Salty bun reports

[HiGGi]

I have been looking at the report section recently and was wondering about something. What is the actual reason for reports? I understand that their made if rule breaks occur IG and the OP wants to discuss it over the forms to possibly sort it out. I also understand that some people may not be able to talk it out and will need to be handed a punishment in order for their rule breaks to stop. I just don't understand why people are allowed to blatantly put up reports with the main goal to get others punished? Simply refusing to talk over team speak, counter reporting and other acts in no way help another person learn from their mistakes. These sorts of reports aren't false reports since they could possibly include rule breaks. Overall, I was just wondering are reports simply there to punish people or for people to learn from their mistakes, but people aren't willing to let it slip? 

[Guest]

Simply refusing to talk over team speak

I agree. This is the main point I don't understand.

[Guest Vittoria]

because people are salty

[Guest Neszy]

THIS THREAD AGAIN?!

because people are salty

[HiGGi]

Simply refusing to talk over team speak

I agree. This is the main point I don't understand.

As soon as I see this in a report, the person refusing to talk it out instantly looks like they're out to get the other person banned, it just doesn't make sense to me why that's allowed without a valid excuse.

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THIS THREAD AGAIN?!

because people are salty

Dino saw

Sorry bud not lore master of the question thread. 

*lights cig in chedaki*

PS : Kek at the CH army pouncing on the question thread.

[Skeetsi]

I got a feeling I've seen this kind of thread before...

:troll:

[Pussy]

This is a "Questions" thread and should be treated as such. Keep all posts relevant to the topic at hand, or they will be met with points. 

[Prince]

People like to see other people suffer for mistakes because we are all massive assholes.

+salt m8

[Skeetsi]

My bad. Shall give an answer to the question then.

Salt.

There's no other explanation. People get satisfaction when someone gets punished if they feel someone has abused them, no matter even if it would be only minor.

Must agree with you. Seen some pretty silly reports.

[Brad]

I I just don't understand why people are allowed to blatantly put up reports with the main goal to get others punished? Simply refusing to talk over team speak, counter reporting and other acts in no way help another person learn from their mistakes. These sorts of reports aren't false reports since they could possibly include rule breaks. 

A very valid point, I think we could likely be a bit more adament on asking if anyone has tried to contact the other party in TS.   A lot of reports might still go through as usual but, if even a few are closed because people were willing to discuss and learn, that's a win for everyone in my books.

[HiGGi]

People like to see other people suffer for mistakes because we are all massive assholes.

+salt m8

Then being a cunt shoud be punishable. There's nothing worse than a salty bun.

There's so much salt between people and it really affects behaviour IG a lot of the time.

I understand that people won't all get along. That's fine. However apparently this is a mature community and everyone should behave like the adults we are, but people are still being allowed to act like children when it comes to reports.

[Prince]

People like to see other people suffer for mistakes because we are all massive assholes.

+salt m8

Then being a cunt shoud be punishable. There's nothing worse than a salty bun.

[Chow]

First of all, everybody have the right to put up an report if they feel like a rule have been broken.

Reports are both for punishment for a rulebreak, and to give cooldown time to the Accused for him/her to think about what he/she did wrong, and what he/she could improve.

[Jester]

I have been looking at the report section recently and was wondering about something. What is the actual reason for reports? I understand that their made if rule breaks occur IG and the OP wants to discuss it over the forms to possibly sort it out. I also understand that some people may not be able to talk it out and will need to be handed a punishment in order for their rule breaks to stop. I just don't understand why people are allowed to blatantly put up reports with the main goal to get others punished? Simply refusing to talk over team speak, counter reporting and other acts in no way help another person learn from their mistakes. These sorts of reports aren't false reports since they could possibly include rule breaks. Overall, I was just wondering are reports simply there to punish people or for people to learn from their mistakes, but people aren't willing to let it slip? 

To put it simply the right to post a report is universal to anyone who believes a rule break has occurred.   Some people might want to talk it out, and I think that is great. But there are those who would like to see a rule-break punished as per the rules. It is the right of every member to put up a report just the same as it is the requirement of all members of dayzRP to follow the rules. 

 A report is a means to have all members of DayzRP follow the rules.     If someone breaks a rule then they can either be forgiven by the person they have committed a transgression towards or can suffer the consequences of that they have agreed to when becoming a member of the community when agreeing to the rules. 

Does that clear it up HiGGi?

[HiGGi]

First of all, everybody have the right to put up an report if they feel like a rule have been broken.

Reports are both for punishment for a rulebreak, and to give cooldown time to the Accused for him/her to think about what he/she did wrong, and what he/she could improve.

I completely agree with people being allowed to put up reports if they want to for whatever reason, i just don't agree with people being allowed to go out of their way to get others into bother, it's completely detrimental to the community as a whole which is worse than a single incident of bad RP.

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I have been looking at the report section recently and was wondering about something. What is the actual reason for reports? I understand that their made if rule breaks occur IG and the OP wants to discuss it over the forms to possibly sort it out. I also understand that some people may not be able to talk it out and will need to be handed a punishment in order for their rule breaks to stop. I just don't understand why people are allowed to blatantly put up reports with the main goal to get others punished? Simply refusing to talk over team speak, counter reporting and other acts in no way help another person learn from their mistakes. These sorts of reports aren't false reports since they could possibly include rule breaks. Overall, I was just wondering are reports simply there to punish people or for people to learn from their mistakes, but people aren't willing to let it slip? 

To put it simply the right to post a report is universal to anyone who believes a rule break has occurred.   Some people might want to talk it out, and I think that is great. But there are those who would like to see a rule-break punished as per the rules. It is the right of every member to put up a report just the same as it is the requirement of all members of dayzRP to follow the rules. 

 A report is a means to have all members of DayzRP follow the rules.     If someone breaks a rule then they can either be forgiven by the person they have committed a transgression towards or can suffer the consequences of that they have agreed to when becoming a member of the community when agreeing to the rules. 

Does that clear it up HiGGi?

Yeah, it's just my second question now that remains about people soulely going out of their way to get others punished, how is this acceptable? Sorry for no snip, on mobile.

[Surviving Man]

You kind of answered your own question, it's 'salt'. Aka vindictive behaviour and revenge tactics. If a player cannot achieve their IG 'victory' (Whether that's in PvP or RP) then they fall back to 'winning' outside of the game. They will pick apart your actions for any infractions that might net you a ban, points or a warning.

I feel it stems from the fact that since everybody is the protagonist of their own story, and we're all playing make believe it's sort of like two kids playing cops and robbers. Each party has their own idea of how they want a situation to play out and sometimes, if it doesn't go their way - they chuck a tantrum  file a report

Kid 1: I shot you!

Kid 2: Nuh-uh! 

Kid 1: Yeah I did!

Kid 2: Yeah but I have a magic shield that blocks bullets!

Kid 1: I'm going to file a report for bad RP!

That being said, there are times when a rulebreak is pretty severe, whether KOS or absolutely shithouse trollish RP (not as in unrealistic RP, but RP where people are flat out antagonizing others) and I feel that if you just talk to them in TS they will just go through the motions to avoid a punishment. So in some rare cases, I could see why you'd want to leave it with the admins.

The problem is, people exploit this to make the other party's overall experience as negative as possible.

[Cid]

Chow basically sums it up.  I don't really see this as a question as much as a discussion, but we've hammered this discussion to hell and back 5 times already, but that's really not the point here.

Everyone has a right to put up a report of they feel that there is a rulebreak, but from that point on it is up to the individual from there on out to decide whether or not they want to close it after receiving the PoV's of those involved.  Some people are a lot more understanding than others, sometimes despite understanding the case at hand is serious enough not to warrant it being closed, etc.  Sure, people get angry and to say that anger hasn't played a part in a report not being closed would be ignorant, but I'm not sure what else to really say here.

[Jester]

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To put it simply the right to post a report is universal to anyone who believes a rule break has occurred.   Some people might want to talk it out, and I think that is great. But there are those who would like to see a rule-break punished as per the rules. It is the right of every member to put up a report just the same as it is the requirement of all members of dayzRP to follow the rules. 

 A report is a means to have all members of DayzRP follow the rules.     If someone breaks a rule then they can either be forgiven by the person they have committed a transgression towards or can suffer the consequences of that they have agreed to when becoming a member of the community when agreeing to the rules. 

Does that clear it up HiGGi?

Yeah, it's just my second question now that remains about people soulely going out of their way to get others punished, how is this acceptable? Sorry for no snip, on mobile.

Well If the other party involved has committed a rule break it is the right of the first party to put up a report and see it through.    In the case of those who just attempt to get others in trouble they also see justice when trying to make up details in a report in the fourm of false report rule break.   This is all taken into account with every report.

[Chow]

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I completely agree with people being allowed to put up reports if they want to for whatever reason, i just don't agree with people being allowed to go out of their way to get others into bother, it's completely detrimental to the community as a whole which is worse than a single incident of bad RP.

GM's and Admins will have to look at the evidence and determin if the report is valid, if there are any rulebreaks or if the report is put up just because the OP is angry. When there is no evidence and the OP have no other reason other than beeing angry, the report can be deemed false.

[HiGGi]

You kind of answered your own question, it's 'salt'. Aka vindictive behaviour and revenge tactics. If a player cannot achieve their IG 'victory' (Whether that's in PvP or RP) then they fall back to 'winning' outside of the game. They will pick apart your actions for any infractions that might net you a ban, points or a warning.

I feel it stems from the fact that since everybody is the protagonist of their own story, and we're all playing make believe it's sort of like two kids playing cops and robbers. Each party has their own idea of how they want a situation to play out and sometimes, if it doesn't go their way - they chuck a tantrum  file a report

Kid 1: I shot you!

Kid 2: Nuh-uh! 

Kid 1: Yeah I did!

Kid 2: Yeah but I have a magic shield that blocks bullets!

Kid 1: I'm going to file a report for bad RP!

That being said, there are times when a rulebreak is pretty severe, whether KOS or absolutely shithouse trollish RP (not as in unrealistic RP, but RP where people are flat out antagonizing others) and I feel that if you just talk to them in TS they will just go through the motions to avoid a punishment. So in some rare cases, I could see why you'd want to leave it with the admins.

The problem is, people exploit this to make the other party's overall experience as negative as possible.

I know it's salt, I just don't understand why it's allowed to occur. Also, throwing a tantrum AKA filing a salty report shouldn't be allowed in an apparently mature community. Furthermore yeah I understand that people do often need to be punished and talking it out won't work, I mentioned that in the post lad.

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@CH Boiz, a report doesn't necessarily need to be false to be completely salty. The only report that's up right now doesn't really need to be up in my opinion and wouldn't have been put up if Conor hadn't stated that OP of the original report would have been punished if it had not been shut.

[Brad]

Yeah, it's just my second question now that remains about people soulely going out of their way to get others punished, how is this acceptable? Sorry for no snip, on mobile.

I suppose as long as we have rulebreakers, we will have people out to get others as well.  Comes with the territory.

Like I said, we can encourage the more frequent use of TS, but aside from that I guess the thing people need to remember is it's a game, not meant to be anything more than a bit of fun.  

Recommendations have always been, if you are writing a report, sit on it for a while.  Think about it.  Will everyone adhere to this?  No.  Likely not, but upping the level of encouragement to do so in the helpdesk would be a valid option for those who come seeking advice.

[Empress]

I see where the OP is coming from with this thread and I can agree to a large extent in some cases that I have seen. In many cases I've noticed reports going up where all I can see is salt and it is usually in NVFL reports. We have rules in this community for a very good reason, but there are some cases where it is pretty obvious that there is some salt involved in reports. It's usually pretty easy to tell the signs as well. Things like counter reporting are one sign. No one in this community should be putting up reports purely for the sake of getting someone banned. Yes there are occurrences where a ban absolutely has to take place for the accused to learn their lesson, but I've found that in many cases when a report goes up, a simple talking in TS can clear the slate, the accused can learn the lesson and the rules, and we don't have to be punishing people for light mistakes. I personally like to take this approach to dealing with rule breakers. Almost nothing good comes from this negative reinforcement. I find a much better solution is to try and give positive reinforcement in these cases.

Again in some cases it's very obvious a ban needs to go into effect, or that a report needs to be posted (especially if the accused has no intrest in learning their lesson before a report is posted via a TS discussion or a PM conversation).

In the end, we should be looking toward promoting the betterment of RP. In some cases a ban needs to happen, and in others it is much more powerful to forgive.

Either way, it's your right to make a report if you feel a rule break has taken place. I just wish we would resort to civil conversation instead of reporting and counter reporting every little thing.

[Surviving Man]

You kind of answered your own question, it's 'salt'. Aka vindictive behaviour and revenge tactics. If a player cannot achieve their IG 'victory' (Whether that's in PvP or RP) then they fall back to 'winning' outside of the game. They will pick apart your actions for any infractions that might net you a ban, points or a warning.

I feel it stems from the fact that since everybody is the protagonist of their own story, and we're all playing make believe it's sort of like two kids playing cops and robbers. Each party has their own idea of how they want a situation to play out and sometimes, if it doesn't go their way - they chuck a tantrum  file a report

Kid 1: I shot you!

Kid 2: Nuh-uh! 

Kid 1: Yeah I did!

Kid 2: Yeah but I have a magic shield that blocks bullets!

Kid 1: I'm going to file a report for bad RP!

That being said, there are times when a rulebreak is pretty severe, whether KOS or absolutely shithouse trollish RP (not as in unrealistic RP, but RP where people are flat out antagonizing others) and I feel that if you just talk to them in TS they will just go through the motions to avoid a punishment. So in some rare cases, I could see why you'd want to leave it with the admins.

The problem is, people exploit this to make the other party's overall experience as negative as possible.

I know it's salt, I just don't understand why it's allowed to occur. Also, throwing a tantrum AKA filing a salty report shouldn't be allowed in an apparently mature community. Furthermore yeah I understand that people do often need to be punished and talking it out won't work, I mentioned that in the post lad.

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@CH Boiz, a report doesn't necessarily need to be false to be completely salty. The only report that's up right now doesn't really need to be up in my opinion and wouldn't have been put up if Conor hadn't stated that OP of the original report would have been punished if it had not been shut.

I know, I'm with you on this - it perplexes me. I suppose my post was more 'stating the obvious' by explaining the psyche behind these sorts of reports and attitudes.

[Chow]

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@CH Boiz, a report doesn't necessarily need to be false to be completely salty. The only report that's up right now doesn't really need to be up in my opinion and wouldn't have been put up if Conor hadn't stated that OP of the original report would have been punished if it had not been shut.

We are very aware of this.

But like i said in my previous reply, every person in this community have the right to put a report up.

People get angry from time to time and act before they think.

So there will always be reports coming out as ''salty'' and there is really not much more we can do about it.

Other than encourage people to either talk it out over TS, or take a breather, and think about what he/she wants as an outcome from the report.

[Manic]

You also have to take into consideration the people who are being reported. I have seen it time and time again where they go into the report in a very heated manner. Sometimes not even taking a report seriously and giving a one sentence POV or simply belittling the OP. Granted the OP may have made the report simply for 'salty' reasons as people put it but how the accused comes into the report plays a big part as well. Even if you know that the report is put up for the soul reason that the OP is angry then approaching it with a calm and mature manner may very well lead to the OP willing to talk about it in TS and calm down enough to listen. 

'Salt' goes both ways. It is simply how you handle the situation that determines the outcome.