one is using atm. We are NOT in the world we see in the DayZ video game, we are NOT in an empty, third world like county. 

I honestly can't record while playing, computer simply doesn't have the memory. 

 

At the same time this is part of one of my issues with the community. Your instinct on someone doing bad rp is to punish them. Not to teach them WHY it's wrong and HOW to fix it. If they have no one teaching them and are relying on what they know, which is very little, how are you expecting them to improve? Being a staff in SWTOR when we have this issue, myself and a few others will usually have a meeting with the person. Instead of telling them off, we figure out what they're trying to rp, and help get them to understand how they should go about doing it to make the experience better overall. Especially why acting certain ways is frowned upon. A few staff were even running a 'how to rp' class OOC (in the game) like once a week for new people, it worked really well. 

Also helping with character development and understanding of how things work. Like I'm one of maybe 4 people actually allowed to play a Gray Jedi in our guild, because I actually know how to rp one. At the same time my character was raised to be a politician, she ended up going to training a bit late as her powers were discovered later. So she's always had more of an understanding of gray from politics, than either side. While she's very young, she was also taught as a sort of front to always be polite, kind and sweet. It's fucking hilarious because I'll be in a room with sith who are all trying to demean her and its not working one bit. She just rolls with it. I nearly broke someones brain once because while being a captive they were trying to do the 'use your anger' thing. Her response- "You know, I've only ever heard the biased side about the dark side. I know your code but I don't understand it. Would you mind explaining it to me?" Broke their brain for a few minutes, then had an awesome rp session of this sith teaching my jedi how their code works with their emotions and still trying to turn me with my jedi not having the slightest interest in going dark. It was great lol.

Point is, there are a ton of ways to start interactions, but if people don't know how, they cant.

I would honestly love to see a series of lectures or classes by @Dewskeet Skeet @Undead @Galaxy etc who actually know how to pull off awesome rp that does not always go violently 

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1 minute ago, RogueSolace said:

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One step ahead. Hostile RP.

Not like people would show up even if either of 3 did it because people like bring their feelings OOC and would just shit on ya. Dew can link some of his quality content!

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Sweet mary mother of St Valentines... 

Okay, so all of this " too early for bandit groups " is all a bunch of fucking shite. Where I live, there are crews/groups of lads everywhere, I'm not going to lie to any of you. These crewswill rob you for your phone, jewellery all sorts of stuff. Things that are worth value sort of speak. Now, this exact same thing will happen in DayZRP, but they're not robbing for phones and stuff. They're robbing for anything worth value in the apocalypse. 

It's not like robbery's just started happening in the world, it's an everyday thing. It's never to early for bandit groups. Some people don't do it because they want to, they do it because they have to. In order to survive or feed their family's or pay bills. Some people just do it for a little extra cash. All depends on situations, for example... My character had to rob people in order to pay off hostage takers. 

So no, it's never to early. 
 

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12 minutes ago, Beni said:

Sweet mary mother of St Valentines... 

Okay, so all of this " too early for bandit groups " is all a bunch of fucking shite. Where I live, there are crews/groups of lads everywhere, I'm not going to lie to any of you. These crewswill rob you for your phone, jewellery all sorts of stuff. Things that are worth value sort of speak. Now, this exact same thing will happen in DayZRP, but they're not robbing for phones and stuff. They're robbing for anything worth value in the apocalypse. 

It's not like robbery's just started happening in the world, it's an everyday thing. It's never to early for bandit groups. Some people don't do it because they want to, they do it because they have to. In order to survive or feed their family's or pay bills. Some people just do it for a little extra cash. All depends on situations, for example... My character had to rob people in order to pay off hostage takers. 

So no, it's never to early. 
 

Live in a similar area, same issues and yes, robbery is not new... I'd imagine it to be even more common in poorer countries like Chernarus

 

This thread needs to be called, "Too early for evil" or something as I believe this is what many people mean. Evil as in groups of murderers, torturers and cannibals + anything similar, and Im pretty sure this has already been said on this thread a few times, myself included, simple as...

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I love how people necro'ed this and made it like its a recent topic then are criticising me on stuff I said months ago which doesn't really apply as much anymore as people are alot more desperate 120+ days into this than if it was only a week

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I personally think this thread should be.
 

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28 minutes ago, Saints said:

I personally think this thread should be.
 

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Nah it shouldn't be closed its a good place for discussion but people really need to check the date of posting before attaccing me over stuff cause i will protec

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I didn't name the thread. I think this thread brings up a lot of really good points though, and advice. Thus me bringing it up again. I was adding knowledge to it.

@Beni the direction of this post moved from 'is it too early for this', to 'how to do it better than what we're seeing in game.' It's been mentioned repeatedly throughout this whole thing that yes there are obviously gangs and thieves and all that shit everywhere right now. The problem is how most people role-play them. Well it's the same thread, the topic changed

@Galaxy ?

@Undead You can always set it to mute the audience and do a lecture. I'm sure Dew do could use some of his video clips. I would actually love to see something like that, you guys should see if anyone else is interested. But that way if you mute it and then take questions at the end, it keeps the bs down while you're actually teaching

also go college professor on their asses. They act up, drop kick them out.

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Also not trying to come off like a bitch to you @Beni

It's just the point that I brought up was supposed to be helpful towards the topic. As I said the entire meaning of it shifted and there's a lot of really good information in here. At the same time if you only call it what the title is, you're missing a lot of info

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3 hours ago, RogueSolace said:

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Sadly my laziness far outweighs my current opinion of the server ?. Most I do at the moment is try to help joffery make some entertaining memes happen in game.

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13 hours ago, Undead said:

Sadly my laziness far outweighs my current opinion of the server ?. Most I do at the moment is try to help joffery make some entertaining memes happen in game.

I love a good meme

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