[CLOSED] 2015 DayZRP Community Awards Discussion

[Guest Nathan, the DayZRP Bot]

2015 DayZRP Community Awards Discussion

1. Rules and requirements

• This is an open discussion thread. Everyone is allowed to post and discuss here about the ongoing nominations and voting.
  
• You are not allowed to promote, advertise or suggest candidates.
  
• Standard community rules apply
  
• Inappropriate behavior, banter, posting gifs or memes, derailing the thread etc will be "awarded" with banstrikes. This is your only warning, no other staff warnings will be posted in this thread.
  

[Cow]

Nathan plz.

Nathan for former member of the year.

[Jamie]

Nathan plz.

Nathan for former member of the year.

I agree with this statement.

[Wendsill]

hmm, who to nominate for RP'er of the year, tough one. at least for me it is. So many excellent choices.

[Hatch]

I somewhat feel that these awards will not be as good as last year, the community has been too divided lately and a lot of the greater things that happened earlier in the year have been forgotten about.

[HiGGi]

1. Rules and Requirements

[*]Serious nominations only. Permabanned players or players on final warnings are ineligible for nomination.

[*]

Couldn't disagree with this rule more.

[TEazy97]

Chedaki group of the year no doubt, miss the boys. :'( Vittoria, I came back to say hello

[Owen]

There were some voting issues last year and some questionable voting tactics. How will you stop it this year to make it as fair and level as possible?

[AndreyQ]

There were some voting issues last year and some questionable voting tactics. How will you stop it this year to make it as fair and level as possible?

http://www.dayzrp.com/t-2015-DayZRP-Community-Awards

[Defiance]

I know we (technically) aren't allowed to promote, advertise, or suggest candidates, but I want to make a general comment on Roman's nomination videos.

It's...shocking how horrifying those videos are. Sorry, Coreena.

[Guest]

hmm, who to nominate for RP'er of the year, tough one. at least for me it is. So many excellent choices.

*shines brightly in the night sky*

I would nominate some people but they're banned...

I would vote for Spartan but he stills refuses to kiss me

[Guest]

we need one like "most addicted to forum games" cause that's the only one I got a shot in

[Vic]

those on final warnings are automatically disqualified.

Why?

[Pussy]

those on final warnings are automatically disqualified.

Why?

Because being nominated is a privilege and not a right. It is a reward that is earned through good behaviour in the community. If you have anymore questions about this, you can feel free to PM me, or to come into the Helpdesk and speak with me about it.

[Ellie]

Picking one person in general to nominate is definitely tough! I'm going to have to think about it...

[HiGGi]

those on final warnings are automatically disqualified.

Why?

Because being nominated is a privilege and not a right. It is a reward that is earned through good behaviour in the community. If you have anymore questions about this, you can feel free to PM me, or to come into the Helpdesk and speak with me about it.

Why would this discussion need to be moved to PM's?

If there's so much effort being put into weekly interviews and such with the emphasis clearly being on uniting the community as a whole:

Quote directly from interview thread

The idea of interview a community member is yet another to step towards bringing the community together.

This rule does nothing but create a huge divide between members.

[Pussy]

Why would this discussion need to be moved to PM's?

If there's so much effort being put into weekly interviews and such with the emphasis clearly being on uniting the community as a whole:

Quote directly from interview thread

The idea of interview a community member is yet another to step towards bringing the community together.

This rule does nothing but create a huge divide between members.

The discussion does not need to be moved to PM's, you misunderstand me. I gave that option if he was interested in hearing more about my opinion on the matter. Personally, I think it is nice to be given the chance to talk one-on-one with someone about a subject such as this one, which is why I gave the option of talking to me in a PM or on the TeamSpeak. Maybe it is just me, but I prefer getting the chance to talk to the person individually. 

As far as your example goes, I don't necessarily see the point that is being made? There are only a handful of people on final warnings in the community as of this time, so I don't quite see how this creates a "huge" divide. Being put on a final warning is --and always will be-- a punishment. It wouldn't be considered such if nothing were taken away. Just as people found guilty of Bad RP are banned from playing for five days, people on a final warning cannot be nominated for awards. Actions have repercussions, and respect is earned... not given.

[HiGGi]

Why would this discussion need to be moved to PM's?

If there's so much effort being put into weekly interviews and such with the emphasis clearly being on uniting the community as a whole:

Quote directly from interview thread

The idea of interview a community member is yet another to step towards bringing the community together.

This rule does nothing but create a huge divide between members.

The discussion does not need to be moved to PM's, you misunderstand me. I gave that option if he was interested in hearing more about my opinion on the matter. Personally, I think it is nice to be given the chance to talk one-on-one with someone about a subject such as this one, which is why I gave the option of talking to me in a PM or on the TeamSpeak. Maybe it is just me, but I prefer getting the chance to talk to the person individually. 

Yeah it doesn't particularly bother me regarding discussions like this.

As far as your example goes, I don't necessarily see the point that is being made? There are only a handful of people on final warnings in the community as of this time, so I don't quite see how this creates a "huge" divide. 

The point that I am making is that not allowing players on a final warning to be legible to win certain awards does not only effect the player on final warning but also the people who are associated with that particular player. I have friends on final warning. I know that they often provide a level of RP which I enjoy vastly more than others who are not on their final warning. The fact that they can not be awarded for the stellar RP that they have provided to myself and many others leaves a bitter taste in peoples mouths. It also enforces the toxic, us versus them mentality.

This is not exclusive to the final warning player exclusion. The rule that disbanded groups can not be awarded also creates a problem. Due to a variety of reasons a group may have been archived. Some I agree with, some I do not. Regardless, I believe it's up to the community to decided which group was the best this year in DayZRP,  whether that group were disbanded or not.

Being put on a final warning is --and always will be-- a punishment. It wouldn't be considered such if nothing were taken away.

A player on final warning is unable to play the game freely after their final warning has been put in place. Every decision they make is made with that final warning in mind. Which is good as it will more than likely prevent them from breaking any further rules. However I believe that the imminent perma ban that constantly looms over them is enough. How are they supposed to become fully functional members of the community if they are excluded from something which could potentially highlight their improvement in RP?

Just as people found guilty of Bad RP are banned from playing for five days, people on a final warning cannot be nominated for awards. Actions have repercussions,

These players have faced their repercussions^.

and respect is earned... not given.

I disagree. Everyone deserves a level of respect.

[Guest]

 and respect is earned... not given.

What?  Since when?

[Aurora Sky]

Personally I would not call it Respect but I give everyone I talk to my full attention if you will. However Everyone must earn my respect. In this aspect I agree with Kattica. If you are on final warning it is because you have broken enough of the rules enough times that if you mess up one more time you will be permanently banned. The awards are for members that have stood out in a positive light through the year. Not allowing members on final warning to participate this year will or should cause them to strive to be better for the next awards. Just my thoughts on the matter.

[AndreyQ]

I am gonna have to agree with Higgi here. I don't see the reason why people on final warning should not have the ability to get nominated. If they are truly worthy of the award then they will get nominated 10 times and voted by the community. I really don't see the problem here.

It seems like just because they are on final warning they are treated differently and the only reason being that they didn't have a good behavior. Let's not forget that some of those warnings came from forum only and even if their behavior on the forums is well...not the best that does not imply that the person is not a wonderful RPer or that he/she has not created a character to impress.

respect is earned... not given.

Does this mean that I can disrespect people on final warning? I mean really, this is an online community, just because some guy is on final warning does not mean he should not be respected. We are all people here who are trying to relax and take a break from IRL things.

Also, I don't get the reason behind not letting groups that have been disbanded by staff to be nominated. Just because some groups were disbanded for some reasons does not mean they had no impact IG and did not provide good RP. It is literally the same thing as with people on final warning.

In conclusion, the year end awards should be something fun that should bring the community together. However, it seems like way too many limitations were made. I understand that the voting needs to be 100% correct and legit but we haven't even gotten there yet. I hope staff takes in consideration what has been brought up here and hopefully react accordingly.

[Thumper]

I am gonna have to agree with Higgi here. I don't see the reason why people on final warning should not have the ability to get nominated. If they are truly worthy of the award then they will get nominated 10 times and voted by the community. I really don't see the problem here.

It seems like just because they are on final warning they are treated differently and the only reason being that they didn't have a good behavior. Let's not forget that some of those warnings came from forum only and even if their behavior on the forums is well...not the best that does not imply that the person is not a wonderful RPer or that he/she has not created a character to impress.

respect is earned... not given.

Does this mean that I can disrespect people on final warning? I mean really, this is an online community, just because some guy is on final warning does not mean he should not be respected. We are all people here who are trying to relax and take a break from IRL things.

Also, I don't get the reason behind not letting groups that have been disbanded by staff to be nominated. Just because some groups were disbanded for some reasons does not mean they had no impact IG and did not provide good RP. It is literally the same thing as with people on final warning.

In conclusion, the year end awards should be something fun that should bring the community together. However, it seems like way too many limitations were made. I understand that the voting needs to be 100% correct and legit but we haven't even gotten there yet. I hope staff takes in consideration what has been brought up here and hopefully react accordingly.

A-men.

[Pussy]

I am gonna have to agree with Higgi here. I don't see the reason why people on final warning should not have the ability to get nominated. If they are truly worthy of the award then they will get nominated 10 times and voted by the community. I really don't see the problem here.

It seems like just because they are on final warning they are treated differently and the only reason being that they didn't have a good behavior. Let's not forget that some of those warnings came from forum only and even if their behavior on the forums is well...not the best that does not imply that the person is not a wonderful RPer or that he/she has not created a character to impress.

respect is earned... not given.

Does this mean that I can disrespect people on final warning? I mean really, this is an online community, just because some guy is on final warning does not mean he should not be respected. We are all people here who are trying to relax and take a break from IRL things.

Also, I don't get the reason behind not letting groups that have been disbanded by staff to be nominated. Just because some groups were disbanded for some reasons does not mean they had no impact IG and did not provide good RP. It is literally the same thing as with people on final warning.

In conclusion, the year end awards should be something fun that should bring the community together. However, it seems like way too many limitations were made. I understand that the voting needs to be 100% correct and legit but we haven't even gotten there yet. I hope staff takes in consideration what has been brought up here and hopefully react accordingly.

Oh boy, well that's what I get for responding to a thread at 4:30 in the morning.

Andrey, you know me well enough to know that I am not saying that community members on final warnings should be disrespected. What I ultimately meant by the phrase "respect is earned... not given" is that a reward is earned and nothing comes for free. The word respect was used improperly, and that was a mistake my tired brain made. So I apologize for that part of the uproar.

However, I have said it before and I will say it again: "Being nominated is a privilege and not a right." Just because you are 16 does not mean you have the right to drive a car. You have to earn your license and prove that you deserve to drive. It's very similar here. Members who are put on a final warning are done so based on their actions towards the community. The community members who have kept their "noses clean" have earned the reward and opportunity to be nominated. Those who haven't done so and have been put on final warnings, unfortunately did not. 

I'm sorry, but actions can sometimes have consequences, and those who were put on final warnings were put there for their own actions. I do understand that it isolates a small part of the community, but maybe this will give them time to reflect on past actions. The Community Awards are a reward, at least that's the way that I feel. 

We're still very early on in our voting, and modifications may still be made to the whole process. We've been looking at this thread and taking "notes" from feedback given, so we'll have to see how everything develops from this point on. As of right now, to my knowledge no change is being discussed.

I hope talking this over has at least helped a little bit.

[AndreyQ]

What I ultimately meant by the phrase "respect is earned... not given" is that a reward is earned and nothing comes for free.

Yes and I believe that if you got nominated 10 times and the community voted for you and you won then that means you earned that reward no matter the fact that you are on final warning or not.

However, I have said it before and I will say it again: "Being nominated is a privilege and not a right." Just because you are 16 does not mean you have the right to drive a car. You have to earn your license and prove that you deserve to drive. It's very similar here. Members who are put on a final warning are done so based on their actions towards the community. The community members who have kept their "noses clean" have earned the reward and opportunity to be nominated. Those who haven't done so and have been put on final warnings, unfortunately did not.

Saying that people on final warning can not be nominated is like saying that you can not drive a car and smoke at the same time. The thing is being nominated does not grant you anything. You might not even make it to the voting. But if you do it is up for the whole community to decide who wins. And if they pick the guy on the final warning does that mean he still doesn't deserve the award? After all this is about who the community thinks it is the best at that specific thing and that should include everyone.

I'm sorry, but actions can sometimes have consequences, and those who were put on final warnings were put there for their own actions. I do understand that it isolates a small part of the community, but maybe this will give them time to reflect on past actions. The Community Awards are a reward, at least that's the way that I feel. 

I get what are you saying. It is like a punishment for their actions. But don't you think that being a step away from heaven is already a big punishment? Do you really think is necessary for them to be excluded from this? They are still people that put effort into their character, roleplay, group or maybe they just fucked up big time and made everyone laugh. It seems like they are treated just like that weird guy in school. I will say it again, the awards should be fun for everyone. We are all part of this community even if I have 0, 10 or 25 points.

[Volke]

Its fairly east to not get on final warning: I think it is perfectly fine that final warning members can't be nominated. It's a privilege to win an award, and it is a fair punishment IMO. Perhaps it will give inspiration for people that are on final warning to get off final warning and appeal it and become a positive member. You get on final warning for being a repeat offender: being on final warning is a gift - luckily your not perma banned as your one line from it. Get your act together, appeal the final warning and show staff that you are a positive face to the community. I'm shocked this even needs a discussion.