Considered Unfair?

[CrescentGent]

So i just wanted to run over this considering this happens more than frequently. I'm talking about the scenario of a 12 man group against a group of 3 or 4, this happened to me and my friend yesterday with The Pestilence Brotherhood and i'm not saying that this is the only group who does this. Now i'm going to to over a couple of facts of why this is unfair and in general a crappy situation.

• Force-ability - During these kinds of situations, you are more than likely to get robbed. This is unfair as you don't have a chance to keep some of your gear if your character is non-compliant, it's pretty much "Drop your stuff, put your hands up and face the wall", you have no control over what happens to you etc.
  
•  Loudness - Now this is pretty self explanatory, a hostage situation is going on meaning that the hostage takers have to speak to the hostages. During a scenario of 12 guys against 3 or 4, everyone is speaking over everyone resulting in OOC or text chat which may ruin immersion for some players.
  

Anyway that is kind of my rant and i hope some people agree with me in why this is considered 'Unfair'. Let me know what you guys think and whether i am wrong or not. Comment your opinion

[Guest Vittoria]

Why does it matter if you loose some of your gear? It's not even about gear, nor does it matter really, its a robbery.

or text chat which may ruin immersion for some players.

oh my

[Dustin]

Why does it matter if you loose some of your gear? It's not even about gear, nor does it matter really, its a robbery.

or text chat which may ruin immersion for some players.

oh my

+1

RP over Gear

And some the best RP'ers in this community are text RP'ers.

[Doc Phlox]

I have to agree with Jimrod in regards to losing gear. What else would you expect? If I get robbed, I look at it as quest to get my character a new fashion. 

However, I do agree with you OP, with respect to there being too much happening in a group that big. There can be lots of conflicting information going around, whom do you listen to if there is no set leader of the robbery? In regards to text chat, do you mean people do too much OOC//, or that they use text to talk? The former I find annoying, the latter is perfectly fine. Those people may not have a reliable mic, or not be allowed to speak because of location, time, etc.

[Deniecu]

I'm not sure what the Pestilence Brotherhood did to you, or how it all went down but me and two other people I was with got taken away by them the other day and I rather enjoyed the whole thing. It was well organized. We were all seperated and interrogated and it all climaxed with them killing off one of the people I was with due to an IC reason. Letting me go with some words of warning.

Though I can understand the frustration of not being able to do anything versus such an overwhelming force. And even if you tried you might end up in a report for not valuing your life, 3-4 vs 12 isn't exactly going to end well for the 3-4 people. Almost ever. And that lack och choice sucks quite a bit, especially if it happens frequently. That said I'm not sure how to combat it.

Regarding the loss of gear it is DayZ and losing your gear is just part of the experience, we all know what game we're playing so I've never seen a reason to get even slightly upset over that. (I am not saying that you specifically seem upset about it, just clarifying.)

If robberies follow the pattern "GIMME YO GEAR OR DIE" pattern however... That's just some pisspoor RP right there.

[Terra]

Why does it matter if you loose some of your gear? It's not even about gear, nor does it matter really, its a robbery.

or text chat which may ruin immersion for some players.

oh my

+1

RP over Gear

And some the best RP'ers in this community are text RP'ers.

Exactly this ^

[Dusty]

Get over it. It's virtual gear, this is a game in alpha, and this is a community which strives for realism. Fuck, in the real apocalypse, they'd have straight up shot you on sight, or stripped you of every single thing you have, and then ate you or left you to turn or whatever. This ain't your 'safe space', this is the apocalypse, just be happy you got RP out of it and didn't get KoS'd.

On the point of the loudness, if they are proficient in hostile RP, they will only keep the people necessary for the RP with the hostages so that the hostages can actually have RP with each other and their hostage takers.

[Hebee]

No, to everything said here.

[Brad]

The robbery aspect is tough luck, if you're concerned, build up a bigger group.  What would be unfair would be to limit what they can do based on their group size because people don't want to get robbed.

As for the loudness, that does suck.  But the VOIP system in the game is far from perfect, doesn't take much for a few voices to talk over each other.

Larger groups should take better care of assigning who will do the talking and strategize crowd control during larger group events (if possible)

[Sean]

Just to clarify, we didn't initiate because we wanted gear. We initiated because one of the individuals that was not in our group was talking about how the infection should be eradicated - something we do not agree with. We didn't initiate and had no intentions of taking any gear, and this was not the reason why we initiated. We can't help with the fact that there was a lot of us and not as many as you, but if you want to fix that, I recommend joining a group. When talking to all of the individuals that we had hostage, we prioritised the main individual that was talking about the killing of the infection, we spread out around the compound and we also text RP'd, I don't understand how it's immersion breaking though, its literally as if they were saying it.

[Prince]

Dude if you are good numbers don't matter (Wreak them M8 ). Back n the day my friends and I were always outnumbered but sill came out on top. The reason for that is we were great pvprs and had great coms (unlike cra).

If you think a 12 v 5 is unfair than spend hours practicing in arma 3 with each other until you all are a smooth single unit.

But that's just my thoughts

[Yoshi]

Sorry, but not sorry, about your gear. Shit happens, we lose our gear (and our cool), and then we go get some more. At least you lost the gear to RP and not to some glitch death that takes you away from your crew and RP scenario for an hour or more while you re-gear and try to make up a story about what happened.

Text RP doesn't ruin RP. It makes it all the more immersive, actually. I understand that excessive OOC can ruin immersion, which sucks, but not the text itself. I know, personally, just how much more thrilling <3  <3 a situation can be with emotes and short text lines.

As for the volume level: Good on them. Keeping the enemy confused and unable to coordinate effectively keeps the hostile side safe. You have to see the robbery from their perspective as well. Anyone robbing a small group has several things to worry about. (i.e. number of unseen players in the party, if any; ability to gain control of enemy comms before reinforcements can be called in; possibility for KoS and NVFL, because not all players react to a situation appropriately; etc.)

[CrescentGent]

Alright i'd agree about the gear, i guess i didn't mean it to sound like that, for me it can be fairly frustrating to even find a gun to then have it taken away from you regardless of whether you have a magazine or not. Same goes with the Text RP, i guess what i was trying to say is that the OOC can move the actual text RP up, meaning that you yourself have to ask them to type it out again ( I agree with the "The best RPers talk in text, because of Spartan or Nora IG ). Thanks guys for your opinions!

[Dew]

If you have issues with getting robbed, get a group of maybe 5 or 6 and fight if you are tired of it. Couple of the lads and I have took out many numbers with alot more bodies then we usually have, but not everyone can do what we do. I recommend you either just RP and face it and not worry about your gear, and about the text RP, I have to agree with DustinRay. I have had a lot of fun Rping with text Rpers. The reason why my friends and I usually do well in these types of situations is because we don't fear about losing our gear. If I see a large number of people I don't run, I make an effort to go RP with them. Also I may add it usually makes the people more angry and wanna initiate on you if you run from them, most time they just wanna RP.

[Dustup]

To the OP, were you at Bash at the NW airfield when this happened?  I was taken captive by the same group there yesterday and it seemed like they had quite a few hostages at the time, I saw at least one in the shed, some others outside one of the tents and myself and another in one of the tents.  I actually think they did a pretty good job considering that there were a large number of people talking at the same time.  For me at least, they started using text because they were aware of this and made the effort to minimise the potential of not being able to figure out who was talking and being talked to.

In terms of the "force-ability," that is the risk you take when you encounter a group with much larger numbers than yours and there really isn't much you can do about it other than avoid people, which would limit the RP you give and receive.  Run with a bigger group, be more strategic (e.g. lookouts, people hiding in trees with good positions on where you are, move through areas in a way to lessen the chance of you being spotted) or avoid certain areas where you are more than likely going to be robbed (mostly "the bandit Triangle) if you are worried about this happening.

[Mademoiselle]

I got robbed for zilch reason by many people but with TPB they always have a reason But I don't care it's a game afterall you can get what you lost. What do I do? Not carry a backpack and make my character wear only clothing and have one water bottle and a little bit of food. I'm contemplating to collect water bottles again so if I do get robbed the robbers will  be disappointed... I'm being 100% Serious. This was me a few months ago... Plus it will be funny to see the robbers reactions when all they have is a selection of water bottles. Maybe I'll fill some up in a pattern of unpurified/disinfected water as a consequence of them robbing me

.... I hate myself

[Guest]

I got robbed for zilch reason by many people but with TPB they always have a reason But I don't care it's a game afterall you can get what you lost. What do I do? Not carry a backpack and make my character wear only clothing and have one water bottle and a little bit of food. I'm contemplating to collect water bottles again so if I do get robbed the robbers will  be disappointed... I'm being 100% Serious. This was me a few months ago... Plus it will be funny to see the robbers reactions when all they have is a selection of water bottles. Maybe I'll fill some up in a pattern of unpurified/disinfected water as a consequence of them robbing me

.... I hate myself

ha... ha... I remember this. :'(

[Mademoiselle]

-snip-

ha... ha... I remember this. :'(

Old days

[CrescentGent]

To the OP, were you at Bash at the NW airfield when this happened?  I was taken captive by the same group there yesterday and it seemed like they had quite a few hostages at the time, I saw at least one in the shed, some others outside one of the tents and myself and another in one of the tents.  I actually think they did a pretty good job considering that there were a large number of people talking at the same time.  For me at least, they started using text because they were aware of this and made the effort to minimise the potential of not being able to figure out who was talking and being talked to.

In terms of the "force-ability," that is the risk you take when you encounter a group with much larger numbers than yours and there really isn't much you can do about it other than avoid people, which would limit the RP you give and receive.  Run with a bigger group, be more strategic (e.g. lookouts, people hiding in trees with good positions on where you are, move through areas in a way to lessen the chance of you being spotted) or avoid certain areas where you are more than likely going to be robbed (mostly "the bandit Triangle) if you are worried about this happening.

I don't know what the place was called but its a little military compound with a path leading from there to the NWAF. I too think they did a good job, but too many people talking that i had to repeat "Sorry what was that?" over and over.

[Spartan]

If I see a large number of people I don't run, I make an effort to go RP with them. Also I may add it usually makes the people more angry and wanna initiate on you if you run from them, most time they just wanna RP.

^ couldn't agree more

I agree with the "The best RPers talk in text, because of Spartan or Nora IG

awh so nice <3 

I whistle as well

[Garrett]

Its an rp server so stop worrying about your gear

[Oliv]

Honestly, It depends who you run into. I was surrounded about 3:1 by the FFL last night (approximately 9:3) and we talked our way out of it. It comes down to who it is and how you handle it. The quality of the FFL members I ran into and how friendly Enzo is, things went relatively smooth and no harm came to anyone involved.

I've been able to talk myself out of all but 1 situation, and that ended up leading to a guy being permabanned...

[Jester]

Just as in real life, If a larger groups finds a smaller group they have little chance to stop them from doing what ever they want. Also in reality if you have 13 people talking at the same time and can't focus on one voice it is also confusing.

I know it sucks and feels unfair, but that's the nature of big numbers vs little numbers.

[Empress]

Honestly, It depends who you run into. I was surrounded about 3:1 by the FFL last night (approximately 9:3) and we talked our way out of it. It comes down to who it is and how you handle it. The quality of the FFL members I ran into and how friendly Enzo is, things went relatively smooth and no harm came to anyone involved.

I've been able to talk myself out of all but 1 situation, and that ended up leading to a guy being permabanned...

It's impossible to want to kill Enzo... unless he holds back on the wine.

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In terms of larger groups I don't find much of an issue with the groups running together. I can't think of any reason why we should impose a rule of any sort to prevent this kind of complaint.

Like stated before, if you don't want to be in these situations, find a bigger group to roll with. I know that is way easier said than done but it's possible (granted I've only done it twice with 10+ groups, and one was when I lead 10 - 12 people out of GM). There are plenty of groups out there for you and your small group to send an application to, and I know many will be happy to have fresh blood in the group. 

Also I do have to take issue with the comment about Text RPers. If you pay attention and actually get into it, text RP really doesn't break immersion more than glitchy zombies. Hell the VOIP breaks more immersion than text, since it's so god awful. So when someone text RPs with you, pay attention, and get involved. Start text RPing yourself. At this point, half or more than half of the RP I do is text. My time with zoyo in The Engimas and prior has given me a great appreciation for text RP. Don't ignore them/us, you might just miss some of the best RP this server has to offer. I mean I've literally cried IRL because of a text RP session I had, and I'm not ashamed to admit this.

[Fackmos]

Nah, when you got 12 people robbing you to gear up there friend or go hoard the gear then RP>Gear is null and void because there is one reason for the robbery that may be in question. 90% people will rob you for gear and I am not talking about food and meds, im talking about "that DANK" M4/AUG/SVD ect ect. Truth Hurts.

"Ah yes comrade, I need another 5 60 round magazines"

"Da, Da."

"We go rob yes?"

"Da"