Since when are private frequencies a thing?

[AndreyQ]

Alright so bare with me. As I was reading through the forums this came up http://www.dayzrp.com/t-Frank-Ban-Appeal--75543 and as i was reading I just couldn't understand the justification behind the points. Now I am not asking for one, as it is not up to me do to such thing, however I have couple of questions regarding radio chatter.

1. What are private frequencies? I want a clear and full explanation, because as far as I know they are just a normal frequency people use. Therefore, if I were to search to the frequencies on my radio I could easily stumble across any sort of "private conversation". This makes the concept of metagaming someone's frequency absolutely null as everyone could just randomly bump onto that frequency.

2. Since when are we judging what has been said IC? I mean saying that an IC radio message is unnecessary and a "shitpost" is hilarious. Just because I want to make fun of someone IC and ask a sarcastic question IC,I will now receive points?? I just want to know where in the rules, it states that saying something unnecessary IG is point worthy? This is in your rules:

Which means that if I would go IG and ask something "unnecessary" I should receive points for that?

What makes it even funnier is that it states clear:

Yet you just gave points to someone for an "unnecessary IC post" which leads me to the final question:

3. Can someone explain what is an unnecessary IC message? I mean if I go up to someone and I state that "I like cows" is that unnecessary? If I go in someone's radio chatter thread and say "I agree with you" is that unnecessary? Who dictates whether what my character is saying is unnecessary or not?

Now I am not trying to blame staff or whatever, as it can become pretty stressful and I know that, I just can't seem to understand couple of things, because I have seen people fucking around with their radios, broadcasting while jihading into some building, even posting some dank memes and the response I was given regarding those was rule nr. 5 which is right above.

[Guest turbox9]

It seems some players are deemed ''trolls'' so it seems some staff members deal more harshly to these members than a regular user.

Which is actually strange as staff has stated that all users are treated equally when it seems obvious they're not.

[Oliv]

As for what deems a post to get points, I can not say. I don't hand out points, so it makes little difference to me to argue or guess why this happened.

As for private frequencies, you are partially correct. With the hardware in game, radio transmission are likely to be able to be picked up by anyone else with a radio.

The difference is with a private radio frequency is that you would have to be monitoring a random channel combination, at a specific time, and happen to catch something being said. Is it possible, sure is. Is it plausible, not likely. Being a radio god and "stumbling" on a frequency at the moment some one is broadcasting, all by chance, could be seen as a bit of power gaming.

End result of my opinion: possible but not plausible. It CAN happen, but not likely it COULD happen.

[KpopKilla]

I always thought if you wanted to do something like a private frequency do it on ts through chat with your other members. I don't see the point of putting it on the forums if no one can post on it or use it in game.

[AndreyQ]

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Then is it powergaming for me to sumble upon a "public" frequency, just like most of the radio chatter threads? What I am trying to get at is that they are the same thing. Public or private they have the exact same concept behind them.

[Conor]

It seems some players are deemed ''trolls'' so it seems some staff members deal more harshly to these members than a regular user.

Which is actually strange as staff has stated that all users are treated equally when it seems obvious they're not.

When someone acts like a troll, we will treat them accordingly.

[Guest]

It seems some players are deemed ''trolls'' so it seems some staff members deal more harshly to these members than a regular user.

Which is actually strange as staff has stated that all users are treated equally when it seems obvious they're not.

When someone acts like a troll, we will treat them accordingly.

But I wasn't acting like a troll or shitposting.I had their frequency and posted "Ill be there boys" to try to be threatening since our two groups don't like each other and got points and ultimately they led to my final warning being reinstated.

[Oliv]

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Then is it powergaming for me to sumble upon a "public" frequency, just like most of the radio chatter threads? What I am trying to get at is that they are the same thing. Public or private they have the exact same concept behind them.

Technically, there is no "difference".

How about we play a little game though. I'll make a radio call and a frequency you don't have. I'm going to do it once. Lets see if you can find it lol.

Both stumbling on a open and private frequency is metagamming to an extent. The difference is, on an open frequency, it is invited and usually welcomed. Also, more importantly, it seems to be forgiven.

[Guest]

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Then is it powergaming for me to sumble upon a "public" frequency, just like most of the radio chatter threads? What I am trying to get at is that they are the same thing. Public or private they have the exact same concept behind them.

Technically, there is no "difference".

How about we play a little game though. I'll make a radio call and a frequency you don't have. I'm going to do it once. Lets see if you can find it lol.

Both stumbling on a open and private frequency is metagamming to an extent. The difference is, on an open frequency, it is invited and usually welcomed. Also, more importantly, it seems to be forgiven.

I had their frequency from members in my group and from wolves themselves from when we interrogated them.

[Spartan]

I had their frequency from members in my group and from wolves themselves from when we interrogated them.

You don't. Poke me next time i'm on TS or send me a PM and I'll explain it.

[Guest]

I had their frequency from members in my group and from wolves themselves from when we interrogated them.

You don't. Poke me next time i'm on TS or send me a PM and I'll explain it.

But did you specify what private frequency it was? No. So how to my knowledge would I know?

[Oliv]

Then is it powergaming for me to sumble upon a "public" frequency, just like most of the radio chatter threads? What I am trying to get at is that they are the same thing. Public or private they have the exact same concept behind them.

Technically, there is no "difference".

How about we play a little game though. I'll make a radio call and a frequency you don't have. I'm going to do it once. Lets see if you can find it lol.

Both stumbling on a open and private frequency is metagamming to an extent. The difference is, on an open frequency, it is invited and usually welcomed. Also, more importantly, it seems to be forgiven.

I had their frequency from members in my group and from wolves themselves from when we interrogated them.

I'm not directly referring to your situation. Makes no difference to me if you posted on there or not. I'm just talking in a more general sense of all radio broadcasts.

All radio broadcasts are metagamming. Technically me responding to a radio broadcast from some one in my own group more than minutes after it happened is metagamming. I mean, what, did I have to think about what I was going to say for 2 hours? What's the chances my group member is still listening?

The difference seems to be that there are acceptable levels of metagaming that are forgivable and some that are not.

Again, I know your punishment is brought up as an example by the OP, but I'm talking in a more general sense of broadcasts.

Hell, I make it a habit to not even open up threads of private broadcasts period to avoid any chance I accidentally metagame information from it.

[Pussy]

Logically speaking, "private" frequencies are something that do not exist. You already outlined in your original question the reasons why they can not actually be a realistic thing.

However, the radio chatter thread is not really meant for that kind of realism. I think a healthy amount of "suspended belief" is needed for those radio chatter threads, as they are very unrealistic. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I think that when people try to analyse it too much like right now, then it becomes more of a troublesome thing.

I've always given people the common courtesy of not responding to "private" frequencies. Why? Because they clearly don't want people to randomly respond to the messages given. Just as you can role play out that you *stumbled across the frequency*, you can also role play that you skipped over it. I don't see why it would be an issue to just overlook those messages and respect the wishes of the OP.

[Spartan]

I had their frequency from members in my group and from wolves themselves from when we interrogated them.

You don't. Poke me next time i'm on TS or send me a PM and I'll explain it.

But did you specify what private frequency it was? No. So how to my knowledge would I know?

I won't be clutterling AndreyQ question thread. Poke or PM me if you want to discuss it and don't if you don't want to.

[Guest turbox9]

Logically speaking, "private" frequencies are something that do not exist. You already outlined in your original question the reasons why they can not actually be a realistic thing.

However, the radio chatter thread is not really meant for that kind of realism. I think a healthy amount of "suspended belief" is needed for those radio chatter threads, as they are very unrealistic. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I think that when people try to analyse it too much like right now, then it becomes more of a troublesome thing.

I've always given people the common courtesy of not responding to "private" frequencies. Why? Because they clearly don't want people to randomly respond to the messages given. Just as you can role play out that you *stumbles across the frequency*, you can also role play that you skipped over it. I don't see why it would be an issue to just overlook those messages and respect the wishes of the OP.

So we should dance around every private message? What if I have their frequency IC though, shouldn't I be able to use it? Seems like people are just too 

afraid of leaving this carebear state of mind.

[AndreyQ]

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If they want it to be private and no one to post or use any info, then why post it on the forums when you can use PMs?

I mean if you don't want people to get involved with your private stuff, why even give them the option to begin with?

Not to mention that as of right now there is nothing in the rules that does not allow me to post on private frequencies.

[Pussy]

If they want it to be private and no one to post or use any info, then why post it on the forums when you can use PMs?

Not to mention that as of right now there is nothing in the rules that does not allow me to post on private frequencies.

Why not post on the forums? What if I'm proud of the work I put into it and want to display it for everyone to see? What if I put a lot of effort into my radio chatter thread? What if I recorded a response, edited that response to sound like an actual radio, and am proud of the fact that I did that?

I mean, take into consideration the "Lore and Stories" thread. I mainly write my entries to get a better idea of who my character is, what made her the way she is, and what she would do in certain situations. But, I worked damn hard on that piece of literature and hell I want to show it off. No, the information that I wrote down can't be used, but isn't it fun to read anyway?

I don't see the issue with allowing people to have that luxury. Personally, I have more of an issue with people wanting to be nosy and needing to feel the reason to post on "private" radio chatter threads when the responses are obviously unwelcome. I also don't see how it is hard to give people the common courtesy of a "private" conversation.

[Dew]

I would say an unnecessary IC radio transmission would be nothing. I feel you shouldn't be given points for anything you say on the radio chatter because it is all strictly IC. If someone makes a private frequency post and you have that frequency what is stopping you from saying something on it? If it is someone you don't like you are entitled to say what you want to them, it would make no sense to give someone points for something they say on a radio chatter because it is all IC, as if you were playing in game holding a radio and talking through it.

[AndreyQ]

I have more of an issue with people wanting to be nosy and needing to feel the reason to post on "private" radio chatter threads when the responses are obviously unwelcome. I also don't see how it is hard to give people the common courtesy of a "private" conversation.

Here is the thing Kat. I know OOCly that the radio chatter I am looking at is private. But all my character knows is that some people are talking about sth. If my character wants to make a joke or just be like "Hello someone's there? I need some beans, I am hungry." What rule am I breaking? Same goes for saying nothing and listening and later on using that info?

Maybe my character does not want to give people the courtesy of a private conversation. It is all IC after all. I mean you should probably know IC that transmitting something over the radio is not 100% safe. You should be well aware of that risk.

[Oliv]

Seems like people are just too afraid of leaving this carebear state of mind.

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So I'm going to say something here and I need you both to understand that I'm not attacking either of you or anyone involved in this. I am saying this as my opinion on how I see this going.

Personally, at the moment, I feel like you're both going to argue this until it bends to your will. You don't seem to want an answer, you want the answer your looking for.

Many people, including myself, agree with you that realistically it makes no sense. You can not have a private radio frequency such as this with the equipment, and everything else that is in game. It can't happen.

What you could have, is a bunch of public frequencies that anyone could stumble upon.

That being said, you have also been given answers as to why staff allow there to be private frequencies. Good, solid answers. They might not be the answers you are wanting to hear and/or they may not be answers you agree with. But they are answers none the less.

For players like myself, the radio broadcasts are a great way to keep in character interactions going when real life keeps me from getting in game more than a few hours a week at best. Private, public, doesnt matter. The radio has become something I love.

Now, I'm going to say something very real here, and I'm going to come across as a dick for saying it. I don't really know either of you much in game or OOC, so there is zero hate or ill will meant by what I'm about to say....

If your argument wins, and you convince everyone that there should be no ability to have private broadcasts, what is going to happen is the radio board should just be shut down. Period. Delete the whole thing.

If we want realism on a radio board to a point where we have no private frequencies and you can stumble across any frequency, then there is no responding to a radio broadcast, oh lets say, more than 10 minutes past when it was originally sent. Who's gonna listen to silence for more than 10 minutes? not likely anyone. You're going to get bored, distracted, want to conserve your batteries, etc.

If your argument wins, I could see it killing the entire concept of the radio broadcasts section of this forum. And then I'ma be pissed.

[Cid]

It's a liberty that has always been given and we have really never had a problem with it until now, at least no one that I know has stated that there is a problem with it.

Frank is right in a way. Technically speaking anyone could really just flip through frequencies and listen for a certain amount of time and voila, they have someone's frequency. Though, if we were to follow that logic we should also make sure that all IC channels in TS aren't locked because I could technically flip through frequencies until I heard the voice of the person I'm looking for.

Does it make much sense to have private frequencies? No, but it is something that we have done for a long time and it's a liberty that we have been given pretty much since radio chatter existed. If anything, private frequencies should just be treated as "you don't have the frequency don't reply" kind of a fashion, which is a pretty happy medium in my eyes.

[HiGGi]

Why would you not want to disrupt the communication of a group that you are hostile with?

Just because you put [PRIVATE FREQUENCY] does not mean the frequency is impenetrable. There is always the chance of someone stumbling onto the frequency.

[AndreyQ]

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I don't know where you got the idea of -our argument-. I have never spoken to Frank nor Turbo as far as I remember.

All I am saying is that right now I could post in every private frequency thread without any sort of outcome. There is no rule that says I am not allowed to. Nothing. So saying that posting in one is against the rules is null as there is nothing to support that statement.

[Oliv]

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I don't know where you got the idea of -our argument-. I have never spoken to Frank nor Turbo as far as I remember.

All I am saying is that right now I could post in every private frequency thread without any sort of outcome. There is no rule that says I am not allowed to. Nothing. So saying that posting in one is against the rules is null as there is nothing to support that statement.

Never meant to make it sound like you were banded together in some sort of goal.

Make of my post as you wish, but my logic pattern could happen. Staff gives us the liberty of being able to do this. If we want to get realistic about it, just shut the things down.

[Rick]

I don't really understand the ban either. 

When the radio chatter thread was introduced, it was just a fun thing on the side for people to do. In my 8 months as staff, I only remember 1 or 2 warnings the entire time on those threads, and it was for people literally posting things like "lol omg what a nub". 

While sure, it says no metagamming, when has it ever actually been an enforced thing that people all of a sudden HAVE to have the exact frequency through in game means to respond to a radio chatter thread. Its not like there's anything like a private frequency, and you could just as easily stumble upon it. I myself have posted on a few without having any IC info on obtaining the frequency, just because I enjoyed doing it, and it was fun. Noody raised an eyebrow at me. 

Knowing staff discussions, I'm pretty confident this was only made a big deal because Frank was involved. As I always said, people shouldn't be held to higher standards because of their history. Either something is a rule break, or it isn't: the standard has to be the same. 

If people are that worried a bunch of stuff will be metagammed, then don't say it over a radio frequency on the forums to begin with. Honestly, it's just a means RP while having fun on the forums. Why its all of a sudden being metagame policed is beyond me.