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57 minutes ago, Dew said:

Read it, seems fine.

The civil war happened in 2009, I don't see why there still would be troops there.

Troops would still be there as a stabilizing force and to foster/shore up a strong relationship between Chernarus and Western allies. Think NATO in Kosovo, or US in the Philippines (contemporary events notwithstanding).

Also, there's an insurgency ongoing in Takistan. Chernarus is a neighboring country and would likely welcome international support for a campaign.

Geopolitics man.

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Its a good read, yea its abit long winded but has all the necessary detail needed. A hint of mystery of how this whole thing started and the general game of how the country fell.

There is only one thing that I'm not sure if I like or not

1 hour ago, Major said:

After a month, the corpse of a global society was crucified on the graves of those who built it. By the end of summer, nearly all was lost. Many governments were eradicated or driven completely underground never to see the light of day. Left to our own devices, human nature would take over.

 

This seems to sum up that a lot of places have already fallen just a month in which could, in some eyes, change the outcome of certain events. I mean why would Russian troops come to Chernarus if their own country is possibly under attack? Wouldn't NATO and the US have pulled all forces out from Chernarus in order to better defend a central country that has the resources to work on a cure (Such as the USA).

It just seems like if this was the case by the summer then we probably shouldn't see any troops around in South Zagoria due to redeployment meaning the country is just made up of awol troops and civillians. 

Personally id like to see it left open to how the World is going with detailed updates pushed out by the LM's every so often showing more of a dominos effect. How a country first encounters the infection, how society starts to crumble in that country, how the death tolls rises, how the country tries to contain or destroy the threat, how the civillians caught up in this whole thing move around etc.

Ultimately that would mean more work for the current and future LM's but would expand the universe the server is set in. Plus these fairly frequent updates could be worked on with any major groups that are either already approved or on their way to approval. I mean we could see a group formed from directly working on a story with the LM's that is integrated into the main lore giving them a much detailed starting story with abit of mystery or a sinister or heroic background as to the formation.

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been reading this while having my dinner good job can't wait for the bigger version

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5 minutes ago, Static said:

Troops would still be there as a stabilizing force and to foster/shore up a strong relationship between Chernarus and Western allies. Think NATO in Kosovo, or US in the Philippines (contemporary events notwithstanding).

Also, there's an insurgency ongoing in Takistan. Chernarus is a neighboring country and would likely welcome international support for a campaign.

Geopolitics man.

I doubt it would take 9 years for "Stabilizing forces" to stabilize Chernarus. Takistan is the neighboring country but I doubt that would be a proper excuse for NATO troops to be in Chernarus. It seems as though you're simply just looking for an excuse for your group to be relevant in the lore.

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9 minutes ago, Voodoo said:

Its a good read, yea its abit long winded but has all the necessary detail needed. A hint of mystery of how this whole thing started and the general game of how the country fell.

There is only one thing that I'm not sure if I like or not

 

This seems to sum up that a lot of places have already fallen just a month in which could, in some eyes, change the outcome of certain events. I mean why would Russian troops come to Chernarus if their own country is possibly under attack? Wouldn't NATO and the US have pulled all forces out from Chernarus in order to better defend a central country that has the resources to work on a cure (Such as the USA).

It just seems like if this was the case by the summer then we probably shouldn't see any troops around in South Zagoria due to redeployment meaning the country is just made up of awol troops and civillians. 

Personally id like to see it left open to how the World is going with detailed updates pushed out by the LM's every so often showing more of a dominos effect. How a country first encounters the infection, how society starts to crumble in that country, how the death tolls rises, how the country tries to contain or destroy the threat, how the civillians caught up in this whole thing move around etc.

Ultimately that would mean more work for the current and future LM's but would expand the universe the server is set in. Plus these fairly frequent updates could be worked on with any major groups that are either already approved or on their way to approval. I mean we could see a group formed from directly working on a story with the LM's that is integrated into the main lore giving them a much detailed starting story with abit of mystery or a sinister or heroic background as to the formation.

In terms of your point with NATO and the US, military and defense specialists would likely make the calculation that with such a rapid spread, no verifiable means to detect it, and the fact that their forces are the nearest to the epicenter of the viral outbreak, all forces in the Chernarus theater should stay in place or else risk infection of the rest of the US military.

Most other units from across the globe would, if at all feasible, be pulled back to the homeland.

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1 hour ago, Majoo said:

Yay we can do our chars and group lores to fit with this now yayyy

It's good imo good job LM team

Ikr. I just finished editing my character's backstory. It feels good.

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Looks pretty good! I hope the extended version tells us a bit more of the opinions towards the different  foreign forces (from chernarussian natives of course) when so many play as CDF, UN, NATO, PAU, WHO, Russian military, US marines, Rambo, you name it commando-Spec-ops. I'd like for it to be a bit more clear whether foreign aid is welcomed or disputed. 

Just an idea no hate, it's really good as is.

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I can dig it, looking forward to seeing the +version and/or Re-done Book of Chernarus. Nice job LMs.

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1 hour ago, Dew said:

I doubt it would take 9 years for "Stabilizing forces" to stabilize Chernarus. Takistan is the neighboring country but I doubt that would be a proper excuse for NATO troops to be in Chernarus. It seems as though you're simply just looking for an excuse for your group to be relevant in the lore.

Look, I work in the defense industry IRL.  Both academically and professionally, I have researched and analyzed conflict for private think tanks and the government.  I work closely with military and federal officials on similar matters every day.  My excuses are anything but.  This is conventional military analysis and historical knowledge.  The Kosovo War ended in 1999 and NATO is still there nearly 20 years on.  In the War in Afghanistan, Kazakhstan hosted ISAF forces so they could use their proximity to the fight as a staging area.  I can provide historical examples and solid conventional analysis for why the US and NATO would be there.

All you seem to be doing is throwing skepticism at a potential rival group.

 

Edit: I get that the first few sentences might sound particularly "edgy" but the facts I provided are true and are verifiable.  Anyone here can fact-check me if they want.

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6 minutes ago, Static said:

Look, I work in the defense industry IRL.  Both academically and professionally, I have researched and analyzed conflict for private think tanks and the government.  I work closely with military and federal officials on similar matters every day.  My excuses are anything but.  This is conventional military analysis and historical knowledge.  The Kosovo War ended in 1999 and NATO is still there nearly 20 years on.  In the War in Afghanistan, Kazakhstan hosted ISAF forces so they could use their proximity to the fight as a staging area.  I can provide historical examples and solid conventional analysis for why the US and NATO would be there.

All you seem to be doing is throwing skepticism at a potential rival group.

That's cool that you work IRL with this type of stuff. That doesn't change that fact that you're just attempting to throw shade at the LM team because they didn't go more in depth with NATO in their lore.

No, I'm not trying to throw shade at your group. I could care less if we would be rivals or allies at all. I'm simply stating my opinion on the whole NATO matter in the lore.

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37 minutes ago, Voodoo said:

 

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We mentioned there are Outbreaks in Europe and the Balkans + major ones in Ukraine and Turkey (unless that got edited out, ill check). In the epilogue we mention the dead are everywhere more or less, but that doesn't mean those places have fallen. Russia is and will remain to be the country in the best shape because they have direct knowledge of the first incident and quarantine on the 2nd day and shut off travel. They also are keen to cover up their involvement (hence the bombing) and reinforce that border, even if it means deploying troops inside Chernarus.

We aren't going to spell out everything regarding the state of the world, but we will be giving a lot of info and I'll do some edits to clarify the state of things at 2 weeks. There would still be a lot of confusion over what is going on and because the grid in SZ is down that makes it even harder.

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Just now, Dew said:

That's cool that you work IRL with this type of stuff. That doesn't change that fact that you're just attempting to throw shade at the LM team because they didn't go more in depth with NATO in their lore.

No, I'm not trying to throw shade at your group. I could care less if we would be rivals or allies at all. I'm simply stating my opinion on the whole NATO matter in the lore.

The LM team knows I'm not trying to throw shade.  xDxD

 I was asking for clarifying info so I could tighten up my group's lore.  Trust me when I say my questions are not biting criticism and simply meant for digging out details pertinent to my own group.

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9 minutes ago, Dew said:

That's cool that you work IRL with this type of stuff. That doesn't change that fact that you're just attempting to throw shade at the LM team because they didn't go more in depth with NATO in their lore.

No, I'm not trying to throw shade at your group. I could care less if we would be rivals or allies at all. I'm simply stating my opinion on the whole NATO matter in the lore.

He ain't throwing shade he is just asking questions and defending his group idea which makes sense. More stuff on NATO will come, keep in mind this is the whitelist version and we haven't even put up secondary lore stuff.

21 minutes ago, Otto said:

I can dig it, looking forward to seeing the +version and/or Re-done Book of Chernarus. Nice job LMs.

In the works currently. We had to focus on the main Lore.

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43 minutes ago, Static said:

In terms of your point with NATO and the US, military and defense specialists would likely make the calculation that with such a rapid spread, no verifiable means to detect it, and the fact that their forces are the nearest to the epicenter of the viral outbreak, all forces in the Chernarus theater should stay in place or else risk infection of the rest of the US military.

Most other units from across the globe would, if at all feasible, be pulled back to the homeland.

I'm thinking more in the Long term. Say a year on from now someone would like to make a British Military group that comes to Chernarus. Now if it stays as it is the question has to be asked, why would they go there when their own country has likely fallen based on the fact the lore says many governments by this summer have fallen or gone underground.

Now if the rest of the world had its own updating dynamic lore that played out like the game plague over a 2 year server lifetime (the usual amount before another lore wipe takes place) then this group idea could be worked on using LM knowledge or even working with the LM's to plan out the events leading to this groups arrival. Say for instance in this case the UK send in a team to investigate ground zero based on the fact that neighbouring countries have fallen and they are likely to next. Or maybe a new base has been formed like in the past lore with Iceland in which a joint task force can be created.

If you have a dynamic world lore you can create an infection that moves and destroys countries in detail and using extra information based on how the world is currently. For instance:

1. Is the country an island which helps it be isolated

2. What transport links does it have (for instance the UK would require to close the channel tunnel and ferry service to and from France)

3. Does the country suffer from poverty (the poorer the country the less likely it will have the resources to cope, opening the way to stories of foreign aid which could lead to personnel infected).

and their are many more things that could be looked into when writing how these things go. Its just a thought which could lead to detailed groups that will last a long time to fulfil their story based on the lore plus it could lead to a better planned out environment where we don't have to many of the same group. 

 

@Major just thought you'd should be tagged in here :D

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Re-did the epilogue a bit. Confusing and incorrect, just keep in mind when Rolle takes what we have and posts it up you guys will have really helped us out with clarification and additional edits.

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1 minute ago, Voodoo said:

I'm thinking more in the Long term. Say a year on from now someone would like to make a British Military group that comes to Chernarus. Now if it stays as it is the question has to be asked, why would they go there when their own country has likely fallen based on the fact the lore says many governments by this summer have fallen or gone underground.

Now if the rest of the world had its own updating dynamic lore that played out like the game plague over a 2 year server lifetime (the usual amount before another lore wipe takes place) then this group idea could be worked on using LM knowledge or even working with the LM's to plan out the events leading to this groups arrival. Say for instance in this case the UK send in a team to investigate ground zero based on the fact that neighbouring countries have fallen and they are likely to next. Or maybe a new base has been formed like in the past lore with Iceland in which a joint task force can be created.

If you have a dynamic world lore you can create an infection that moves and destroys countries in detail and using extra information based on how the world is currently. For instance:

1. Is the country an island which helps it be isolated

2. What transport links does it have (for instance the UK would require to close the channel tunnel and ferry service to and from France)

3. Does the country suffer from poverty (the poorer the country the less likely it will have the resources to cope, opening the way to stories of foreign aid which could lead to personnel infected).

and their are many more things that could be looked into when writing how these things go. Its just a thought which could lead to detailed groups that will last a long time to fulfil their story based on the lore plus it could lead to a better planned out environment where we don't have to many of the same group. 

Very good points.  I was only thinking in the immediate term, though it would be really cool to see a dynamic lore and gradual fall of society around us.  I would love to see that.  Might be worth a thread in and of itself.  Though, like @Major said to me when I first asked about the rapid decline, this is only an abridged version of the lore.  In Lore+, I'm sure you'll see things aren't quite as catastrophic... at least I'd hope not.

 

1 minute ago, Major said:

Re-did the epilogue a bit. Confusing and incorrect, just keep in mind when Rolle takes what we have and posts it up you guys will have really helped us out with clarification and additional edits.

It's like how Bohemia or Bethesda rolls out games and the Community patches them!  Except this time, it's a much more finished product than I've seen out of either company lol.

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I really like how this lore actually outlines a lot of aspects of the outbreak that allows people to make characters more realistically. Ex: The emphasis on certain industries that thrived after the war and the explanation of how NATO and doctors got into the country.

I'd like to ask one thing though: Could it be made clearer as to when communications went down, along with the power grid and television, etc?

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6 minutes ago, DanielsTV said:

I really like how this lore actually outlines a lot of aspects of the outbreak that allows people to make characters more realistically. Ex: The emphasis on certain industries that thrived after the war and the explanation of how NATO and doctors got into the country.

I'd like to ask one thing though: Could it be made clearer as to when communications went down, along with the power grid and television, etc?

That's in the Lore+ version, exactly that had to get cut.

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Very interesting and a good read guys. I see alot of possibilities for reasons for foreigners to be in Chernarus, goodjob!

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*Chuckles Evily* Good, good it's all coming to plan!

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2 minutes ago, Major said:

Re-did the epilogue a bit. Confusing and incorrect, just keep in mind when Rolle takes what we have and posts it up you guys will have really helped us out with clarification and additional edits.

+1

Its a good change and keeps things open minded. Its fine having the infection in other countries and now with it not stating the effects its had it leaves it open to you guys to expand. Maybe we could get a story line from the US (or other countries) on how they have started quarantine procedures that are either effective or not. 

From here you could get a whole story in about the fall of New York for instance or how the Virus has adapted to the counties climate or economy. Is the virus likely to be airborne? Is it transferred just by a bite? and so on.

Spoiler

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With leaving the greater story open it allows you guys to do so much more whilst working with this new dynamic lore and those wishing to make a group based on the events.

 

In fact the whole virus possibly being airborne could be a good starter block until it is confirmed ICly (via the World Health Organisation) on how this infection/virus spreads. Could ICly with this make it a lore rule that going into an area populated by the infected would require use of some sort of mask to protect yourself. This could even just be limited to Tisy especially as the Devs plan to make it a no go zone without the use of gas masks.

Just a thought, I'm sure some out there will think this is good or give them the idea to play about and use a mask in game. It has worked for other games, Last of us, Metro, The division etc. required a mask when in certain areas. Would mean that a characters first priority would be to find something to guarantee their safety in a way of a cloth mask, gas mask etc.

 

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1 minute ago, Voodoo said:

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Using images and concept art from the Division is a great idea for expanded lore IMO

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