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Alright ladies and gentlemen I've kept quiet for most of this shit, and when I say shit, I mean actual shit, this community used to be a place where I'd come to have fun, take a load off after a long day at work, I've made so many friends here, and have had so many good times.  

It seems like nowadays that isn't the case.  Nowadays it's a competition to see who can bash who the most, who can be the most popular, and who can play the blame game on who.  You all may ask, but Cowboy why are you even bothering?  You haven't played in months, where have you been?  Well my answer to that is simple.  I've waited to see if the shit would clean itself up like many others have, and I was wrong for that.  You see, you can't blame one person, or a group of people for the downfall of something like this, no you have to accept the fact that WE as a community let this happen. Like I said this place used to be fun, and I mean we had fun.  Now it's all politically correct and it feels like a job now rather than what it actually is, A GAMING COMMUNITY.  We come here to have fun, and a majority of the people I have had fun with are now banned trying to show you people this.  Now their ways aren't exactly the best, but they tried to prove a point.  It's time we all open our eyes and come back together as a community, because in all honesty, that's the only way it'll go back to greatness.  Have a good one y'all, and remember, always enjoy yourselves.

 

-Cowboy  

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This thread seems oddly familiar.

For what it's worth, yes, we need to be a community again.

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This server is never going to go back to greatness. What, 120 people or so banned? Some of the best roleplayers in the community? The ones who didn't sit in camps and actually ran around interacting with people? Good luck replacing them any time soon. I've been on the server on and off for 3 years, experienced pretty much everything that there was to experience and what i've seen in the last few weeks was ridiculous. Some of the people who held this server together were thrown away and I really don't see how you expect the server to recover after it.

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34 minutes ago, Undead said:

Some of the people who held this server together were thrown away and I really don't see how you expect the server to recover after it.

The people banned were not just "thrown away". They knew what would happen when they posted what they posted, they knew full well what would happen when they made the decisions that they made. That is not them being "thrown away" it is them facing the consequences for their actions.

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12 minutes ago, Rose said:

The people banned were not just "thrown away". They knew what would happen when they posted what they posted, they knew full well what would happen when they made the decisions that they made. That is not them being "thrown away" it is them facing the consequences for their actions.

I beg to differ. Your perception of the situation is rather black and white. Sure, they knew what their actions were, and expected to be banned. You fail to look beyond that, and examine the reasoning as to why they did what they did. Over 100 people don't ban themselves because everything is going great. They do it because of persistent issues.

When you ignore a group of people's opinion, and frankly don't even bother to empathize with them, you're throwing them away. They were constantly told if they do not like how things are, then leave. I'm not sure how that's not throwing people away. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Rose said:

The people banned were not just "thrown away". They knew what would happen when they posted what they posted, they knew full well what would happen when they made the decisions that they made. That is not them being "thrown away" it is them facing the consequences for their actions.

 
 
 

Pent up anger can lead to allot of things and they decided they wanted to leave in their own way so they did.

The server will not fully recover from this until something big comes to the doorsteps of DayZRP, in the mean time it will stay empty and bland.

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Just now, Rick said:

I beg to differ. Your perception of the situation is rather black and white. Sure, they knew what their actions were, and expected to be banned. You fail to look beyond that, and examine the reasoning as to why they did what they did. Over 100 people don't ban themselves because everything is going great. They do it because of persistent issues.

When you ignore a group of people's opinion, and frankly don't even bother to empathize with them, you're throwing them away. They were constantly told if they do not like how things are, then leave. I'm not sure how that's not throwing people away. 

Oh I agree that SOME of them had some good points, however they decided to act immaturely and post porn, dick pics, stalk and harass people and post other things that they knew full well would get them banned. That started a wave of people jumping on the bandwagon and following suit, there is a mature way to bring things up and get things changed, and I get it they were frustrated that things were not changing fast enough. But what they chose to do, in attacking people on a personal level and posting disgusting things on the forums was not the way to go about things, now all they have done is burnt a bridge and ensure that they can never help to change anything here.

Just now, Eagle said:

Pent up anger can lead to allot and well they decided they wanted to leave in their own way so they did.

But now the server will not fully recover from this until something big comes to the doorsteps of DayZRP, in the mean time it will stay empty and bland.

What I said to rick applies to this as well. There is a right and a wrong way to do things. Last few times I've checked the server during the day its been pretty close to full or actually full, from what I'm aware there were enough people to bring S2 up for a bit as well. 

 

Personally I think the community will survive this, yes its going to take time to build the population back up and replace the people who decided to act the way they did but it will happen. Keep in mind exams are also going on for a lot of people right now as well, so things may go a bit slow for a bit, but it will pick up slowly.

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2 minutes ago, Rose said:

Oh I agree that SOME of them had some good points, however they decided to act immaturely and post porn, dick pics, stalk and harass people and post other things that they knew full well would get them banned. That started a wave of people jumping on the bandwagon and following suit, there is a mature way to bring things up and get things changed, and I get it they were frustrated that things were not changing fast enough. But what they chose to do, in attacking people on a personal level and posting disgusting things on the forums was not the way to go about things, now all they have done is burnt a bridge and ensure that they can never help to change anything here.

These points were brought up many times, and ignored. Sure, posting dicks left and right doesn't exactly send a resounding message of change, but you have to analyze that as well. Why would so many previously respected community members, almost a third of which were ex staff, post things so extreme? After all, many of them banned people in the past for the exact same thing. People were so tired of the BS and being ignored, that they simply threw in the towel. Change not happening fast enough wasn't the issue; the issue was that there was not change at all. 

You say they can never help to change anything, yet if anything, them leaving had sparked one of the larger discussions I've seen. Nobody cared what they had to say when they complained through "mature" ways, so they took an alternative route. When pretty much the entire active staff team of years past says somethings wrong, there might be something wrong... 

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18 minutes ago, Rose said:

What I said to rick applies to this as well. There is a right and a wrong way to do things. Last few times I've checked the server during the day its been pretty close to full or actually full, from what I'm aware there were enough people to bring S2 up for a bit as well. 

Personally I think the community will survive this, yes its going to take time to build the population back up and replace the people who decided to act the way they did but it will happen. Keep in mind exams are also going on for a lot of people right now as well, so things may go a bit slow for a bit, but it will pick up slowly.

 
 
 
 
 
 
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Empty as in the charm is lacking people feel no real reason to RP yes you have the bones of it but plenty are here just to horde gear then log out, they die they post a report because they didn't win the fight or you burned their tent down.
I remember when people actually cared about their stories there RP and their well-being, more and more I take a person captive he gets hit in the face with a bat and he says ''Ouch'' you shoot the chap in the leg he says nothing you kill the person for RP sake where it fits and you get reported for RDM, when does it actually pick up I can offer the best RP in the world but will I get that in return heck no, so indeed the servers are empty.

This is my IMO, as I play  on the servers on a regular basis and this is starting to really grind my gears

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7 minutes ago, Rick said:

These points were brought up many times, and ignored. Sure, posting dicks left and right doesn't exactly send a resounding message of change, but you have to analyze that as well. Why would so many previously respected community members, almost a third of which were ex staff, post things so extreme? After all, many of them banned people in the past for the exact same thing. People were so tired of the BS and being ignored, that they simply threw in the towel. Change not happening fast enough wasn't the issue; the issue was that there was not change at all. 

You say they can never help to change anything, yet if anything, them leaving had sparked one of the larger discussions I've seen. Nobody cared what they had to say when they complained through "mature" ways, so they took an alternative route. When pretty much the entire active staff team of years past says somethings wrong, there might be something wrong... 

I stand by what I said, I agree some of them had some good points, and I can 100% understand their frustrations but there is a right and a wrong way to go about things.

5 minutes ago, Eagle said:

Empty as in the charm is lacking people feel no real reason to RP yes you have the bones of it but plenty are here just to horde gear then log out, they die they post a report because they didn't win the fight or you burn their tent down.
I remember when people actually cared about their stories there RP and their well being more and more I take a person captive he gets hit in the face with a bat and say ''Ouch'' you shoot the chap in the leg he says nothing you kill the person for RP sake where it fits and you get reported for RDM, where does it actually pick up I can offer the best RP in the world but will I get that in return heck no, so indeed the servers are empty.

 

There are still plenty of amazing RPers still here. You talk like every single good Roleplayer has left when in reality there are still plenty of them here and getting on the server, maybe you just need to look a little harder to find them? Because I know for a fact that they are there.

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3 minutes ago, Rose said:

. You talk like every single good Roleplayer has left when in reality there are still plenty of them here and getting on the server, maybe you just need to look a little harder to find them? Because I know for a fact that they are there.

 
 
 
 

No, I speak as a regular player, just because their still some nice faces around doesn't mean I will ever meet them.

 

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10 minutes ago, Eagle said:

No, I speak as a regular player, just because their still some nice faces around doesn't mean I will ever meet them.

 

Not sure what else there is to say then, theres nothing stopping you from looking for the good RPers except you not wanting to or whatever the case may be.

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Despite dayzrps' best intentions; maturity and internet are two words which do not belong in the same sentence, or even a paragraph. Initially, their leaving was a statement of principle that sadly turned into a bandwagon fest. Leaving the community was their statement as a whole, however the manner in which they left was each of their personal choices. Hence; why a marginal percent of the ones who passed on, opted to actually leave in a respectful manner while the rest did not. 

The mentality of select individuals in the community is indeed what @Cowboy described and I do not believe anyone will ever be able to sway every last one from being that way, however we can still try. Threads like these have been coming out of the woodwork each day and as much as I strongly agree that there is a need for change, I would first like to hear from the Administrator team what they have to formally and publicly say on the matters of this passed week; as well as their follow up plans on how to prevent tension build-ups such as the ones we've witnessed as well as the plans for the future of the community itself. 

We've lost a painful amount of talented and committed individuals in an incredibly short time span. We can all agree that the fashion in which most of them went out was poor, however we can also agree that respect is owed for the legacy they paved into the foundation of what dayzrp is today.  Whether you liked or hated them, I believe that last point to be indisputable.

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2 hours ago, Rose said:

Not sure what else there is to say then, theres nothing stopping you from looking for the good RPers except you not wanting to or whatever the case may be.

 
 

If I have to hand pick the people I meet, then something is wrong.

 

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1 hour ago, Rose said:

The people banned were not just "thrown away". They knew what would happen when they posted what they posted, they knew full well what would happen when they made the decisions that they made. That is not them being "thrown away" it is them facing the consequences for their actions.

Of course they knew what they were doing. It's not their actions i'm concerned with it's the facts that pushed them to those actions. If 3-4 people did this then sure whatever its a small case. But with as many that committed account suicide there are obvious reasons behind them.

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3 hours ago, Rose said:

Not sure what else there is to say then, theres nothing stopping you from looking for the good RPers except you not wanting to or whatever the case may be.

Please, allow me to search 3 hours in every marked and unmarked town for those that wish do not wish to RP with others. Not that theres anything wrong with that but what fun do I gain during this search? Which lets face it could end up being a waste of time due to not being able to find them.

3 hours ago, Undead said:

Of course they knew what they were doing. It's not their actions i'm concerned with it's the facts that pushed them to those actions. If 3-4 people did this then sure whatever its a small case. But with as many that committed account suicide there are obvious reasons behind them.

This. There was a reason and as a community pointing them out is the best thing we can do so Staff can take the issues into meetings and discuss them to find a resolution so that we can move forward and the loss of such a large amount of players isn't just nothing. Transparency among the community on this matter is what will help us move forward and strive for better things in hopes that we can live up to the expectations that people desire.

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Sorry but you dont remember hitler for his good things do you. The bad removes the good. Everything they did has made our job 10x harder. Their was about 5-10 of the 100 who actually wanted things to improve, the rest just jumped on the banwagon.

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1 minute ago, Jetwells said:

the rest just jumped on the banwagon.

Group pressure can make people do stupid things, you're damn right.

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7 hours ago, Rolle said:

I don't think anyone here is arguing that there was no reason for them to leave. They clearly disagreed with how things are done on DayZRP, how it works and what direction it is heading. They wanted DayZRP to function in a way that I as the owner disagreed. Does that automatically mean that they were right and I am wrong? No, it simply means that we had two different outlooks on how the community should function and we had different plans for it. If I don't like how things are done somewhere on the Internet I simply leave and find another website that fulfills my requirements. Leaving is fine. The only problem here is the way they left, which as you probably know left much to be desired. I think them leaving in a normal way would as you say "prove a point" that they disagreed with things just as much, but without the toxic fallout and ruining their reputation. That's how I see it personally, I know that many people will disagree with me and defend those who left, they see them as martyrs of some kind who fell fighting for something they believed in, that they wanted to change the community, but I don't see them as such. Yeah, they definitely tried to change the community, just in a way that I didn't want it to change. Who's to say that their ways would be better for the community? Nobody can say for certain.

Anyway, it's been a few days now, we've still got quite a few players on, I personally can't wait to get to know all people whom I previously didn't know that even were members because they kept on the sidelines.

I've got some rule changes coming up soon, I'll post an announcement about them tonight. :) Stay positive!

Well I look forwards to seeing what you're going to change. Thanks for the reply.

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7 hours ago, Rolle said:

I think them leaving in a normal way would as you say "prove a point" that they disagreed with things just as much, but without the toxic fallout and ruining their reputation.

The only unfortunate thing is leaving in that manner has seemingly raised their reputation in certain parts of the community, which is honestly quite pathetic but.. well ::Shrug::

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1 hour ago, Undead said:

Well I look forwards to seeing what you're going to change. Thanks for the reply.

Due to technical reasons, it will not happen today unfortunately. Soon! :)

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The reason I posted this was because quite frankly I'm tired of the bickering.  I've seen many people who have many outlooks on this situation and the plain fact of the matter is this, THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, needs work. It's not one group of people, it's not just the staff, it's not just the players who want change, it's all of us.  If you can't man up or woman up I suppose to your actions, and accept change, then there is a problem, now Rolle, I respect what you have done these years I have been here, but even though you are the owner yes, you still need to understand that these players you speak of who want change but you don't?  That's a bit childish the way you put it and I mean that in the nicest way possible.  You have this site and servers because people want to PLAY on them correct?  Then my question is why in Sam hell don't you listen to the sheer amount of people who do play, who donate, and who support the site?  People play here because it's fun, and if they have options for change that could improve the experience, you should hear them out.  Yes it's your site, you own it, WE GET THAT, but you need to understand that maybe some of these people who vote as a majority might have some good ideas, and instead of sweeping them under the rug, perhaps hear them out.  That's my 2 cents, take it as you will, I just want this to go back to the glory days.

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13 hours ago, Rick said:

These points were brought up many times, and ignored.

I agree with this. 
Things are being smiled off like it's nothing, fact is there's a lot wrong in this community and there need to be changes but certain people act like the only thing ever wrong with the community was the many people now banned, when that is not the case. Most of them are ex staff and have worked day and night to make this community the way it used to be, only to run against a wall because they alone cant put changes in place.
 

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