RP1: NVFL Myshkino Tents - 20/02/2016 17:30

[Jetwells]

Server and location: S1 Myshkino Tents

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 17:30

Your in game name: Domonic Lubosz

Names of allies involved: Lubomir Vrana(KIA), Merik Hus, Dragoslav Dusek, Vit Bradac, Jiri Judinek

Name of suspect/s: Chester Li Possibly, +1 Unknown (Logs will show)

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): Possibly Video Footage - Still Ingame

Detailed description of the events:

We appraoched Myshkino and Dragoslav entered the tents, 2 people where there and he went to speak to them. As he approached they said they didnt want to talk, slated our country ect. So at this point our overwatch comes out, 6 of us. We walk up behind the men and then say boo, as soon as this happens one starts to walk away without saying a word, at this point we drop an initiation. He attempts to turn and raise his weapon, taking multiple bullets. Managing to spray Lubomir down and i dropped him i believe with my mosin. Then the other friend, Chester Li complys at this point. We go to pulse check the man and he has logged off so we were unable to get his name. We take the man to the woods and during interrigation he attempts to raise his pistol and shoot at woofybut. He is then sprayed down Dragoslav and Merik hus. This is clear NVFL pushing on bad RP.

[Guest]

As Jet said,we were overwatch until we figured to go down and talk.As soon as we get close one of the men just turns around and starts walking away without saying a word.I initiate on him while he has his back towards me,he raises his gun and we trade kills?(or maybe someone else put him down,but I shot him plenty of times)I would give him the benefit of the doubt if it was say 2 of them and 4 of us,but with his friend complying and him being alone vs 7 people I really don't see how he would have survived,he was also out in the open with no cover next to him.

[Don]

So me and jetwells along with other friends of ours headed to myshkino tents. From the hill we saw two individuals looting in the tents so i went down by myself to speak to them. I small talked with the two individuals for a bit and then began to question why foreigners were looting in my country, they were not best pleased with this. They said they did not want to talk to me and began to walk away, so naturally i followed and began to question why. From this interactions they said "your country is shit" or something to that effect, so i called the rest of the boys down (which was about 6 in total) and told them to turn around to see I was not alone and they were insulting my country. The first man then began to run away from us without saying a word so we initiated on both of them. Chester Li complied however the other man tried to run from the six of us and was gunned down. We then took Chester to the woods for questioning and we asked him for the name of the man we just killed. His response and first was that he didn't know so we pointed our guns and asked again. His response this time was to raise his gun at one of us so me and Merik shouted at him to drop it, and he never, so we gunned him down

[Ellie]

Kill Logs:

16:33:44 | Player "Chester Li"(id=) has been killed by player "Merik Hus"
16:28:49 | Player "Lubomir Vrana"(id=) has been killed by player "Tomi Kenny"(id=)
16:28:57 | "Tomi Kenny(uid=) DIED Blood <= 0"

Hit Logs:

16:28:46 | "Tomi Kenny(uid=) SHOT Lubomir Vrana(uid=) by AK74 into leftfoot."
16:28:46 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) STATUS S::500 B::4500 H::4765 HP::0."
16:28:46 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) SHOT Tomi Kenny(uid=) by AK74_Black into pelvis."
16:28:47 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) STARTS BLEEDING."
16:28:47 | "Player Lubomir Vrana(id=) has fallen into unconsciousness."
16:28:47 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) SHOT Tomi Kenny(uid=) by AK74_Black into Chest."
16:28:48 | "Tomi Kenny(uid=) SHOT Lubomir Vrana(uid=) by AK74 into RightArm."
16:28:48 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) STATUS S::2940 B::2001 H::3765 HP::0."
16:28:48 | "Tomi Kenny(uid=) SHOT Lubomir Vrana(uid=) by AK74 into LeftArm."
16:28:48 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) STATUS S::3940 B::1001 H::3365 HP::0."
16:28:48 | "Tomi Kenny(uid=) SHOT Lubomir Vrana(uid=) by AK74 into pelvis."
16:28:48 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) STATUS S::4440 B::501 H::3165 HP::0."
16:28:48 | "Tomi Kenny(uid=) SHOT Lubomir Vrana(uid=) by AK74 into pelvis."
16:28:48 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) STATUS S::4940 B::1 H::2965 HP::0."
16:28:48 | "Tomi Kenny(uid=) SHOT Lubomir Vrana(uid=) by AK74 into pelvis."
16:28:48 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) STATUS S::5440 B::-499 H::2765 HP::0."
16:28:48 | "Tomi Kenny(uid=) SHOT Lubomir Vrana(uid=) by AK74 into pelvis."
16:28:48 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) STATUS S::5940 B::-999 H::2565 HP::0."
16:28:48 | "Tomi Kenny(uid=) SHOT Lubomir Vrana(uid=) by AK74 into pelvis."
16:28:48 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) STATUS S::6440 B::-1499 H::2365 HP::0."
16:28:49 | "Tomi Kenny(uid=) SHOT Lubomir Vrana(uid=) by AK74 into RightArm."
16:28:49 | "Lubomir Vrana(uid=) STATUS S::6940 B::-1999 H::2165 HP::0."

16:28:51 | "Tomi Kenny(uid=) STARTS BLEEDING."
16:28:51 | "Player Tomi Kenny(id=) has fallen into unconsciousness."

16:33:44 | "Merik Hus(uid=) SHOT Chester Li(uid=) by AK74 into Chest."
16:33:44 | "Merik Hus(uid=) SHOT Chester Li(uid=) by AK74 into Chest."
16:33:44 | "Merik Hus(uid=) SHOT Chester Li(uid=) by AK74 into Chest."

Connection Logs:

17:26:15 | Player "Chester Li"(id=) has been disconnected

13:26:14 | Player "Tomi Kenny" is connected (id=)
No disconnection logs

17:15:52 | Player "Merik Hus"(id=) has been disconnected

17:17:31 | Player "Dragoslav Dusek"(id=) has been disconnected

17:16:09 | Player "Vit Bradac"(id=) has been disconnected

17:08:09 | Player "Jiri Judinek"(id=) has been disconnected

17:18:39 | Player "Domonic Lubosz"(id=) has been disconnected

Calling in Tomi Kenny & Chester Li to this report

[Corry]

my pov, after dragoslav goes down and speaks to the 2 people, as the 2 people about to leave we decided to walk down towards them as we approach the 2 people turn around to dragoslav and insult chernarus, and us playing on ex volki and zbor characters which got very angry about them saying that. then the one guy walks away with out saying anything we found that very rude so we initiate the guy turns around and shoots simonstar, we take action and shoot the guy. bare in mind thee was 7 of us and only 2 of them.

[grillder]

Chester Li here. The other guy was Tomy Kenny. Me and Tomi Kenny were discussing with a single person in the Myshkino tents before calling his country a shithole to him only and no others, so any attempts at accusing us of not showing fear are nulled by that. After he became offended and hostile, me and Tomi tried to leave the tents as he was obviously going to incite some sort of violence. Suddenly, six of Dragoslav's friends came and blocked our exit as if there was some telepathic communication to tell them to do so and began shouting in obnoxious Russian accents to us. Tomi carried on attempting to get out as obviously we were in a sticky situation while I stopped as I was told to do so. I put my hands up and followed their orders while random shooting went on around the corner. I carried on getting dragged out to the woods, completely complying to whatever they asked me to do. I then went up against a tree as requested whilst being shouted at by more unintelligible Russian accents. I had guns pointed at me multiple times by the group of 5 included being threatened, for example "Give me one good reason why I shouldn't shoot you right now". I'd say by having been threatened with automatic weapons by a party of nationalistic, fascist and presumably racist men and having my only friend killed by them for trying to run away, I have sufficient reason to retaliate against them. Not only that, but Tomi had previously told me in character of a group of people who oppose all foreigners to Chernarus, and when we met Dragoslav, he implied that Dragoslav was one of these people. Chester was fearing for his life due to being dragged out into a forest and being stripped of his weapons and acted out of fear and shock and pointed his pistol at someone. I fail to see how this is NVFL since I didn't even harm anyone in the first place, plus even if I did, I'd have sufficient reason to. This is my first experience on this server and I'm pretty astounded how petty this report is against me.

[porridgeoats]

Hi, Tomi Kenny is my character.

Me and my friend, Chester, were looting the tents. This was when we were approached by a man (we didn't see/ know there was another man in the site). He was asking us what we were doing in his country, asked us our names, where we were heading, and made multiple references to how we shouldn't be in his country. He wouldn't answer any question we asked and was being generally very standoffish. I told him that my character has lived in Chernarus for years, and is just as much a citizen as he is. This is when he went on about "Pure Chernarussian blood" (As he asked where we originally came from, and I replied Finland, and Chester replied China/ Hong Kong), which was when me and Chester started to become less friendly due to him insulting us and denying us information we willingly shared with him.

In the end, I said "Enough of this, I am out of here.", and began running away with Chester. The man that approached us then started chasing after us saying things like "Where are you running?" and "Stop, you brats.". We asked him to stop following us and he would not. He then told us that we don't "deserve to be in his country.". This was when I said "Well your country is shit.". This then caused him to be immediately hostile towards us, and was when the others came out of the forest with all their weapons out- I only saw ~4 of them in total before I decided to leave. At this point, I said "Yeah, I'm going to get out of here." and began to run away again. This was when they all started shouting at me, asking where I was going again. One even started to chase after me (the one I killed).

Then, seemingly out of nowhere, someone shouted to "Drop your fucking gun and gear on the ground!". This was when the person I killed raised his gun at me. I already had my gun out, and was somewhat covered by some cars/ wall and out of sight from some of the others. This is why I shot him, as they clearly had hostile intentions on myself and I felt that I could take them on, as I didn't know their full numbers. I also didn't know Chester was complying- I thought he had done similar to what I had. Obviously it is possible that 2 could take on ~4, especially since me and Chester had automatic weapons.

When I started to shoot the man chasing me, I started to lag/ desync. Because of this, I suspect I may have ran too far out in this period, meaning I exposed myself too much.

I did hold my character's life in high regard in this encounter.The reason I started to fight back is because  the last time I was held up by a Chernarussian nationalistic group, I ended up on the map border with a broken leg (they did provide morphine and direction, although IC wise, I was lost and had to survive with a broken leg in the wild). I thought this group were a part of Cerna Liska (The group that held me up last time), hence why I was very jumpy, and would rather attack than face the same fate again.

I feel as though the information given by the other group has been purposefully lacking context, and doesn't properly represent the situation at all. For example, the OP implies that we just instantly launched into insults, and Don seems to gloss over the fact that 'his small talk' included what was essentially insults against us and that he wouldn't stop following us, even after multiple requests.

They also seemed to have developed some sort of telepathic communication. They didn't at all communicate with each other in game, and Don certainly didn't ever get his radio out to talk to his friends in the forest, nor did he do a specific action that could be taken as a signal.

[grillder]

His response and first was that he didn't know so we pointed our guns and asked again. His response this time was to raise his gun at one of us so me and Merik shouted at him to drop it.

Forgot to quote this. I did reply, and said the other guy's name was Tomi. When I was asked what his full name was, I said I didn't know, his first name was Tomi.

[Jetwells]

This report is not about getting people punished, I put reports up to help develop a better understanding for both parties on situations. The PoV is short and concise as that is the only thing we are reporting you for. The NVFL, Not the RP beforehand, nothing that happened during, Only the deniability to have some further hostile RP. We have a good IC reason to do what we are doing currently, we are extremely hostile to any foreign character at the moment, no matter what the situation, that is due to current events that have occurred recently in game.

@Grillder - The report, Like stated is not to have anyone punished, and there is no other way to contact you about said events if i feel you have broken a rule. From my understanding of your PoV, You didn't value your life, I know in character you shouldn't know this, but a rule is you cant harm a compliant hostage, so with you complying, at the back of your mind you should of thought they cant kill me. That would of then been a rule break on our part. But as you say, with multiple men with automatics, your reaction to pull a pistol on the men surrounding you only had one outcome. Death. This is where the NVFL comes into play, we had no chance to progress the role-play. So who knows what would of happened. You have to think of your character as a real person, you cant think of the chance to re-spawn and start fresh and that's where i feel a misunderstanding has taken place.

@porridgeoats - If you had been across a highly nationalistic group who had done something before, would you have not thought about being slightly less rude to someone that is that way. This would of then prevented the situation, so when you were surrounded by the numerous men, as you were distracted facing dragoslav, this is when we made the announcement to pounce, no need for dragoslav to be in radio contact when we had 7 men with eyes on you. We then surrounded the exit you were stood in, and as you turned around you saw us, and then instantly moved away. Without such as a stutter or word. This was when we knew we had to initiate, we could of just had some hostile RP if you decided to stay around. As we initiated you should of realized that the numbers weren't in your favour. I feel it ruined any potential roleplay we could of had by the instant removal of yourself from the realization of being surrounded.

You both died, so you didn't value your life. That in end all is what I see as NVFL.

We do not wish for punishments to be given, but an understanding of the rules for others to see. You both seem to have a misunderstanding of the rules in this area, so this report is a possibility for you both to get a better understanding of what it is exactly that you did wrong, and how it can be prevented in the future. For everyones benefit. Noone had to die today, but 3 people did.

The video evidence is not available. My settings were not set to record dayz but other games it has been recording so i automatically presumed I had. But i feel the PoV are sufficient enough. If the two accused can come to a better understanding of what they have done wrong, and maybe would like to have a chat with myself about the situation, I would prefer that outcome over anything else. I am in the Vlastni Open Comms, so if staff could hold out on any possible outcomes until we have had this discussion if the two would desire to do so.

[porridgeoats]

@porridgeoats - If you had been across a highly nationalistic group who had done something before, would you have not thought about being slightly less rude to someone that is that way. This would of then prevented the situation, so when you were surrounded by the numerous men, as you were distracted facing dragoslav, this is when we made the announcement to pounce, no need for dragoslav to be in radio contact when we had 7 men with eyes on you. We then surrounded the exit you were stood in, and as you turned around you saw us, and then instantly moved away. Without such as a stutter or word. This was when we knew we had to initiate, we could of just had some hostile RP if you decided to stay around. As we initiated you should of realized that the numbers weren't in your favour. I feel it ruined any potential roleplay we could of had by the instant removal of yourself from the realization of being surrounded.

1) I am going to be rude to someone who has been rude to me, especially since my character has reason to despise Chernarussians. Every time my character has been held up in the past by ultra-nationalists has almost always been steered towards him being robbed. My character is not going to stay around a bunch of nationalists, is he? Especially not if he can see he has the potential to be surrounded.

2) Don has literally said "he called the boys down". According to him, it was HIS action to get you lot to come down, so you saying that you made the choice to come down yourselves contradicts his POV.

3) I did say something as I was backing off, as I wrote previously.

4) I only saw ~4 of you, I therefore saw this as almost equal in terms of combat ability due to the equipment and positions me and Chester were in.

5) My character would not stay when he's surrounded by seemingly hostile, and armed, people.

6) Saying that because we both died, we therefore had no value for life is just blatantly wrong. Firstly, not everyone would value their life equally. Dying does not mean we didn't value our lives. For example, my character valued his life to an amount that the risk of dying from retaliating against your hostile actions was worthwhile.

It's almost as if you haven't read anything I wrote.

[Guest]

4) I only saw ~4 of you, I therefore saw this as almost equal in terms of combat ability due to the equipment and positions me and Chester were in.

You saw only 4 of us when all 6 of us were around you,plus Don in front?

[porridgeoats]

4) I only saw ~4 of you, I therefore saw this as almost equal in terms of combat ability due to the equipment and positions me and Chester were in.

You saw only 4 of us when all 6 of us were around you,plus Don in front?

If I backed away when I saw more people approach, I obviously wouldn't see everyone. I didn't stick around for an awful amount of time, and I didn't exactly inspect each and everyone of you.

[grillder]

I see why the report was made now. I assumed I was being reported in order to punish me so I defended myself like so. I get where I went wrong and I'm willing to leave it there and learn from what I did.

[Don]

2) Don has literally said "he called the boys down". According to him, it was HIS action to get you lot to come down, so you saying that you made the choice to come down yourselves contradicts his POV.

Within DAYZRP you do not need to roleplay out the actions of using your radio if you are using teamspeak to communicate to your friends, i did ask my boys to come down when you were standing still facing me, however i believe they were planing on making a move to come down the hill way before you began to leave the tent compound. 

I'm no longer going to post on this report unless specifically requested by staff.

[porridgeoats]

Well, I am willing to move past this regardless. I am sorry things didn't pan out in either of our visions, and I will definitely ensure that I stay in RP situations for longer. I wouldn't have had much of an issue if you mentioned in the first post that you weren't actually trying to get us punished, as I agree situations like this help to clarify the rules and are a necessity for a community to function.

Again, I'm sorry about how things turned out in the situation.

[Ellie]

We are asking that you only post new evidence to this report from now on. No need for the back and forth

[DeeBlack]

Merik Hus POV: Heard that 2 foreigners were insulting Chernarus so about 6 of us were hiding in the forest waiting for information on the two of them. they attempted to leave after insults were being tossed around (from what I heard from TS) and then asked if we should move in, we were given the go ahead and moved in towards them. I whistled to show them the number of men behind them and they saw and began to walk away, given this we initiated to capture and RP with them and one ran (Tomi) ran and was gunned down by 4 or more whilst I and Don kept guns on Chester. When Tomi was dead we moved Chester to the woods stripping his of his mosin and MP5 and searching for a radio, we moved him deep into the forest and I put my gun to his head to get him to reveal his intentions and the name of his partner (they had blue armbands so I assumed IC they were RedFields) failing this I screamed at him and he pulled his pistol and aimed at one of my men, I proceeded to gun him down. Mine and Dragoslav guns were pretty much in his face when he attempted to pull a weapon.

[Ellie]

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Do any of you have any video evidence to bring to light?

[porridgeoats]

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Do any of you have any video evidence to bring to light?

Neither of us do, no.

[Hassan]

Verdict

Tommi Kenny ~ NVFL ~ Guilty

Chester Li ~ NVFL ~ Guilty

Reason

We as staff have looked over this report and came to the conclusion that Tommi Kenny & Chester Li are both guilty of NVFL.

First off we'll explain why both of you are guilty of NVFL. In your POV's you admit to it just being the two of you while there being at least six of the OP's party. In post #6 Chester Li you say you were pinned up against a tree after they initiated while being shouted at and guns pointed at you, you then claim this is good enough reason to try and take them all on, you say that fear for your life is what caused you to aim your gun at them. In a scenario where you're a hostage and you're not yet being shot you're more likely to make it out alive rather than pointing your pistol at a group of people, if you truly had value for your characters life you should not have aimed a weapon at your captors. You should've known that you had very slim chances to make it out alive if you pointed that gun. 

Now Tommi Kenny in your POV in post #7 you do realize that there's a lot of them following you yet when they do drop the initiation you decide to retaliate anyway. We understand that situations like this can be hectic, but you have to think before you shoot. In this case with all the POV's we have it's clear that the odd's of you making it out of that situation alive were very slim. Much like Chester, you both should've known that retaliating most likely would've ended up with you both dead, yet you did it anyway.

Just because you technically do have KOS rights on the initiators does not mean you can act in a way that shows no value for your character life. As shown in this rule here for what NOT to do.

Always prioritize the roleplay, the situation could've went on for a longer time and caused IC development between the two groups of people. Shooting should be last resort especially if you know that you'll probably die by doing so.

Also just to comment on the attitude in the report. Making comments like "This is my first experience on this server and I'm pretty astounded how petty this report is against me" and comments about the communication and accents of the other party are completely unnecessary. In the future if you have to post a POV please keep it as calm as possible. 

Outcome

Tommi Kenny ~ NVFL ~ 3 days, 10 points

Chester Li ~ NVFL ~ 3 days, 10 points