RP2: KoS/Attempted KoS/MisID North of Novy - 04-02-2016 4:30

[The Marshal]

Server and location: S2 North of Novy

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 04-02-2016 4:30

Your in game name: John Waters

Names of allies involved: Lilly Winters, Leonard Church, Logan Powell, Roman Yolkin, Cyril Yolkin, and others

Name of suspect/s: Logs will show

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): I happened to be streaming. Get shot sometime after 36 minutes. http://www.twitch.tv/the_dayz_marshal/v/40279074

Detailed description of the events:

I went to pick up the Yolkin brothers who had called for help over the radio. We bypassed a hostile situation in Novy, making it WELL known we were not involved and did not wish to be dragged in, the party inside understood, and we were approached by Johnny Denver. He informed us of the firefight and situation down in town. We decided to move way north into the treeline out of Novy, letting the older Yolkin brother rest. I was in the middle of typing a statement when shots were fired, and I was hit in the chest(Somehow surviving) by a high caliber round from what I suspect to be an SVD. One of my people, Leonard Church, was shot in the head. Myself and the rest of the group stayed in RP, reacting to the event completely naturally. We ran out of the area, you can amuse yourself with the pain and medical RP that followed.

[Ellie]

Kill Logs:

03:26:45 | Player "Leonard Church" has been killed by player "Lukeh Nirkov"

Hit Logs:

03:26:45 | "Lukeh Nirkov SHOT Leonard Church by Winchester70 into LeftArm."
03:26:45 | "Leonard Church STATUS S::1000 B::2430.94 H::4551.7 HP::0."
03:26:45 | "Lukeh Nirkov SHOT Leonard Church by Winchester70 into LeftArm."
03:26:45 | "Leonard Church STATUS S::1500 B::1930.94 H::4351.7 HP::0."
03:26:45 | "Lukeh Nirkov SHOT Leonard Church by Winchester70 into Chest."
03:26:45 | "Leonard Church STATUS S::2500 B::930.94 H::3951.7 HP::0."

Connection Logs:

04:02:45 | Player "Lukeh Nirkov" has been disconnected

03:35:44 | Player "Leonard Church" has been disconnected

Calling in Lukeh Nirkov to this report. At this point we would like to ask the accused for any names of any allies involved in this situation.

Unfortunately the hit logs on Marshal did not register at this time.

[The Marshal]

Adding in information I have gathered, it seems that Lukeh also shot me, proven by video. BUT, the situation in which these shots were fired for happened BEFORE Lukeh logged in, therefore he wouldn't have had KoS rights even if he did correctly identify the right people rather than assuming that it was the guys he was looking for based off of one piece of headgear.

[Noxious]

Lukeh Nirkov POV

Video link of me killing Mitchel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3tMu5A7dNg&feature=youtu.be

Now, at the current time there was a firefight between two factions, these being the LOVEC and the Gamblers. I had arrived late and had IC information on type of clothing people were wearing. Now as you can see in the video I was really tense, breathing very heavy after just hearing that some of my men had been flanked and killed, a sniper (w1ked) had reported seeing the pack of Gamblers at the scrap yard just around 300 meters away from where the video is seen. I went for a full flank trying to get the angle on the Gamblers when I spotted a large group of people standing at the coordinates 077 074 (Lesnoy Khrebet), I got into posistion and ID a man that fit a description of what Ryan Cuff (a man that had eyes on the group in town just before) had described (the motor bike helmet guy), I waited and even in the audio you can hear me saying clothing types and me getting overly excited. I calmed my breath and I fired a shot, hitting him and then again to finish the job. 

Now with information that I have gathered now, I now know that it was the Trust, and if I had known it was them and not the Gamblers I would not have fired because the Trust and LOVEC are at a alliance with one another (and hopefully still are). I am very sorry to the man I have bought into this gunfight and will give full assistance in getting down to a result with this situation. 

Thank you

[The Marshal]

I had arrived late and had IC information

So you were not involved in the initial situation? You didn't have eyes on anything that happened(Leading to the mis-ID) and were outside of the 500M? You've just admitted to this, you arrived late. Perhaps if you were there to identify the hostiles yourself this wouldn't have happened.

I would also like to involve Keira with this report if possible, she was involved in the situation that we were killed for.

[Noxious]

Adding in information I have gathered, it seems that Lukeh also shot me, proven by video. BUT, the situation in which these shots were fired for happened BEFORE Lukeh logged in, therefore he wouldn't have had KoS rights even if he did correctly identify the right people rather than assuming that it was the guys he was looking for based off of one piece of headgear.

I was running to the location, from Staroye. I was at the situation when one of my friends Aires Chri was executed (OOC info), this can be a indicated to say I was still coming while the firefight was still going on.

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Clearing something up aswell, not changing my story. Yes I arrived late, but one of my other members w1ked did in fact see the execution of Aires at the time. w1ked then told me that he was executed, then allowing me rights of KOS on gamblers. That's when my information that Ryan Cuff had mentioned to me came into play.

[The Marshal]

I was running to the location, from Staroye. I was at the situation when one of my friends Aires Chri was executed (OOC info), this can be a indicated to say I was still coming while the firefight was still going on.

Staroye is much farther than 500m, as is the location we were at, was 1,200m+ away from the town below, where there was SUPPOSEDLY a firefight still ongoing? Why would a hostile group be moving AWAY from an ongoing firefight while others continued in a town with as many numbers as I had with me? Majority of the people with me did NOT have weapons out, and I don't see your explanation as a justifiable reason for taking the shot just because one of my guys wore a common piece of headgear.

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No, being told about an execution does NOT give you KoS rights. At ALL. You have to be involved in the situation directly, you CANNOT transfer KoS rights.

[Noxious]

I started off at Staroye! Check the logs it took me some time to get to Novy from my spawn time! Also are you to tell me that if MY MEN are getting killed, executed and tortured? And if I am with in range of helping my brothers out in a time of need, I not going to it? Another thing mate, Aires was killed towards the south of the scrapyard, technically your within 500m of this, you hear shots you move away, not stay within the area of where its all happening. Seriously its all a misunderstanding, you were in the area where it was happening, your group was in the prime position of where I was going to ambush the Gamblers, I was heading there when I spotted a group around the same size as the Gamblers themselves. I ID'd a guy, I fired the shot.

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I was running to the location, from Staroye. I was at the situation when one of my friends Aires Chri was executed (OOC info), this can be a indicated to say I was still coming while the firefight was still going on.

Staroye is much farther than 500m, as is the location we were at, was 1,200m+ away from the town below, where there was SUPPOSEDLY a firefight still ongoing? Why would a hostile group be moving AWAY from an ongoing firefight while others continued in a town with as many numbers as I had with me? Majority of the people with me did NOT have weapons out, and I don't see your explanation as a justifiable reason for taking the shot just because one of my guys wore a common piece of headgear.

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No, being told about an execution does NOT give you KoS rights. At ALL. You have to be involved in the situation directly, you CANNOT transfer KoS rights.

I was recently apart of the situation, I was listening to my men die on the way there! Plus when I get there, Im informed although I cannot see, I am told Talon is dead. All within 500m

[The Marshal]

Watch the stream I posted, we met up at the scrapyard and left the area as soon as shots were fired. There was no execution that happened while we were there. And YES, you started of at Staroye, and it took you some time. Admitting again, you were not within the range. You do not get to circumvent the rules I posted above, taken directly from the community page, just because you feel like it.

You ID'd a guy. You ID'd the wrong guy, because you weren't involved in the event! THIS is why we have the rules set in place, THIS is why we follow the rules. One of my men is dead because you didn't follow said rules, and he took it as a permadeath.

You were also ONE guy versus 8 people or more, I can also put NVFL into this if you wish?

[Post]

I hate to be that guy, but at 20:00 we warn you of an active firefight, and to leave the area. I will say there's obvious miscommunication because Johnny for some reason then proceeds to stop you in conversation, which I am not sure why because we were actively in a firefight. I get the desire to roleplay, but we were trying our best in the house to warn people, and move them outside the area. Johnny even notes there is a situation going on, and advised you all to stay away. Again, I don't blame you, I think it's unfair members of our group kept you there in conversation, but you knew the risks. We warned you of a firefight in Novy. At 31:00, now 11 minutes later, you're STILL in Novy Sobor. You then don't proceed to go towards Gorka, but instead decide to double back and cut across fields above Novy, right after Johnny warns you of snipers in the trees. You take a two minute pitstop again in the woods above Novy, and assign someone to scout for anyone following you.

I'm not saying anyone is in the right or wrong, who had KOS rights or not, but you were told 16 minutes prior there was a gunfight, and you managed to make it a total of about 700meters. I have no comment on the other claims of non-KOS rights, but I am stating that you were warned 16 minutes prior there was a gunfight. Sorry that the person died, and it doesn't excuse it, but I do believe there could be a rather obvious misunderstanding and lack of judgement on both parties, not just one.

[Noxious]

Watch the stream I posted, we met up at the scrapyard and left the area as soon as shots were fired. There was no execution that happened while we were there. And YES, you started of at Staroye, and it took you some time. Admitting again, you were not within the range. You do not get to circumvent the rules I posted above, taken directly from the community page, just because you feel like it.

You ID'd a guy. You ID'd the wrong guy, because you weren't involved in the event! THIS is why we have the rules set in place, THIS is why we follow the rules. One of my men is dead because you didn't follow said rules, and he took it as a permadeath.

You were also ONE guy versus 8 people or more, I can also put NVFL into this if you wish?

I was around 200 meters away Marshall, with a silencer, I had the upper hand. Like you said you men didn't have there guns out, easy pickings correct, I shot 3 shots and ran for it to re position, I then re aim  towards to guys and you are no-where to be seen. So I run off to another ambush position.

[The Marshal]

We were told there was a firefight in the TOWN, yes. We moved north, got held up in conversation by Denver, figured we were far enough away to react to any gunfire in time. Shots were fired, we moved even further away, into some trees, assuming we were out of the line of sight of the town. For RP reasons we had to take a stop, as we had Roman Yolkin who could not make it very far running. I assigned someone to make sure we didn't get run up on, and it was AND IS STILL my opinion that we were not in the area of an active firefight being in the clearing we were. The fight was brought to us by a sniper that didn't understand a situation that, in his own words, a 'Full flank', meaning long way around, outside of the area.

Right... no guns out. So how were we involved in a active firefight over a thousand meters away? Easy pickings? Hm... where were our yellow armbands? There's a good point...

I'm done saying anything until Staff requires me.

[Ellie]

Calling in Kyra Chambers to this report. And please lets not turn this into a back and forth, or cluttering up the thread. Only post relevant and new information from here on out

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-snip-

So wiked informed you he was executed? How did he inform you of his own execution?

[Noxious]

Funny story- During the situation Ryan spoke to a Gambler and even asked "are you a Gambler" or along those lines.. Ryan then spoke to me and said, "this is weird, this guy just said he wasn't a Gambler but I know for a fact he is" (OOC Info). So this can prove that some of the Gamblers don't want to be named as a Gambler, like undercover or something? The Gamblers name is unknown unfortunately.

Last post, I'll say again, I did not mean to kill a Trust member, I miss ID'd.

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Calling in Kyra Chambers to this report. And please lets not turn this into a back and forth, or cluttering up the thread. Only post relevant and new information from here on out

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So wiked informed you he was executed? How did he inform you of his own execution?

Talon was the one who was executed. Not w1ked.

[Autumn]

Talon was the one who was executed. Not w1ked.

Then how did w1ked inform you of Talon's execution?

[Keira]

I am heading to bed at the moment, I have work in the morning. I will post my POV ASAP tomorrow.

[Noxious]

Talon was the one who was executed. Not w1ked.

Then how did w1ked inform you of Talon's execution?

w1ked was the one who informed me, because he was in Lesnoy Khrebet, sees the execution and then relays it to me, as I enter Lesnoy. When I got in range of the area of the execution I start to flank but then my flank is interrupted by a large number of men.

[w1ked]

I hate to be that guy, but at 20:00 we warn you of an active firefight, and to leave the area.  I will say there's obvious miscommunication because Johnny for some reason then proceeds to stop you in conversation, which I am not sure why because we were actively in a firefight.  I get the desire to roleplay, but we were trying our best in the house to warn people, and move them outside the area.  Johnny even notes there is a situation going on, and advised you all to stay away.  Again, I don't blame you, I think it's unfair members of our group kept you there in conversation, but you knew the risks.  We warned you of a firefight in Novy.  At 31:00, now 11 minutes later, you're STILL in  Novy Sobor.  You then don't proceed to go towards Gorka, but instead decide to double back and cut across fields above Novy, right after Johnny warns you of snipers in the trees.  You take a two minute pitstop again in the woods above Novy, and assign someone to scout for anyone following you.

I'm not saying anyone is in the right or wrong, who had KOS rights or not, but you were told 16 minutes prior there was a gunfight, and you managed to make it a total of about 700meters.  I have no comment on the other claims of non-KOS rights, but I am stating that you were warned 16 minutes prior there was a gunfight.  Sorry that the person died, and it doesn't excuse it, but I do believe there could be a rather obvious misunderstanding and lack of judgement on both parties, not just one.

^^this 100%.

also  (marshall)

Watch the stream I posted, we met up at the scrapyard and left the area as soon as shots were fired. There was no execution that happened while we were there. And YES, you started of at Staroye, and it took you some time. Admitting again, you were not within the range. You do not get to circumvent the rules I posted above, taken directly from the community page, just because you feel like it.

You ID'd a guy. You ID'd the wrong guy, because you weren't involved in the event! THIS is why we have the rules set in place, THIS is why we follow the rules. One of my men is dead because you didn't follow said rules, and he took it as a permadeath.

You were also ONE guy versus 8 people or more, I can also put NVFL into this if you wish?

Man, you obviously dont get it. You have no idea what you're talking about....You just said you went to scrapyard.. thats NOT leaving the area, it wasn't just a single pinpoint 50m  wide area in novy. IT WAS LITERALLY EVERYWHERE IN AND AROUND NOVY. Every building, every field. everything. You very well knew you were in the middle of a firefight situation.... yet you still decided to stay even after 15 + minutes.

YOU don't get to decided where the firefight was or was not happening, and that's what you keep trying to do.

WE are telling you that you were directly in the middle of the firefight. LITERALLY in the middle. As POST already pointed out, you made it a total of 700m in 15+ minutes.... I personally think its less.

As far as KOS rights... the situation had BEEN going on for at LEAST an hour. Lukeh may not have been there for the START, but by the time talon was executed he was already within 500m. AND he was a part of our group, giving him KOS rights.

It's clear as day even from his video alone that it is misidentification.. you can CLEARLY hear everyone in TS scrambling to figure out whos who. considering the LAST known location of any gamblers was north of novy... hmm and go figure thats exactly where the scrap yard is, and yet you still claim than you "left the area"

Look man, we're sorry you got killed. it sucks, we feel bad..... but to go ahead with this report and pursuing it as hard as you hard, grasping at ANY thing you can to get him in trouble or convince people he broke the rules is ridiculous.

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Watch the stream I posted, we met up at the scrapyard and left the area as soon as shots were fired. There was no execution that happened while we were there. And YES, you started of at Staroye, and it took you some time. Admitting again, you were not within the range. You do not get to circumvent the rules I posted above, taken directly from the community page, just because you feel like it.

You ID'd a guy. You ID'd the wrong guy, because you weren't involved in the event! THIS is why we have the rules set in place, THIS is why we follow the rules. One of my men is dead because you didn't follow said rules, and he took it as a permadeath.

You were also ONE guy versus 8 people or more, I can also put NVFL into this if you wish?

lol @ you starting with NVFL ... keep grasping at as many straws as you can.

There were at least 8 of us... some died, one got captured.. others were flanking. 

Who are you to tell US how many people we had ? Who are you to tell US what was happening???

-USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST-

A minute ago you said " there was no execution while we were around" REALLY?? How do you know that? Are you a wizard?

I'm done posting.

[The Marshal]

Lol. I know what I know. I know what JOHNNY, the one who was directly involved in executing the guy, told me. I know a lot more than I've said, and you having this cute little attitude with me isn't helping your groups case. If you'll notice, I've not added NVFL to the accusations here so you can cut that little quip right in the bud. As well as telling me what I do and do not know.

We were told there was a firefight in NOVY. we were not inside Novy, we were in the trees above it, and moving away(Yes at a slow rate, because of ROLEPLAY) Roleplay reasons. I literally do not care about this argument of yours telling me I was in an active firefight area. No, there were not shots whizzing over our heads. At all. We were in a cut clearing with limited visibility after moving out of an area, trying to get everyone together and one of our people had to drink water very badly. I value ROLEPLAY over everything, and that's supported by the fact that I din't immediately go in TS screaming KOS KOS, and instead rolled with the event and din't go OOC with my people for OVER AN HOUR, even once. I'm not grasping at straws, I'm not 'desperate to get someone in trouble', I'm teaching someone a lesson for a clear and blatant rulebreak because they acted without full and complete information.

I was told in TS the video said a man was identified with a motorcycle helmet. He wasn't. It was confirmed ANOTHER man whom was already dead and Lukeh said 'I'M TAKING THE SHOT' because he wanted to. No understanding. He's going off of only radio'd information because he WASN'T INVOLVED. And one of mine died for it.

So watch your tone.

[Keira]

Okay, so basically, the situation I was involved with was around the start of everything. It was myself, Tucker, Ryan, Wicked, Tortilla, Mikal, Mario, Talon, Finnr, and Mohawk. We were a fairly large group circling around Novy and Stary and there might've been others present but that is the only names I can remember and I wrote them down last night so I wouldn't forget. We were in a field and someone saw someone running in a field near us so we all laid down until the guy ran straight into us and then everyone popped up and started talking to him to find out who he was. He was Jacques of the Gamblers and Ryan IC told him we were the "kindergartners" in which I IC introduced myself and said I was part of the roamers and that I was a trader. Jac then told them they should work on a new name for their group and We ended up moving away from the man but he followed along with us until we came across a group of 3-4 in another field which turned out to be gamblers. One of them, I believe Post but I am not sure, began talking to us about how he was surprised there were 4 girls in the group and how he hadn't seen so many girls in one spot. More of their group started showing up and they began putting on their armbands and letting us know they were gamblers. Somehow or another we all trickled away and got separated, myself and Mikal and Mario (I think) ended up hitting a bush in a field and crashing instantly. This is when we hear over comms that the gamblers had captured Ryan and they were telling him to say over his radio for his group to come to the church in Novy to come get him and from what I could tell the other lovecs were surrounding the area of the church and moving about after being separated and trying to figure out what to do about Ryan. When I finally logged back in, I was lost and alone in a field that I crashed in and by this point the whole thing had been going on for an hour maybe more. I let them know over comms that I would not be participating in any rescue because I was not Lovec and thus would remain neutral. I kept getting lost around the area (because I suck at navigating and was lagging pretty badly) and I eventually ran into Roman Yolkin (sp?) and his brother. We chatted for a minute about their shop and then I finally saw a road so I left the area. I do not know when Lukeh entered the area and I do not know when Marshal entered the area because I was not around either. By this point Lovec was in their own private comms and I decided to meet up IC with James Graham to head to Vishnoye. I am not sure what my POV is going to help prove or disprove but there it is.

TLDR and chain of events:

• BIG GROUP - started out as Tucker, Ryan, Wicked, Tortilla, Mikal, Mario, Talon, and Finnr and Mohawk and Myself
  
• Ran into Jacques in Field, he mentions being a gambler
  
• Group moves, Jac trails along
  
• Finnr and Mohawk log off
  
• Other group of gamblers encounter us
  
• Our group gets dispersed and separated out of miscommunication
  
• Bush & crash - Me, Mikal, Mario
  
• Ryan Gets Taken
  
• Gamblers tell Lovec to meet them at the church
  
• Lovec is still divided and spread out in the area
  
• Logged back in - alone in field, others I crashed with no where in sight
  
• Lovecs move to private comms
  
• Alone I leave the area to meet up with James Graham
  

If I need to provide anyone more details please let me know.

[w1ked]

Lol. I know what I know. I know what JOHNNY, the one who was directly involved in executing the guy, told me. I know a lot more than I've said, and you having this cute little attitude with me isn't helping your groups case. If you'll notice, I've not added NVFL to the accusations here so you can cut that little quip right in the bud. As well as telling me what I do and do not know.

We were told there was a firefight in NOVY. we were not inside Novy, we were in the trees above it, and moving away(Yes at a slow rate, because of ROLEPLAY) Roleplay reasons. I literally do not care about this argument of yours telling me I was in an active firefight area. No, there were not shots whizzing over our heads. At all. We were in a cut clearing with limited visibility after moving out of an area, trying to get everyone together and one of our people had to drink water very badly. I value ROLEPLAY over everything, and that's supported by the fact that I din't immediately go in TS screaming KOS KOS, and instead rolled with the event and din't go OOC with my people for OVER AN HOUR, even once. I'm not grasping at straws, I'm not 'desperate to get someone in trouble', I'm teaching someone a lesson for a clear and blatant rulebreak because they acted without full and complete information.

I was told in TS the video said a man was identified with a motorcycle helmet. He wasn't. It was confirmed ANOTHER man whom was already dead and Lukeh said 'I'M TAKING THE SHOT' because he wanted to. No understanding. He's going off of only radio'd information because he WASN'T INVOLVED. And one of mine died for it.

So watch your tone.

Well I apologize that my "tone" rubbed you the wrong way while you were reading it. And as I've also been warned for it, apparently other people also took my tone as negative, or harsh, or whatever...

Since it was text, i dont know how someone else can tell me how I intended something to sound... I thought(and still think) my post was/is fine. I was strictly pointing out the facts of the events. Sorry if you misinterpreted my post, it was not meant in any way.. I suppose i was frustrated when typing, so maybe thats what you're picking up on.... Again, I apologize if it came off wrong.

If you noticed, I APOLOGIZED in my first post for you being killed ... had i intended my response in a malicious way, i would not have apologized

Anyways, moving on...

What I keep trying to explain though, is that by "Active firefight" we mean that there is a conflict going on in the area... That does not automatically mean you're going to have bullets snapping wizzing by your head and gunshots in the distance... They were held up inside a church, and by the time you strolled into town there was 3 of us give or take(lovec) left, and we were sniping with silencers.. So just because you didn't hear gunshots, does not mean that you were clear of the active firefight.

Talon was sniping and i was spotting, together we only fired a total of maybe 6 or 7 shots all together,(so you wouldn't have heard many shots, if any at all) and they were with improvised silencers. I ended up breaking away from talon and moved up closer, he was eventually captured and executed... that's when lukeh came into it.

But as you've already pointed out, and i quote :

I literally do not care about this argument of yours telling me I was in an active firefight area. No, there were not shots whizzing over our heads. At all.

So even though you were warned to leave(TWICE), and that it was a dangerous place.... You just admitted you chose to ignore it because YOU FELT that you weren't in danger, even though you were. Sorry dude, but SNIPERS do not have automatic weapons. SNIPERS stay hidden, and move quietly... and you KNEW there were snipers in the woods as you were warned of that also. So even though you were warned you chose not to care. Thats YOUR OWN FAULT. you ADMITTED IT.

I also do not know why you keep brining up NVFL.... That literally has nothing to do with anything, and is why i said you are grasping at straws because it clearly wasn't NVFL. You couldn't report anyone for NVFL even if you wanted to. When the fight started it was roughly 10 on 10 give or take. They indeed killed some of us, and captured some as well... In exchange we also killed a few of them as well...(later OOC finding out between 4-6) mimicking a real life situation, there is no definitive way to tell how many we killed, or if they were wounded.. etc. So how could you possibly threaten him with NVFL?? How is anyone in an active firefight supposed to be aware of how many of his own guys are KIA when we are all separated? Radio? even then IC there could be many reasons for a radio to go dead.

Besides, even if we didn't kill any of them, according to your theory, anytime any group lost guys in a firefight they would have to surrender or risk being reported for NVFL?? cmon man that's insanity.(because IC, you wouldn't specifically know when/if your people have indeed been killed. Theoretically speaking, if you were on radios and someone was killed, they would just go silent, which could mean many different things... you wouldn't just KNOW they died. You ALSO wouldn't specifically know how many enemies were involved either)

so you can cut that little quip right in the bud. As well as telling me what I do and do not know.

Uhh... that's literally exactly what you're doing with us.. hence my frustration in my post. You keep insisting that you know exactly what happened on our side of things.. apparently knowing the exact timeline better than we do, and know exact locations of our guys at all times.. which is clearly not the case (Which is why i asked if you were a wizard. Sorry if it was offensive) And you've also already admitted/told us that YOU decided what was safe and what was not. How can YOU (whos not involved) tell US(the people involved) what is or isn't a dangerous area/firefight zone??? I don't get it. 

Anyways..

The only thing lukeh is guilty of is MISIDENTIFICATION. I'm literally telling you (because i was THERE for things you couldn't POSSIBLY know. NO one but myself talon and lukeh could possibly know.) that lukeh was within 500m of talons execution....

 You are attacking everyone personally as if we wanted to kill some random strangers. You could obviously tell that it was a very high stress situation... it was extremely tense.. hearts racing, palms sweaty. It was very intense on all sides... and you're attacking him/us in a very personal way.. as if we didn't give a crap about anything other than killing people.

Everyone was on edge, we apologize for you dying.. no one intended for that to happen... because seriously, how does anyone on our side benefit from killing a random stranger?? What would anyone gain from that??? Its not like anyone looted him, or cared to loot him. No one likes dealing with reports either. No one wants a report against them..especially over a senseless killing of a stranger..Do you understand where I'm coming from? And then you keep bringing up / threatening us with NVFL which is insanity, and that's what has frustrated me and led me to believe you are just itching to get someone in trouble for a CLEAR mistake...

Even POST said you guys had been warned and should've left. Hes the one who pointed out that you had stayed in the area for 20+ minutes making it 500 meters....  But you claim you were roleplaying? Really? Because after watching your video, you certainly didn't roleplay the situation as if you were in a dangerous area and your life was in danger..  Basically a random stranger yelled out a window telling you that you are in a very dangerous place where people are shooting at each other and warned you that you could be mistaken for someone else and end up dead. But you casually continued walking and strolling around as if you were in a land of butterflies and rainbows, stopping many times in many different areas. You may have been roleplaying internally, but you CERTAINLY did not roleplay according to the external threats around you.

You say you value roleplay over everything.. Well. obviously not. or you would've sprinted, taken cover.. acted scared....SOMETHING. You had absolutely no reaction to the guy telling you that you were in middle of firefight zone /  dangerous place. You blatantly ignored it dude. In fact after running 100m you say "Ok guys lets slow it down a bit..." WHY would you slow down when you were JUST told there was a firefight going on?! You very very very blatantly ignored any external threats and you have the video evidence to prove it.

Please. Please stop grasping at straws trying to get people in trouble for MISTAKES. YOU are just as much as fault for not taking precautions/listening to advice to LEAVE.

You were told TWICE to leave the area, and you were also told @ 00:23:24 of your video that there were snipers in the trees/woods .........and you decide to go stand in the tree line/ in the woods? THAT'S where you decide is SAFE?  DIRECTLY in between/middle of the wooded area( where you were told there were snipers) and Novy... where you were also warned to stay out of... hmmm... So that puts you DIRECTLY in between the sniper and his targets.. (group of about 5 guys resembling you..) .. but yet you STILL want to put the blame on solely on lukeh? and not take responsibility for your poor choices?

Stop being arrogant and hard headed. First by telling US (the people involved) where OUR firefight was taking place... It is not up to you to decide where is "safe". If people warn you.. (TWICE) you are in a bad area.. than you're in a bad area!!! Its not your choice! YES he made a mistake and misidentified you and apologized for it. But you need to at least take responsibility / admit your own stubbornness.( Any person in their right mind would flee the area if they were told there was a firefight going on nearby.)It just baffles me that through this whole thing you cannot even admit to the slightest bit of fault on your side.

[Ellie]

I will only say this once, I do not want any back and forth or bickering to begin in this report. This is your only warning. Anything that is deemed unnecessary will be met with points.

[The Marshal]

I've been informed that W1ked is not part of Lovec, and does not have any verbal standing in regards to Lovec opinion, AND was also not involved in the KoS/Attempted KoS so I do not see how his PoV and constant misunderstandings of what I am saying(As well as being under the impression I'm trying to push NVFL) is of any pertinence to this report.

[Pussy]

Verdict

Lukeh Nirkov - KOS and Attempted KOS - Guilty

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Reason

We as staff have reviewed all the available evidence, and have come to the conclusion that Lukeh Nirkov will be found guilty of all charges laid against him.

To the accused and allies of the accused, we feel that it is necessary to explain the act of sharing KOS rights in further detail, as there seems to be a great deal of confusion in the POV's that have been provided. The DayZRP rules regarding KOS rights are as follows:

Firstly --as the first picture of our rules suggests-- "you must make contact with the target before initiating a hostile action against it". This particular excerpt from the rules outlines the need to be involved in the initiation, before being able to harm the individuals for non-compliance. However, you were uninvolved in the initial situation and, in your own words state, you "had arrived late" (post #4). This would mean that in order to harm any non-complying parties, you would have had to re-initiate on them first as you weren't there for the original situation. 

Secondly, you state in your own words that you were "running to the location, from Staroye" (post #6). To refresh the memory of all involved, the "location" was Novy Sobor, as stated in the report by the OP. A distance that is well over the 500 meters allotted  in order to share the KOS rights with members of your party. We as staff would like to state that in order to share KOS rights you must meet both of the outlined conditions in order to meet the criteria --it is not one, or the other. 

All of the above reasons are why you would not have had KOS rights even on the correct enemies of your party. However, the attack was on a group that was not involved in the original hostilities, meaning that you additionally misidentified your assailant and killed an innocent bystander. We would like it to be known, that you must be one-hundred percent certain of who you are shooting at in these situations, as it may negatively effect the experience of other community members; in this case, a permadeath. We would also like the accused to be made aware that while the OP was in favour of just issuing a verbal warning, we will be issuing a punishment based on the issues outlined above. 

In the future, we advise the accused to be aware of his rights (or lack thereof) and appropriately identify their target before risking a KOS punishment.

With the above stated, the following applies.

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Outcome

Lukeh Nirkov - KOS and Attempted KOS - 7 day ban + 1 Banstrike (10 points).