Bad Rp?

[Hebee]

Hey there,

I was wondering what staffs thoughts are on forced kissing, not just a peck on the cheek, wet 'juicy' kisses. I know that 'rape rp' is strictly forbidden, as it should be, But is forced french kissing not? or is there a line? 

- http://www.dayzrp.com/t-Invalid-execution-BadRP      This report is where I am pulling this from

-This is what raises this question,  as it seems that there is a grey area here.

But I know for a fact if i were forced into an action like this it would bother me a lot oocly and I would refuse to engage in such Rp. 

So I guess part of my question is,

Is forced sexual RP, forcing someone into a situtation where they are obviously uncomfortable ooc and IC and bordeline if not rule breaking okay as long as the person apologizes and there is good Rp as it seems to state in this supposed statement from staff? 

Because I do remember 

http://www.dayzrp.com/t-S2-SexualRP-TrollRP-Meta-and-attempted-God-Modding 

The person that was banned in this report did not even force the person to engage in such activities, just infact talked about it. 

-----Granted yes she went OOC and let them know they were uncomfortable with the RP but, should we really have to go ooc as it is pretty obvious to everyone that RP like this makes people uncomfortable. 

Infact, I do believe that in many reports it has been stated in many situations where someone has gone OOC complaining about a rulebreak.

Do not go OOC unless it is an emergency.

Also does the gender of the effected person(s) matter? Say i had two girls hostage and made them kiss would that get a more negative reaction? Say I had a girl and a guy hostage and made them kiss. Say i had a girl hostage and made her kiss me, is that okay? 

[Dusty]

I was curious of this as well. The kissing wasn't even mentioned in the verdict, and I thought that was odd because it would be very very likely get a bad RP/sexual RP verdict if the sexes of the people were both female, maybe even a permaban. It might even get a guilty verdict if it was a male and female forced to kiss.

[Jack the Ripper]

I don't know about this being BadRP, but I do see it as a form of power-gaming. This is forcing somebody to do something that they're uncomfortable with OOC and threatening their character with death if they do not do it.

Though homosexuality is common these days, and it is generally accepted, that does NOT mean that people feel comfortable having a homosexual situation forced upon themselves. Just because they accept OTHER people engaging in such activity, does not mean that they want to or feel comfortable with engaging in it themselves.

I feel that anybody that forced two people to do something they're not comfortable with OOC, and do not obtain OOC consent, then they should face a power-gaming verdict, including this.

THe easiest way to avoid these kind of reports, is to tell the other person OOC that you're uncomfortable with the situation if they're attempting to force it upon your character. Simple as that.

[Levy]

You can't force anybody to do anything OOC really, so I'm not sure why that statement keeps being repeated. In that situation, I'm fairly sure that if they had stated OOC they were not comfortable with it then nothing would've come of it.

Also, the other report you mentioned has absolutely no relevance in this discussion. That incident involved a threat of serious sexual.

Nevertheless. If you find yourself in a situation that makes you uncomfortable you can always say so OOC and I'm sure the people involved will accommodate that.

[Ron]

I missed the fact about forcing someone into any sexual acts in the verdict as well.

But think about it like that: it is always easy to remain quiet and whine afterwards. If you feel uncomfortable ooc with any actions happening ingame you should have typed that ooc in game chat. There is also the option of speaking to people in TS after a situation is over. 

 If they dont know you felt uncomfortable why would they change their behavior? Let them know. Communicate.

[Guest]

In any sexual or intimate case where someone is going to force themselves on another player.

It's best if you ask out of character before you do anything too severe. 

This goes for forced french kissing, rape, sexual humiliation, and in general physical or sexual abuse, in some cases both.

We are all grown ups in this community but bear in mind that some of us are raised in a different lifestyle than others. Some may take offense to even the slightest sexual RP, some may be more open minded. For example, in a situation like what the PM got sent to you, some people are raised in a more homophobic environment where the LGBT community is often looked down upon, therefore, they may feel uncomfortable regardless how the rest of the world view them.

Either way, it's best if you ask out of character before you try anything.

Is forced sexual RP, forcing someone into a situtation where they are obviously uncomfortable ooc and IC and bordeline if not rule breaking okay as long as the person apologizes and there is good Rp as it seems to state in this supposed statement from staff? 

If it is forced sexual RP and you are uncomfortable with the whole situation, it is up to you to tell them OOC that you are feeling uncomfortable. If you say nothing and go on with the RP, it may give the player a quiet sign of approval and you do not object with it. 

For example, when you are RPing a gay character and you begin doing intimate things with your partner in public where you are in the view of a lot of people, it is up to them to decide whether they want to type OOC, I feel uncomfortable about the situation can you please stop.

This is again, a mature community, sexual RP and PDA(Public display of affection) is going to be something we're going to have from time to time. 

If anyone feels uncomfortable about the situation, a simple message in game through OOC such as "//I'm feeling uncomfortable about this, can you please stop?" is sufficient. 

[JohnnyThunders]

For example, when you are RPing a gay character and you begin doing intimate things with your partner in public where you are in the view of a lot of people, it is up to them to decide whether they want to type OOC, I feel uncomfortable about the situation can you please stop.

Wait so you are telling me it is fine for a woman and a man to RP kissing in public but not for a gay couple because it could make someone else uncomfortable? Seriously?

What is this 1950?

[Asriel]

For example, when you are RPing a gay character and you begin doing intimate things with your partner in public where you are in the view of a lot of people, it is up to them to decide whether they want to type OOC, I feel uncomfortable about the situation can you please stop.

Wait so you are telling me it is fine for a woman and a man to RP kissing in public but not for a gay couple because it could make someone else uncomfortable? Seriously?

What is this 1950?

It's an example. Same appliea for Male Female. There is nothing wrong with what he said there. Offense is not given, its taken. You're reading inbetween the lines and coming to a conclusion that is in no way hinted at or anything. This is you, not what hyde posted.

If he didn't think the same applied to a straight character there would be a problem, obviously.

[Guest]

For example, when you are RPing a gay character and you begin doing intimate things with your partner in public where you are in the view of a lot of people, it is up to them to decide whether they want to type OOC, I feel uncomfortable about the situation can you please stop.

Wait so you are telling me it is fine for a woman and a man to RP kissing in public but not for a gay couple because it could make someone else uncomfortable? Seriously?

What is this 1950?

Like I said, we have people from all over the world. For example, in my country, gay marriage is still prohibited. You must remember that we all grew up in different regions of the world, regardless if it's 1950 or 2016. 

We cannot force the idea of LGBT onto someone who doesn't want to listen to it. If they choose to feel uncomfortable during the situation, they have a right to demand them to stop.

If you are gay in real life and you feel that someone who is committing PDA in game as a straight couple, you also can tell them to stop if you are uncomfortable. 

It's a double-edged blade that cuts both ways.

I hope this clears up what I meant to say, if you have any other misconception or do not completely understand, I am more than happy to clarify for you. Out of this thread of course

[Stagsview]

If it is forced sexual RP and you are uncomfortable with the whole situation, it is up to you to tell them OOC that you are feeling uncomfortable. If you say nothing and go on with the RP, it may give the player a quiet sign of approval and you do not object with it. 

For example, when you are RPing a gay character and you begin doing intimate things with your partner in public where you are in the view of a lot of people, it is up to them to decide whether they want to type OOC, I feel uncomfortable about the situation can you please stop.

This is again, a mature community, sexual RP and PDA(Public display of affection) is going to be something we're going to have from time to time. 

If anyone feels uncomfortable about the situation, a simple message in game through OOC such as "//I'm feeling uncomfortable about this, can you please stop?" is sufficient. 

No.... And that is a horrible, homophobic example that you have put there.

There is nothing wrong within the rules a straight partnership, a gay/Lesbian partnership kissing/Hugging/Flirting IG in public area's. And if you seriously recommend somebody to go OOCly to tell somebody to stop somebody doing minor acts of affection. I would report that person for Homophobia or being surrealistic.

If it was something more extreme, like straight up sexual intercourse. That is not something you would do in public, that is not something you would do all together even with concent of the playerbase around. There was an event were somebody decided to fuck somebody in a shack and that almost lead to permabans.

Public display of affection? No problem, but be reasonable when doing it. Forcing somebody to kiss another person? As long as you have permission to do whatever you like in a hostage situation, be reasonable and do what seems correct Icly, and at most, make sure the people are having fun.

[Ryssen]

For example, when you are RPing a gay character and you begin doing intimate things with your partner in public where you are in the view of a lot of people, it is up to them to decide whether they want to type OOC, I feel uncomfortable about the situation can you please stop.

I agree with the points you make earlier in this discussion, but abit curious about this. Thought the discussion tackled forced kissing, and not really kissing between two consenting individuals (not depending on the gender). 

Cause I woud argue that this is not a valid OOC concern. Sure, one may believe this is wrong for whatever reason, but it is not really something truly affecting them so them writing something OOC would seem unnecessary for me.

[IAmJackBandit]

For example, when you are RPing a gay character and you begin doing intimate things with your partner in public where you are in the view of a lot of people, it is up to them to decide whether they want to type OOC, I feel uncomfortable about the situation can you please stop.

Wait so you are telling me it is fine for a woman and a man to RP kissing in public but not for a gay couple because it could make someone else uncomfortable? Seriously?

What is this 1950?

Like I said, we have people from all over the world. For example, in my country, gay marriage is still prohibited. You must remember that we all grew up in different regions of the world, regardless if it's 1950 or 2016. 

We cannot force the idea of LGBT onto someone who doesn't want to listen to it. If they choose to feel uncomfortable during the situation, they have a right to demand them to stop.

If you are gay in real life and you feel that someone who is committing PDA in game as a straight couple, you also can tell them to stop if you are uncomfortable. 

It's a double-edged blade that cuts both ways.

I hope this clears up what I meant to say, if you have any other misconception or do not completely understand, I am more than happy to clarify for you. Out of this thread of course

Couldn't you have just said:

For example, when you are RPing and you begin doing intimate things with your partner in public where you are in the view of a lot of people, it is up to them to decide whether they want to type OOC, I feel uncomfortable about the situation can you please stop.

The example you used was horrible and inconsiderate...

[Guest]

I'm extremely sorry to those I have offended with that example. To those that are offended I sincerely apologize, it seems that I have offended some people by the way I phrased my words. 

If you have any issues with me, please poke me on team speak or PM me, please do not clutter up this thread any more than it is

[Grihm]

Love and affection is no problem. Full on sexual acts or forced by any kind by any race / gender is and should be reported. If it´s two males or females kissing, what´s the difference?

[Melvin]

IIn defense of Hyde, living in the same country as he does, I can understand how his example would be offensive to people living outside Singapore. I am sure he meant nothing by that, but do keep in mind that the country is still very much "traditionalist" so of course, his example would come across as homophobic but as said above, probably no harm done =)

Edit : So as not to derail, my opinion on "forced" sexual role play is that OOC consent is the only thing required. Another big factor would be thee xtent of said forced sexual roleplay.

[JohnnyThunders]

IIn defense of Hyde, living in the same country as he does, I can understand how his example would be offensive to people living outside Singapore. I am sure he meant nothing by that, but do keep in mind that the country is still very much "traditionalist" so of course, his example would come across as homophobic but as said above, probably no harm done =)

Edit : So as not to derail, my opinion on "forced" sexual role play is that OOC consent is the only thing required. Another big factor would be thee xtent of said forced sexual roleplay.

I am certain Kenny did not mean any offense. I didn't intend it to turn into a witch hunt. It was just worded a little awkwardly.

[Guest]

I think this is being thought about too hard.  It's pretty simple.  Just because homosexuals are supported, does not mean I want to be forced to partake in what they do.  I would rather take a bullet.  But that would have nvfl.

[Roman]

I haven't read the report brought up by the OP so I wont judge the verdict, but I can give you an answer for the question about forcing an sexual act on someone.

Forcing any sexual act upon someone without their consent would be against the rules since it could fall under rapeRP and/or powergaming.

Depending on the severity of it.

It doesn't matter what gender or race you are, it's all equal to the rules.

If someone tries to force you to do any sexual act that you aren't ok with you can always let them know out of character so they don't continue forward with that kind of role play.

[Sasha]

I haven't read the report brought up by the OP so I wont judge the verdict, but I can give you an answer for the question about forcing an sexual act on someone.

Forcing any sexual act upon someone without their consent would be against the rules since it could fall under rapeRP and/or powergaming.

Depending on the severity of it.

It doesn't matter what gender or race you are, it's all equal to the rules.

If someone tries to force you to do any sexual act that you aren't ok with you can always let them know out of character so they don't continue forward with that kind of role play.

Would you however consider a kiss to be sexual or rape RP in the grand scheme of things? That's where it's debatable.

[Roman]

I haven't read the report brought up by the OP so I wont judge the verdict, but I can give you an answer for the question about forcing an sexual act on someone.

Forcing any sexual act upon someone without their consent would be against the rules since it could fall under rapeRP and/or powergaming.

Depending on the severity of it.

It doesn't matter what gender or race you are, it's all equal to the rules.

If someone tries to force you to do any sexual act that you aren't ok with you can always let them know out of character so they don't continue forward with that kind of role play.

Would you however consider a kiss to be sexual or rape RP in the grand scheme of things? That's where it's debatable.

Forcing someone without consent to kiss would fall under a sexual act.

Then it's always up to the person(s) if they want to go trough with it or not, they shouldn't face reprocautions IC if they have stated OOC that this sexual act is not something they agree with since it would be against the rules if it continued against their will.

Forcing an sexual act on someone shouldn't happen before consent is given.

[Rewand]

Where is the line drawn though is what I'd like to know. People got perma'd in the past for implying rape without actually emoting or doing anything really apart from saying some pretty disgusting stuff, even though these things actually happen in real life and I'm pretty sure they would happen even more often in a post apocalyptic scenario. Isn't that pretty much just striking fear into a character? I thought it was completely fine as long as both parties are okay with it and it doesn't go into too much detail. Say I get a hostage and I make him/her take his/her pants off to humiliate/show dominance, and I'm not talking about a drop everything now run north robbery, I'm talking about a well RP'ed scenario in which both parties are delivering good RP. It's safe to assume that said hostage is going to think he/she's gonna get sexually assaulted in one way or another. Would that get me a perma ban? Now obviously I would not emote anything that would be considered sexual assault or rape RP because I wouldn't want to get perma'd, but the harm is already done, right?

What if I was robbed when I was a kid and I am sensitive when it comes to that kind of stuff, would it be okay for me to go OOC letting the people around me know that they should stop doing what they're doing because I don't feel comfortable being in that situation? Sure, robberies happen on a daily basis, just like murder, rape, human trafficking and so on. They're all pretty disgusting, no doubt about it, but where do you draw the line? How come someone gets away with forcing a hostage to do an act that is considered sexual/abusive while a different community member gets perma banned for merely talking about doing certain abusive things, without actually doing anything.

[Jester]

Sexual rp is allowed per the rules as long as it is between two consenting adults whom are not disturbing others with their rp.   As for forcing sexual rp on others. This you absolutely can not do.  We are a mature community. 

If you feel uncomfortable because of forced borderline sexual rp.  Express your feelings politely and calmly in OOC.    If you don't want to take part in a forced kiss or anything of that sort.  Then speak up and let the people know.  If the behavior of others makes you uncomfortable let them know.   People will be accommodating to everyone's comfort zones.   

Thia may be a role play community.  But consent is consent.  So ask first and make sure everyone is ok

[BostonRP]

I'm going to give my honest thoughts on the situation and the rules as a whole.

For hostage situations, I can see the need to ask OOC Permission, as far as powergaming is concerned. If you don't want your character to live with the fact that he french-kissed a guy, that's perfectly fine, because it's your character, and you get to OOCly determine what happens. On the other hand, if you see Erotic Role Play of any kind (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transexual), and you don't like it, leave the area. Other than that, man up, because this is the internet. There shouldn't be any "//Stop because I'm uncomfortable..."

Honestly, it should be that if people are offended, they should leave the area. No OOC or anything. If you're uncomfortable, you can leave the area where the RP is taking place. We are on the internet, and you are going to see things that you don't want to see. That's the risk you take every single time you open your browser or join a server or click on a website.

I get it, it's a roleplaying community, people are here to have fun. One of the most fun things about this community is how immersed you can get in the realism, but you're limited to what you can do based on how someone might  get offended. If you get on the internet, or join a community or what have you, you take the risk of seeing things you don't like. Other people are restricted fun because one person has to be a drama king/queen and make a complaint. If you don't like it, leave.

Ofcourse, that's the way it should be, but it's not currently. Just my two cents, ladies and gents.

-Boston

[Yoshi]

Here's the way I see things, as a member of the community, knowing that you all know full well how I feel about the subject of harassment, which ties directly into this discussion.

Sexual RP is allowed within the community, given that the RP is tasteful, both parties have consented, and the text is not outrageous nor displayed in the vicinity (regardless of whomever could be watching or participating) of viewing/earshot of others. If you want to have fun with someone, you should take it to the woods, not do things in the middle of the city. Be courteous and respectful to the wishes of other players.

These forms of role play, as specified HERE, are not allowed in this community. This is pure fact. But what is it that is defined as rape? From several sources, gathered by merely googling and picking well established sources for definitions of different aspects of what goes into calling rape what it is, we can clearly define this.

SOURCE

Rape is the unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of consent.

Sexual intercourse is sexual activity between two people. I don't need to go into full depth with a crowd of the ages present to fully describe what sexual activity between two people is. You can click on the link and look up the definition yourself for education on the subject. I will refrain from the vulgarity of this topic as a portion of censorship.

Forceable kissing has been brought into question in this thread multiple times as to whether or not it should be considered a form of rape RP. The answer here can also be found by further education on the subject.

Sexual intercourse includes oral sex. Oral sex, commonly confused with as being defined by kissing, is sexual activity that involves stimulating someone's (parts) with the tongue or mouth.

Kiss is defined as a touch of (someone) with your lips as a greeting or as a way of showing love or sexual attraction.

That being said, I myself am not implying any verdict to the reports brought forth. As for the implication brought forth by the lack of mention of accusations in the verdict given: I believe that the staff team takes into account all points brought forth on a report and makes a conclusion on them prior to posting. I myself am unable to see their discussions, as I am neither a Gamemaster nor an Admin, but I have enough faith in our staff to say that whatever verdict they give is substantiated by evidence and good moral direction.

Also note that the rules to clearly state:

Forcing an action upon another player, which is beyond the actions allowed by game mechanics (emotes), is not allowed. Any actions desired to be expressed from one player to another must be asked for via OOC permission.

Now, as for the discussion I mentioned earlier, Harassment vs. Banter, for those of you who did or did not read, as a reminder; I brought up a point towards at the end of the thread involving the mention of feeling uncomfortable in any situation:

How does this apply? You should always let someone know when you feel uncomfortable when confronted with any situation. Don't hold back or give in. If you give in, especially in a game which holds no particular real-life value, to a forced act, sexual or not, you are merely condoning it for the manner of time which you conduct the act.

I'm not the only person who feels this way, and I know it, because there are others posted in agreement. For example:

I'll end with this point. I've stated my views and supported my arguments.

[Hebee]

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okay good call OOC chat it is

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Ooc got it

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Alright will keep that in mind about the Ooc thing that seems to be the general consensus from this thread anyway, Just figured because I have seen reports where people have gotten points for going OOC because they wern't okay with the direction the role play was going in where the verdict stated "Them possibly breaking a rule does not warrant you going ooc and breaking the ooc rule"

http://www.dayzrp.com/t-S2-Random-Robbery-BadRP-No-Care-for-Hostage-RDM?pid=1165733#pid1165733

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So is this like a carving situation you have to ask OOC permission before it was forced on the other person, or just go for it because that seems to be what everyone else on this thread is saying, just say if i were to do that for the sake of the argument. 

This was solely out of curiosity for future in game RP calm down everyone who is subtly roasting me in their comments.

Can /solve this please