NVFL, RDM

[Sparky]

Server and location: S1 , Kabanino

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): Logs will show

Your in game name: Mark Knight

Names of allies involved: Reapers, Slash, Blitz and 2 others were present

Name of suspect/s: Conor Smith < IC NAME

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): Corrupted file none of my other guys got video

Detailed description of the events: So long story short we run into 2 guys in Kab (Just on the outskirt) and everythings cool as I walk away calling them retards due to referring to Charlies hair as a man bun thinking all is done we are leaving and they make a cocky remark as I turn around and was like "Well i guess were doing this" Walk up and explain the reason there retards is the hairstyle is a bun its called a man bun when a male is using it implying they called charlie a man.... I ask in a clam manner for him to apoligies I am met with sarcy remarks from both slash and conor (slash was on his side at this point) so now I get very aggresive and demand an apoligie or I will force it (At no time intiatiing just very hostile) at this point he raises his rifle and tells me no and if my boys try anything I am dead whilst aiming his gun at me and circling me. At this point I holster my weapon bare in mind theres 4 visible and 3 in tree line all with automatics and decide to continue RP with this guy instead of just shooting him I ask him if he knows me he does so I say well youll know im never alone and your surrounded drop you wep he refuses at this point Kris shoots him however the bullet hits his gun ( 3 ) and he instantly shoots me making it at this point attempted RDM and he bails. I bandage myself seen as he ran thinking well were done here then move upto the north of kab were i encounter blitz and I belive slash as slash made himself clear saying he was not with this guy as soon as Conor raised his gun I ask them info on the guy we just met and they go there seperate ways at this point i head back into town just at the church and meet 2 more guys cannot really remember what I said but all of a sudden I get shot and killed ... Making it RDM as it was an invalid initiation to begin with and I done nothing to grant him KOS it was all hostile RP.

After my guys inform me they spot him a few times but eventually he circles back to Kab and brags to what he thinks is a stranger about possibly killing 2 Reapers and my guys confirm its the same guy and kill him making it NVFL as regardless of how he life ended he was never surviving a 7v1 we just simple took our time getting our shot at him.

[Ellie]

Kill Logs:

20:00:27 | Player "Mark Knight"has been killed by player "Conor Smith"
21:02:41 | Player "Conor Smith" has been killed by player "Boris S Kozlov"

Hit Logs:

20:00:24 | "Conor Smith SHOT Mark Knight by Winchester70 into pelvis."
20:00:24 | "Mark Knight STATUS S::500 B::2880 H::4200 HP::0."
20:00:24 | "Conor Smith SHOT Mark Knight by Winchester70 into pelvis."
20:00:24 | "Mark KnightSTATUS S::1000 B::2380 H::4000 HP::0."
20:00:24 | "Conor SmithSHOT Mark Knight by Winchester70 into pelvis."
20:00:24 | "Mark Knight STATUS S::1500 B::1880 H::3800 HP::0."
20:00:24 | "Conor Smith SHOT Mark Knight by Winchester70 into pelvis."
20:00:24 | "Mark Knight STATUS S::2000 B::1380 H::3600 HP::0."
20:00:27 | "Conor Smith SHOT Mark Knight by Winchester70 into Chest."
20:00:27 | "Mark Knight STATUS S::3000 B::380 H::3200 HP::0."
20:00:27 | "Conor Smith SHOT Mark Knight by Winchester70 into Chest."
20:00:27 | "Mark Knight STATUS S::4500 B::-1120 H::2600 HP::0."
19:52:16 | "Conor Smith SHOT Mark Knight by Winchester70 into rightarm."
19:52:16 | "Mark Knight STATUS S::500 B::4500 H::4800 HP::0."
19:52:16 | "Conor Smith SHOT Mark Knight by Winchester70 into rightarm."
19:52:16 | "Mark Knight STATUS S::1000 B::4000 H::4600 HP::0."
19:52:16 | "Conor Smith SHOT Mark Knight by Winchester70 into rightarm."
19:52:16 | "Mark Knight STATUS S::1500 B::3500 H::4400 HP::0."
19:52:18 | "Mark Knight STARTS BLEEDING."
19:52:40 | "Mark Knight STOPS BLEEDING."


21:02:15 | "Boris S Kozlov SHOT Conor Smith by AKM into RightLeg."
21:02:15 | "Conor Smith STATUS S::1940 B::3000 H::3440 HP::0."
21:02:19 | "Conor Smith STARTS BLEEDING."
21:02:27 | "Boris S Kozlov SHOT Conor Smith by AKM into RightArm."
21:02:27 | "Conor Smith STATUS S::2320 B::2496 H::3240 HP::0."
21:02:27 | "Boris S Kozlov SHOT Conor Smith by AKM into RightArm."
21:02:27 | "Conor Smith STATUS S::2820 B::1996 H::3040 HP::0."
21:02:27 | "Boris S Kozlov SHOT Conor Smith by AKM into RightArm."
21:02:27 | "Conor Smith STATUS S::3320 B::1496 H::2840 HP::0."
21:02:27 | "Boris S Kozlov SHOT Conor Smith by AKM into RightArm."
21:02:27 | "Conor Smith STATUS S::3820 B::996 H::2640 HP::0."
21:02:29 | "Player Conor Smith has fallen into unconsciousness."
21:02:41 | "Conor Smith has fallen into unconsciousness. HARD HIT Total S::5750.49"
21:02:41 | "Conor Smith has fallen into unconsciousness. HARD HIT Total S::16809.1"
21:02:41 | "Boris S Kozlov SHOT Conor Smithby AKM into head."
21:02:41 | "Conor Smith STATUS S::16809.1 B::-145 H::2240 HP::0."

Disconnect/Connect Logs:

17:53:02 | Player "Mark Knight" is connected
20:00:43 | Player "Mark Knight" has been disconnected

17:13:37 | Player "Conor Smith" is connected 
21:06:27 | Player "Conor Smith"has been disconnected

Calling Conor Smith to post his POV

[PalmtreeWhale]

Hey reaper,

I can provide you with footage, some of the footage won't show what actually happened but the situation is pretty clear from my recording.

Me and my two friends came from Gryshino when we started hearing gun shots, this was probably the start of the situation. My two friends walked into town and I went from a different flank into town and stayed out of sight.

So.. just before you died you got to speak with my two friends who witnessed your death, I can ask them to provide their pov if nescecairy.

Anyways I sneak around get eventually spotted and talk a litle bit and got more knowledge on the situation.

-fast forward-

One of my friend is RP'ing with the two of your men who killed the suspect, and me and the other friend we're overlooking the situation, so I have footage of the suspect being shot down as well.

So.. basically from what information I gathered the suspect got hold up by you guys, killed some of your men and basically stayed around- or went back to kabanino which in my eyes is a stupid thing to do if you basically start a fight with a big group while you are alone (nvfl).

On the footage part:

It's pretty late and i'm going to sleep right now, have to get up early for school and will probably arrive home in the late evening.

I will see if I can edit out the important parts of the situations, put them together and upload them.

[Ellie]

I will see if I can edit out the important parts of the situations, put them together and upload them.

Please upload the unedited version instead.

[Nightfury]

From my POV, it started off normally talking away, they called us retards for man bun etc asking for apology in a hostile way from the get go, as it was an honest mistake and they were being very hostile about it i refused to apologize, it got to the point where it was clear they were going to raise their weapons at me and force me, so before they could do that I raised mine, told them if his friends did anything i would shot, accept it was a mistake and walk away, but they didn't, i knew of the reapers that they were a well known gang but thats about it, didn't know him, except he was part of it, i only saw 3 the whole entire time, or at least 3 that i thought were together, he started saying there were much more watching him in the distance, took it as a bluff, as why would so many people be off in the distance when nothing hostile was even started (when i first saw them), they shot me, i shot him, i ran to cover, bandanged and what not, ran to a distance (i had a winchester so was not much use up close) at this point i thought he was dead, and i saw another at the church a few mins later, shot them, thought they died, obviously it turned out to be the same guy, so i thought only 1 was left, saw 2 with reaper masks go in the airfield direction followed them, lost them, went to vybor, came back to kab, saw 2 again, went to stary side of kab, all of a sudden there was around 6, (2 i confirmed with the masks), i ran away, lost them, didn't think the other 4 could even do anything to me unless of course it was initiated, met a group of ppl, asked if they saw reapers or anything none of them did, (never once bragged.. just said i thought i killed 2) and then a guy i hadnt seen before then just killed me.

I was always at a big distance to the point where numbers didn't matter much, at least 300m. And from what i could remember i had a better long ranged weapon. Also i don't understand how in his POV he is saying i attempted an RDM? if thats the case then his guy who shot me first attempted it too? i made my demands clear, if they raised their weapons i would shoot, with them being in the same group it would be initiating on them all would it not? otherwise only he would be allowed to shoot me and me him, and then the second supposed RDM it was still well within a 2hour mark, not even 10mins later id say, and i shot him by the church, its not my fault he thought i ran away

If i did anything wrong i'm sorry, but in my POV i was well within the rules

[Sparky]

Well apart from the video evidence needing to be uploaded I have nothing else to say from his POV it is quite clear there was a rule break.

Nightfury I suggest you re -read the rules normally I would be happy to talk these things out but with you being so new you should know the rules.

Staff if you need anything from me just give me a shout otherwise this is in your hands !

[Slash]

Nick de Jong POV:

I've seen most of the events that happened from a short distance.

I arrive in Kabanino when I see the Reapers walking up to me and we start to talk. Nightfury (Conor Smith) and his friend arrive in Kabanino a few seconds later. I told the Reapers that those 2 weren't with me and the only thing I knew about them was that they acted sketchy earlier in Stary. A talk starts and the hostile RP kicks off when Nightfury mentions "Nice man bun" to a girl. The Reapers see this as a insult as he said it to a girl, so they ask him to excuse himself for his mention. After a bit of shit talking Nightfury draws his gun and points it at Mark without any form of initiation. Mark gives the guy a chance to put his gun down but he refuses. Mark mentions that he has a few snipers surrounding the area. Nightfury responds with shooting Mark in his arm and running off in to town. The Reapers and I follow him and I initiate on him as I wasn't a part of the reapers dynamic group. He misses a shot at me and disappears into town.

Me and the Reapers start a man hunt and start asking people questions if they saw anyone running out of town. While I was talking to some people I hear a few shots (This was Mark Knight getting killed). We thought that the shots came from the direction of North west airfield so we decide to search for him there. We weren't successful and we decide to return to Kabanino. In Kabanino we think we see him running up to north west again so we decide to follow him. When I arrived at the airfield again I heard that someone of the reapers spotted him in Kabanino talking to people. He decides to shoot him and he successfully kills Conor Smith. 

I won't post unless Staff have any questions regarding this situations. 

I unfortunately don't have any recordings regarding this situation.

[PalmtreeWhale]

Just went through all of the recordings I had and edited it down to all the (possible) relevant information and audio fragments in the video.

Uploading will start in +-5 minutes and will be edited into this post <3

[video=youtube]

[Nightfury]

Just in response to Slashs POV, the way you say that, is as if you are purposely trying to make me sound bad? You say i shot in response to him saying he has snipers, but it wasn't? it was in response to them not being compliant and shooting at me, as you can tell in the video you hear 2 mosin shots before i even shoot, also unless im mistaken you don't initiate to raise a weapon at someone to initiate at that someone, for example if i was to rob someone, i would point my weapon at them and say whatever like get down on the ground do this do that etc, thats the initiation. Please correct me if im wrong.

[Sparky]

Just in response to Slashs POV, the way you say that, is as if you are purposely trying to make me sound bad? You say i shot in response to him saying he has snipers, but it wasn't? it was in response to them not being compliant and shooting at me, as you can tell in the video you hear 2 mosin shots before i even shoot, also unless im mistaken you don't initiate to raise a weapon at someone to initiate at that someone, for example if i was to rob someone, i would point my weapon at them and say whatever like get down on the ground do this do that etc, thats the initiation. Please correct me if im wrong.

You are wrong. See below straight from the rules

You have to make contact with the target before initiating a hostile action against it. You must make your hostile intention clear and unambiguous and state each demand before you can harm the victim(s) for non-compliance.

You made your hostile intention clear by raising your gun at me and telling me " If my friends try anything I am dead" however your mistake hear is I was a compliant hostage and I was no threat to yourself at all now hostile RP is fine but the second you crossed the line of initiating on a group of 7 people that was firstly what made it NVFL the likley hood of you getting out of there alive regardless were slim. The RDM comes when you tried to shoot me then shot me further up the road you had 0 rights to kill me as a player cannot be punished for other peoples actions regardless of your demands.

Again I suggest you re-read the rules.

[Nightfury]

But i had made contact with you and the others since we were talking, i did make it clear, saying that if you or your friends tried anything that you would die, and that you got two options, leave and accept it was a mistake, or stay and die.

I get what you are saying but as i said earlier about only you killing me and me killing you etc, kinda shows it was more of a group initiation, (initiating on all 3 that i had seen, you, the guy behind you, and the girl) so you all were hostages, going by your terms. So when the guy behind you shot it broke the compliance rule, giving me every right to shot at you as a whole, the group, unless you were properly a hostage hands above head etc you were still a potential threat. And you all were a threat, you were literally threatening me. Also if you want to use compliance as an issue in this, you had plenty time to walk away but you didn't, so, not compling.

Also what you need to understand is, that you were a group of 3, in my eyes, ya there might have been 7, but i only saw 3, why should i believe you that there are 4 more in the distance watching, you could say there is 1000 people out there watching, am i supposed to just believe you on everything you say? No I'm not.

Whatever about the RDM, thats just the way you see it id say, i could see where i would be wrong, but i also see why you are wrong. But as far as the NVFL i don't see how i was ever NVFLing, i mean i always stayed at a safe distance, to the point where i could easily lose ye, which i did, the only reason i died was because 2 people i never saw killed me, i assume they were part of the other 4 you were talking about, so other than being caught by suprise like that i had the advantage the whole time.

[Sparky]

You see this situation completely wrong but instead of back and forth staff will decide the outcome

[Nightfury]

before i leave it up to the staff i would just like to point out 1 last thing, reaper says "I say well youll know im never alone and your surrounded drop you wep" which gave me KoS rights regardless.

Also i killed him a whole hour before i died, its not like i killed him surrounded by guys and died straight away, i did it and got out alive.

[Guest Callie]

If you have nothing new to add, stop posting. Any further unnecessary posts will result in points.

Thanking you.

[Conor]

it is quite clear there was a rule break.

That's for us to decide

Verdict will be here :soon:

[Kanen]

Verdict: Conor Smith | NVFL/RDM | Not guilty. 

Reason:

We have reviewed the evidence provided and the PoV's that were also provided and have come to the conclusion that no rule was broken here.

Conor Smith provided you with the demands stating that if anyone of your friends raised a weapon at him or shoot he will kill you. Someone took a shot at him and that's when he kept to his demands and shot at you and successfully made his escape in the first place. It was not until later when he returned to Kabanino thinking he killed two of you and that only one of you remained that he got killed in Kabanino.  

The situation he was in was indeed in his favor by luck. From his knowledge he knew the location of your men and was not surrounded and made it very clear of what would happen to you if anything funny happened to him. In this situation you would be killed. This gave him KoS rights on you and your group members he called out. After Killing you he managed to survive for one hour and most likely would of survived the rest of the time remaining that your group had KoS rights on him. 

This particular situation was indeed by pure luck and chance. We want to stress the fact to the accused that if that bullet did indeed not miss, you would have most definitely ended up with a NVFL punishment. But due to the fact that, the bullet did indeed miss you and you were able to run away swiftly and untouched it did end up in your favor. In the future, take into consideration if someone tells you, you are surrounded or they have "friends" near by, also take this into account before taking your next step in the current hostile situation you are in. Just so it doesn't conflict with any other rules and you don't end up breaking one.

With the above stated the following applies:

Outcome: Conor Smith | NVFL/RDM | No action taken.