I encountered a racist roleplay today, and it was great.

[Stellaboy]

Before I begin, no i obviously do not condone racism in any way shape or form. Just please, read what happened.

I was roleplaying as Mahammad Farooq, an Iranian national trapped in Chernarus. I was taken by two bandits, and told I ran slow because I ate too many kebabs or something equally silly (and funny.)

They then force-fed me bacon and rasputin kavass (beer)

They asked my permission //ooc before doing so, which I found very good and respectful.

One man claimed to be from Takistan, and was Orthodox, and explained how Muslim Takistanis ruined his life and his country.

I actually found this to be unbelievably immersive and an incredible role play. It was gripping, and terrible, but a perfect glimpse at how reality in a zombie apocalypse could be!

Okay, so I am not suggesting that making a "KKK" is okay, but perhaps that this racism rule might limit the potential for role play if taken too literally or seriously. Discrimination prior to the zombie apocalypse is VERY real, so why would it just go away during it?

I have encountered a few other players being somewhat "controversial." They never used downright racial slurs, however I liked that many players distanced themselves from me initially because of my "faith" and accent. I fear perhaps spectators to this might take this rule perhaps too seriously, and file several reports for otherwise in depth and immersive play.

Please I want to hear what you think. What has your experience been with racism and other roleplays? Again, I want to make it clear I do not condone any sort of racism, nor even the usage of racial slurs, I just hope this rule isn't applied too liberally!

[Loco]

I was around, it's fun with the right people. We later went on to be called jihadis as we were praying to the Allah at sundown but no big deal.

[Prince]

Dayzrp is the most PC zombie apocalypse ever recorded.

Met some fun Nazis back in the mod that made my day. They were still better role players than some of the 2015ers.....(no hate 1 fan)

[Guest Mak]

Every time I've encountered people using racial slurs or being generally racist it always was justified by their character background or RP development. IMO if you RP it out properly you can do whatever you want, also be racist (as long as it does not degenerate into troll RP or whatnot).

[Guest]

There are sections in the forums where you can share your experience, places like this Whose Roleplay Do You Enjoy Today is a great place to thank people for the RP you received. 

No need to create a new thread everything something exciting happens.

-Hyde

[Stellaboy]

I know, I only did this because i didn't want to delve into specifics. I genuinely feared that I would be pressured into giving the information of those I encountered so they may be "punished." I don't want to put them in that spot, and I am truly new and unfamiliar with this community, so I viewed that as a very real possibility. I enjoyed their roleplay, but I don't want to risk punishing them for entering a "grey" area, if you will.

[JakeWalford]

Honestly as long as the role play is good I would be 100% fine with racial slurs and so forth. That's just me personally but I believe as long as its made in an RP capacity it is perfectly fine, and even at times immersive. I believe that for those of us playing some very violently verbal characters racial slurs and so forth can only add to their character. But like I said before, it only work if used in a serious RP capacity. That's just my opinion after years of RP here.

[Grihm]

This is a slippery slope, and as soon as things like this begin to be seen as "OK", the risk or it or other similar horrifying acts can start to take root. It has no room here.

[Guest Callie]

I have no problem with racist RP as long as it's done tastefully and roleplayed out in a serious fashion. Obviously if you're only dropping racial slurs with little to no context is one thing, but if you know what you're doing and keep it within the bounds of good taste, then more power to you.

[AndreyQ]

I have no problem with racist RP as long as it's done tastefully and roleplayed out in a serious fashion. Obviously if you're only dropping racial slurs with little to no context is one thing, but if you know what you're doing and keep it within the bounds of good taste, then more power to you.

I'll +1 my man Shark here.

As long as it has RP sense I don't mind it. But if you go around dropping some racists slurs for no reason at all an only because "it's my character, man" it might be a bit of a problem.

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So yeah I think racist RP is ok.

[Guest]

As mentioned before I too have no problem with racist RP as long as it's done good and with a reason.I wouldn't mind it,and to be honest being called a few nasty words might just be the least of your worries in the zombie apocalypse.

[Jellydonut78]

Possibly dangerous, but if used with limits and directed strongly IC in a strictly RP way then it might be fine. I think it should be used sparingly however.

[Grihm]

I have no problem with racist RP as long as it's done tastefully and roleplayed out in a serious fashion. Obviously if you're only dropping racial slurs with little to no context is one thing, but if you know what you're doing and keep it within the bounds of good taste, then more power to you.

You are an Admin, so you are closer to the rules and regulation knowledge than most i assume + in direct contact with staff, so my question is in regards to this.

From our rules!

DayZRP is a established and mature role playing community. As such, we require our members to behave maturely, politely and with respect towards one another. This rule covers all rude and offensive behaviour that is not allowed in our community. This rule includes but is not limited to actions like griefing, trolling, spamming, advertising, insulting others, being racist or otherwise unpleasant to fellow players. Treat other players the way you would like to be treated in a role playing environment, have fun and remember that it is only a game.

Are we now beginning to see a loosening here or start a terminology of "what is and what is not counted" as Racism? It feels like there is wiggle room here, but have not people been permabanned for racial gameplay before or am I mistaken?

[AndreyQ]

Are we now beginning to see a loosening here or start a terminology of "what is and what is not counted" as Racism? It feels like there is wiggle room here, but have not people been permabanned for racial gameplay before or am I mistaken?

As Shark stated if you go and use racist slurs IG just for the sake of it and having no RP reason behind it then you will get punished.

If however you what you say makes RP sense and it is not too over the line then there is no problem doing it. As it states in the rules:

Now just because Administrator Shark stated that does not mean people will jump IG and try be racist. It is a dangerous area which if done wrong can lead to harsh punishments. I trust people to be mature enough to know what to say and when.

[Roland]

I have no problem with racist RP as long as it's done tastefully and roleplayed out in a serious fashion. Obviously if you're only dropping racial slurs with little to no context is one thing, but if you know what you're doing and keep it within the bounds of good taste, then more power to you.

You are an Admin, so you are closer to the rules and regulation knowledge than most i assume + in direct contact with staff, so my question is in regards to this.

From our rules!

DayZRP is a established and mature role playing community. As such, we require our members to behave maturely, politely and with respect towards one another. This rule covers all rude and offensive behaviour that is not allowed in our community. This rule includes but is not limited to actions like griefing, trolling, spamming, advertising, insulting others, being racist or otherwise unpleasant to fellow players. Treat other players the way you would like to be treated in a role playing environment, have fun and remember that it is only a game.

Are we now beginning to see a loosening here or start a terminology of "what is and what is not counted" as Racism? It feels like there is wiggle room here, but have not people been permabanned for racial gameplay before or am I mistaken?

I think the above is Sharks personal stand on the issue

As you probably know, our rules are free to interpretation. You could argue "What is advertising?", "What is insulting others?" and in the end the final interpretation is up to the staff. Sharks interpretation is in this case that he would allow certain racist RP if it was good and justified. However, not all admins or staff members perhaps share that opinion. So, the bottom line would be - no, it's not allowed as per official rules, but yes - it's up to interpretation on case-to-case basis.

Oh and yeah, people have been permabanned for RPing racist characters previously.

[Grihm]

I think the above is Sharks personal stand on the issue

As you probably know, our rules are free to interpretation. You could argue "What is advertising?", "What is insulting others?" and in the end the final interpretation is up to the staff. Sharks interpretation is in this case that he would allow certain racist RP if it was good and justified. However, not all admins or staff members perhaps share that opinion. So, the bottom line would be - no, it's not allowed as per official rules, but yes - it's up to interpretation on case-to-case basis.

Oh and yeah, people have been permabanned for RPing racist characters previously.

Tnx for the input. A bit worried that certain areas are getting too much of a "grey area" when they deserve none. We all play games for a bit of fun and relaxation. Some parts of everyday life could very easily be removed to 100% without anyone missing it. This would be one.

[Nightfury]

I think the above is Sharks personal stand on the issue

As you probably know, our rules are free to interpretation. You could argue "What is advertising?", "What is insulting others?" and in the end the final interpretation is up to the staff. Sharks interpretation is in this case that he would allow certain racist RP if it was good and justified. However, not all admins or staff members perhaps share that opinion. So, the bottom line would be - no, it's not allowed as per official rules, but yes - it's up to interpretation on case-to-case basis.

Oh and yeah, people have been permabanned for RPing racist characters previously.

Tnx for the input. A bit worried that certain areas are getting too much of a "grey area" when they deserve none. We all play games for a bit of fun and relaxation. Some parts of everyday life could very easily be removed to 100% without anyone missing it. This would be one.

If you are thinking that way though that every bad thing in RL should be 100% removed, then the problem would be that everyone would be way too nice, what everyone else said, be used within reason, but my personal opinion is that there should be a bit more "bad" things allowed, not over the top or made trolly but just enough so you could have a "Redneck" group or something, if done right, that would cause good RP.

[Mademoiselle]

I have no problem with racism towards me.... Hell  I was called a cracker irl thinking it was a compliment because I love crackers... But I don't be racist to others because normally people take things to heart and then the shit show begins or conflict.

[Prince]

Oh and yeah, people have been permabanned for RPing racist characters previously.

Like the novy nazis in dec 2013....

Rping racist characters is walking a slippery slope.

[Nightngale]

Prince, please...

I have absolutely no issue with racist rp. If you let it get to you, then it's your issue. Just like irl if someone calls you a slur, just keep walking. Just words.

[Prince]

Prince, please...

I have absolutely no issue with racist rp. If you let it get to you, then it's your issue. Just like irl if someone calls you a slur, just keep walking. Just words.

M8 I'm a white sis scum /pol/itician

This thread needed more 80's style anime

[Brad]

I think there is definitely a line that can be walked but people need to be careful not to cross it.

Think of it this way, if the racism defines who the character is, and that is literally the only thing people can draw as a conclusion, then it is likely being done wrong.

If however among the many layers of the character and many layers of how that character is rp'd is some racist views, you might not have a problem.  If people are so engaged in your rp that they understand why your character would believe that.  You are doing it right.

A hard balance to find, and easy to say this would be one of if not the hardest style of RP to do right.  Use caution and probably a lot of tact, before attempting.

[Dougie]

case-to-case basis.

aka whenever you want someone permabanned? :troll:

[Luca]

Every time I've encountered people using racial slurs or being generally racist it always was justified by their character background or RP development. IMO if you RP it out properly you can do whatever you want, also be racist (as long as it does not degenerate into troll RP or whatnot).

+100

[Roland]

case-to-case basis.

aka whenever you want someone permabanned? :troll:

Exactly.