Taking Players Alive!

[Dustin1]

Basically my question is, because I really want to avoid KoS, or even killing players at all if I can help out.

I was wondering what methods you guys would use, and which methods are the best to take players alive

Setting the senario, that I have either snuck up on a player or already have them on the ground.

What is the best way to knock them unconscious without rendering wounds that might kill them or cause them to bleed out fast?

I have a pristine stun baton with a good battery in it, but if it doesn't working, finding out the hard way would suck >.>

[GaryCash]

We talking like a public server or something in this scenario?  Or a situation where you've already been granted KOS Rights through previous events I'm guessing?

EDIT:  Yo, if you got batteries in the stun baton, you can tell if they are working pretty sure by going into first person view, and looking at the baton, if you see electrical arcs jumping off the tip of the baton, it should be working according to Bill Nye the Science guy.

[Alex]

You might wanna look through the rules again.. You can't do hostile actions against someone without gaining KoS Rights. If you mean getting people alive AFTER gaining them, stun batons work well to knock people out.

[Dustin1]

We talking like a public server or something in this scenario?  Or a situation where you've already been granted KOS Rights through previous events I'm guessing?

EDIT:  Yo, if you got batteries in the stun baton, you can tell if they are working pretty sure by going into first person view, and looking at the baton, if you see electrical arcs jumping off the tip of the baton, it should be working according to Bill Nye the Science guy.

Basically I figure if I go at them in a way that won't kill them or can't kill them unless excessive hits are made ( like beating them over and over long after they are knocked out) then I figure I don't need any KoS legitimacy, in theory anyway.

I am just looking for information on how exactly people are knocked out cold, and which method or weapon goes about this in the most efficient manner (least number of hits) without a high risk of killing the target

[Empress]

I mean... a better way to do it would be to just initiate, get them to surrender, hand cuff and throw a bag over their head. I assume the reason you are asking is because you want to move them from that location to another without them knowing where they are.

Also again, I'm not sure if I misunderstood the OP, but you gotta initiate mate.

[Dustin1]

I mean... a better way to do it would be to just initiate, get them to surrender, hand cuff and throw a bag over their head. I assume the reason you are asking is because you want to move them from that location to another without them knowing where they are.

Also again, I'm not sure if I misunderstood the OP, but you gotta initiate mate.

More because the last time I got some one on the ground, the managed to break the cuffs and come at me with an axe @.@

and kept coming at with me an axe despite shooting at them, then they died because I could not figure out how to work the defibulator, was it even possible to save some one with that many bullet holes @.@

ect ect

[GaryCash]

As far as knocking people out go, a charged stun baton is a fine way to do so, one of the best ways, and if they don't have a helmet, I usually just use my good ol' fashion hands, one or two good punches to the head will knock them out.

However bro, I wanna stress to you the importance that you don't just run up on to just anyone unannounced and stun baton them, or punch them or what ever. Just because it is a non lethal act doesn't mean it is within your rights to do it. It is not, and it could get you in trouble if you don't initiate the PvP scenario properly.

But once you've initiated on them in a way that is adequate, again, a stun baton thats charged is one of your best choices to knock someone out, and fists work just fine on someone unsuspecting that doesn't have hardened head gear protecting them. However I wouldn't suggest starting an initiation with either a stun baton in hand or your fists… but thats just me...

Sources:

"Don't Tase Me Bro!" Video

[Foxi]

Best way to capture someone is to make sure they dont have friends lurking around.

As for restraining them, knocking them out, etc. The best way to do this is through text. *Hits with baseball bat* for example. The game being so buggy right now its best not to take the risk of killing someone by accident.

Good luck out there.

[Defiance]

Brass knuckles to the face has always worked the best for me.

Furthermore, you don't really want to do this. Why? Because it would be attempted RDM or attempted KOS if you just attempt to knock people out. You have to initiate, get them to surrender, restrain them (optional but strongly advised), and then move them. If they don't comply, then clock 'em in the face. If they do comply, then enjoy having a hostage and prepare yourself to deliver the best RP you can muster.

[Manic]

Hostile bandit rp is never easy. I would advise, just from reading your posts that you take another look at the rules. In order to knock someone out or perform any type of torture you need to initiate on them to gain KOS rights ad have a valid rp reason to do so. You can then take them hostage (alive) and rp Hostile acts against them. You can not just walk up to someone and simply knock them out for no reason. You will also need to ask your hostage for permission in order to do anything too drastic. 

As for the torture part you can do a lot as long as you have the supplies. Personally I always keep saline bags on me and make sure to give the hostage a little juice after being knocked around and beaten a few times. Also make sure to give them some food and water to start healing then you can continue. Always be careful as this is early development of the game and something that doesn't seem like it would kill someone just might and then you accidently end all RP. 

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[Brad]

Basically my question is, because I really want to avoid KoS, or even killing players at all if I can help out.

I was wondering what methods you guys would use, and which methods are the best to take players alive

Setting the senario, that I have either snuck up on a player or already have them on the ground.

What is the best way to knock them unconscious without rendering wounds that might kill them or cause them to bleed out fast?

I have a pristine stun baton with a good battery in it, but if it doesn't working, finding out the hard way would suck >.>

To avoid KOSing someone, you Roleplay with them.  As is the very definition of this server.

The ONLY way to take someone alive is to initiate on them with a weapon, as per the rules.  You are then able to take them hostage.

Failure to do so will likely end with you receiving some form of ban from the servers.

[Dew]

You cannot knock someone out and then rob them, that is against the rules. You must provide a valid initiation and then you may handcuff them, or ask them to drop there things, etc. You cannot just kill people, or just knock them out and take there stuff. You may want to take a gander through the rules again before you get back in game.

[Deniecu]

There are plenty of weapons in game that inflict "shock damage". If enough of said damage is done to a players head, they will get knocked out. Typical weapons of this type are baseball bats, brass knuckles, stones.. you get the idea. Stun batons typically do the trick. As for "taking someone alive" you'll probably need some handcuffs or at the very least some rope to tie them up. You can then lead them away to wherever it is you want to do whatever it is you want to do to them, assuming it's valid RP but seeing as literally everyone else has already stressed this, I can only hope that point has been made.

Keep in mind that some weapons can still inflict bleeding, such as stones and if someone is already hurt and you wack them over the head... well, they might just get the good ol' "You are dead." Screen, which you do not want to happen as that would probably end up in a report.

My recommendation: Be careful.

[Dustin1]

There are plenty of weapons in game that inflict "shock damage". If enough of said damage is done to a players head, they will get knocked out. Typical weapons of this type are baseball bats, brass knuckles, stones.. you get the idea. Stun batons typically do the trick. As for "taking someone alive" you'll probably need some handcuffs or at the very least some rope to tie them up. You can then lead them away to wherever it is you want to do whatever it is you want to do to them, assuming it's valid RP but seeing as literally everyone else has already stressed this, I can only hope that point has been made.

Keep in mind that some weapons can still inflict bleeding, such as stones and if someone is already hurt and you wack them over the head... well, they might just get the good ol' "You are dead." Screen, which you do not want to happen as that would probably end up in a report.

My recommendation: Be careful.

Thanks! So shock is the modifier of damage I am looking for!

Good, I had a bad experience where the player broke the cuffs and came at me with an axe, not having anything prepared at the time I freaked out and fired a warning shot before eventually putting the person down, which is not the way I wanted that to go, especailly because it looked like he spawned recently enough that after questioning him I was going to let him go without robbing him at all....

Just looking for a way to..... be able to defend/attack without killing?

but yeah, will now look around at weapons with good shock values

[Gina]

Just looking for a way to..... be able to defend/attack without killing?

but yeah, will now look around at weapons with good shock values

You do realize that if you knock them out, you cannot really RP with them since they are unconscious?

If you are afraid that your hostage will break out from the cuffs/ropes, you can always threaten that if they try to wiggle out, you will have to hurt or even shoot them. If they value their lives (as they should), they will listen and you can have your RP.

[Terra]

Like many others said already, you need to initiate the hostile event. Plrease read the rules again.

If you go around with a stun button, knocking people out without initiation, I can almost guarantee you, you will get reported and most likely get banned.

Out of the rules:

"You have to make contact with the target before initiating a hostile action against it. You must make your hostile intention clear and unambiguous and state each demand before you can harm the victim(s) for non-compliance."

http://www.dayzrp.com/rules

Out of the newcommer guide:

"If you're a new player we strongly recommend you to play as a normal survivor for a while, to get accustomed to the rules and how they work in game. Starting out as a bandit who robs and kills people without an extensive preperations can lead to swift bans for rule breaks."

You can also watch some Video´s of bandits and read through the Forum.

http://www.dayzrp.com/f-Media

http://www.dayzrp.com/t-Chernov-s-Bandit-Guide

If you need more clarification, join TeamSpeak and we can explain it to you.

[Surviving Man]

It is possible to kill people with weapons other than bare fists. There is a chance (if your target's blood/health is low enough that you will kill them if you hit them with melee weapons INCLUDING BRASS KNUCKLES.

Unless you are RPing with an extremely trusted individual (as in you trust them OOC and are propelling a storyline) there is no way to engage in an attack on another player without initiation that threatens lethal force.

Keep in mind that 99% of players on this server will be carrying a loaded firearm of some sort, so don't threaten somebody/or try to physically take somebody down out of the blue without bullets flying your way.

[Brad]

Multiple good answerd to the original question, if further discussion is needed feel free to post here, or jump into TS.

/solving